Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[acbytesla]

No crime scene is sterile. The whole area was covered in every day dust and chaos.

A speck on a glove (probably a photographic etch) is a complete red herring and has nothing at all to do with DNA.

Yes and no Vixen. One of the moronic rulings in this case was that the Defense must show how the contamination event occurred. Really an impossibility since DNA cannot be viewed. What the photo clearly demonstrates is Locard's principle and a latex glove not changed regularly could transfer dirt, blood or DNA from one place to another.

You still haven't answered the question: What was Raff's near full DNA profile doing on Mez' bra clasp? (Whom he claimed he had never met.)

Of course, we cannot reliably say that this is true as the test was not confirmed by a subsequent test. Repeatability is the number one principle for scientific testing and given there was also the presence of DNA from 4 other men on the hook of Meredith's bra it is highly likely that it was the result of some kind of mistake.

That ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than this highly suspect test ties Raffaele to the murder also leads one to believe that this was a forensic error. Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp? Rudy leaves a dozen incontrovertible shoe prints in Meredith's blood, his palm print etc.
Consider the following evidence.

Rudy
12 identifiable shoe prints in blood
4 identifiable DNA samples
1 identifiable palm print
2 CCTV although not very clear images of Rudy ALONE heading toward the cottage
Recorded statements not under police questioning with undue duress or possible coercion admitting that he was there and even clearly stating that Knox was not. And absolutely NOTHING about Raffaele.
Rudy arrested days before murder for a break-in possessing items from 1 maybe even 2 recent burglaries in Perugia.
Rudy in fear flees the country demonstrating a consciousness of guIlt.
Motive financial and sexual

Raffaele
1 DNA sample on bra clap that also contained DNA from 4 other males.
AND NOTHING ELSE.
0 identifiable shoe prints in blood
0 identifiable fingerprints although a visitor to the cottage so that wouldn't have been strange.
0 incriminating statements
Does not flee. No consciousness of guilt.
0 financial motive and no likely sexual motive.
0 connections to Rudy
0 e-mails
0 texts
0 phone calls

Amanda
0 DNA samples in Meredith's bedroom although since the two were roommates this would offer nothing probative.
0 identifiable shoe prints in Meredith's blood.
0 identifiable fingerprints in Meredith's bedroom although again their discovery would not prove anything.
1 potentially incriminating statement made under duress although the contents of the statement are false and have nothing that demonstrates actual knowledge of the murder. A statement so questionable that the courts itself have said on many occasions should not be used.
Did not flee ..no consciousness of guilt.
No known motive.

Now, you may always dislike Amanda because she has sex and is a little carefree for your tastes. And there may always be a thought in your mind that she was involved, but I can't see how you can honestly say there is enough evidence to convict.

 

[Bill Williams]

Now, you may always dislike Amanda because she has sex and is a little carefree for your tastes. And there may always be a thought in your mind that she was involved, but I can't see how you can honestly say there is enough evidence to convict.

Vixen is free to like or dislike who she pleases. Apparently Vixen very much dislikes people who manage a smile at soccer games, or can dance up a storm on the dance-floor. Acc. to Vixen, someone prone to panic-attacks should not be able to do that.

 

[acbytesla]

I've always been amused at the claims that Meredith did these things with Amanda because she felt she had to because she was her housemate and needed to keep things cordial.

Confirmation bias is an incredibly powerful phenomena.

Yes it is. But kisses are a bit more than cordial.

You don't spend many hours with someone your just being cordial with. You dont draw tattoos on another's skin. It would have been very easy for the two of them to go their separate ways. Meredith went to Le Chic not because it was the hottest place in town, but because Amanda worked there. Meredith and Amanda spent hours tanning together on the back patio. The went to the chocolate festival and the concert together where they me Raffaele. I really wish we had Amanda's camera where reportedly their were pictures of them there.

Neither Filomena or Laura testified to any animosity between the two. And Massei AGREED!

Yet Vixen can't or won't.

 

[acbytesla]

Vixen is free to like or dislike who she pleases. Apparently Vixen very much dislikes people who manage a smile at soccer games, or can dance up a storm on the dance-floor. Acc. to Vixen, someone prone to panic-attacks should not be able to do that.

I don't get it. I really don't get it.

 

[Mike1711]

That was an excellent post Truth. I do so much like your reply to Vixen's absurd comment about Amanda's "unwanted attentions towards Mez". I do think you should have also mentioned all those texts between Mez and Amanda ending with kisses.

Vixen dismisses this as something perfunctory but seriously, who receiving unwanted attention sends kisses to that person?

I don't believe for one second that Amanda and Mez didnt have a budding friendship. They certainly weren't enemies.

Unless "Mez" was a two faced so and so, she would not have done this. Vixen needs to take her pick. "Mez" used a term of endearment or she was two faced.

Take your pic., Vixen.

 

[Vixen]

It seems that Vixen also wants to spend time making unsourced videos, put to Rolling Stones' music. This person is obsessed!

What? Will you do us another dance if we throw you a bob?

 

[Vixen]

Yes and no Vixen. One of the moronic rulings in this case was that the Defense must show how the contamination event occurred. Really an impossibility since DNA cannot be viewed. What the photo clearly demonstrates is Locard's principle and a latex glove not changed regularly could transfer dirt, blood or DNA from one place to another.



Of course, we cannot reliably say that this is true as the test was not confirmed by a subsequent test. Repeatability is the number one principle for scientific testing and given there was also the presence of DNA from 4 other men on the hook of Meredith's bra it is highly likely that it was the result of some kind of mistake.

That ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than this highly suspect test ties Raffaele to the murder also leads one to believe that this was a forensic error. Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp? Rudy leaves a dozen incontrovertible shoe prints in Meredith's blood, his palm print etc.
Consider the following evidence.

Rudy
12 identifiable shoe prints in blood
4 identifiable DNA samples
1 identifiable palm print
2 CCTV although not very clear images of Rudy ALONE heading toward the cottage
Recorded statements not under police questioning with undue duress or possible coercion admitting that he was there and even clearly stating that Knox was not. And absolutely NOTHING about Raffaele.
Rudy arrested days before murder for a break-in possessing items from 1 maybe even 2 recent burglaries in Perugia.
Rudy in fear flees the country demonstrating a consciousness of guIlt.
Motive financial and sexual

Raffaele
1 DNA sample on bra clap that also contained DNA from 4 other males.
AND NOTHING ELSE.
0 identifiable shoe prints in blood
0 identifiable fingerprints although a visitor to the cottage so that wouldn't have been strange.
0 incriminating statements
Does not flee. No consciousness of guilt.
0 financial motive and no likely sexual motive.
0 connections to Rudy
0 e-mails
0 texts
0 phone calls

Amanda
0 DNA samples in Meredith's bedroom although since the two were roommates this would offer nothing probative.
0 identifiable shoe prints in Meredith's blood.
0 identifiable fingerprints in Meredith's bedroom although again their discovery would not prove anything.
1 potentially incriminating statement made under duress although the contents of the statement are false and have nothing that demonstrates actual knowledge of the murder. A statement so questionable that the courts itself have said on many occasions should not be used.
Did not flee ..no consciousness of guilt.
No known motive.

Now, you may always dislike Amanda because she has sex and is a little carefree for your tastes. And there may always be a thought in your mind that she was involved, but I can't see how you can honestly say there is enough evidence to convict.

Schoolboy drivel. There were several hundred people present at JFK's assassination. According to acbytesla's Law, 'they all did it', therefore.

 

[Vixen]

Unless "Mez" was a two faced so and so, she would not have done this. Vixen needs to take her pick. "Mez" used a term of endearment or she was two faced.

Take your pic., Vixen.

Amanda hated Mez as she was more popular, more cultured, taller, better-looking and more intelligent.

Having Mez spend Halloween with dozens of friends, whilst Amanda-No-Friends wandered the dark streets alone and having Mez - who shook a mean mojito - 'steal' her job was all too much for the poor reject.

 

[Vixen]

I don't get it. I really don't get it.

...The truest thing you ever wrote.

 

[bagels]

Amanda hated Mez as she was more popular, more cultured, taller, better-looking and more intelligent.

Having Mez spend Halloween with dozens of friends, whilst Amanda-No-Friends wandered the dark streets alone and having Mez - who shook a mean mojito - 'steal' her job was all too much for the poor reject.

This is just weird stuff lol. You can't see that?

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Make no mistake, big money was involved in this

Vixen,
A few questions for you related to your above comment.

1) How much money was involved, who paid, and where did this money come from? Who received the bribes, specifically?

2) Why have exactly zero professional scientists come out in support of Stefanoni's work? Like, shouldn't there be ONE forensic scientist, molecular biologist, geneticist, SOMEWHERE on the planet that says "hey the prosecution's evidence is perfectly fine." Does it trouble you that every professional has agreed with Conti and Vecchioti's analysis and no one on the planet has agreed with Stefanoni?

3) Do you have any evidence, at all, that there was *any* money involved? Could you please post the evidence? (Note: Amanda Knox being acquitted is not evidence that judges and forensic scientists were bribed just because you don't like her.)

Thanks Vixen. Looking forward to your dance routine.

 

[acbytesla]

Amanda hated Mez as she was more popular, more cultured, taller, better-looking and more intelligent. Having Mez spend Halloween with dozens of friends, whilst Amanda-No-Friends wandered the dark streets alone and having Mez - who shook a mean mojito - 'steal' her job was all too much for the poor reject.

Man, you make laugh. You have no evidence whatsoever that Amanda harbored even one hard feeling toward Mez. Not a report of even an argument between them from the other 2 roommates. No, just time together sunning, attending concerts and street festivals, eating meals and texts with kisses.

And the reasons you cite are absurd. Both of these young women were very pretty. Both are/were intelligent. Amanda had a rich boyfriend. Cultured, seriously? Do you know anything about Amanda and what she cares about? This young woman has chosen to live in a tiny dumpy apartment, doesn't own a car, bikes around Seattle and most of her clothes were bought in thrift stores.

Your argument is from ignorance based on wild speculation and innuendo. Park for the course Vixen.

 

[acbytesla]

Schoolboy drivel. There were several hundred people present at JFK's assassination. According to acbytesla's Law, 'they all did it', therefore.

Wow!!! That's your reply? Seriously?

What your saying is you don't care about the evidence or the lack of it because you made up your mind.

You would make an excellent Trump supporter.

 

[Mike1711]

Amanda hated Mez as she was more popular, more cultured, taller, better-looking and more intelligent.

Having Mez spend Halloween with dozens of friends, whilst Amanda-No-Friends wandered the dark streets alone and having Mez - who shook a mean mojito - 'steal' her job was all too much for the poor reject.

You made all of this up. So what's new?

 

[Vixen]

Vixen,
A few questions for you related to your above comment.

1) How much money was involved, who paid, and where did this money come from? Who received the bribes, specifically?

2) Why have exactly zero professional scientists come out in support of Stefanoni's work? Like, shouldn't there be ONE forensic scientist, molecular biologist, geneticist, SOMEWHERE on the planet that says "hey the prosecution's evidence is perfectly fine." Does it trouble you that every professional has agreed with Conti and Vecchioti's analysis and no one on the planet has agreed with Stefanoni?

3) Do you have any evidence, at all, that there was *any* money involved? Could you please post the evidence? (Note: Amanda Knox being acquitted is not evidence that judges and forensic scientists were bribed just because you don't like her.)

Thanks Vixen. Looking forward to your dance routine.

I was referring to all the big corporations who had a vested interest in the case: HarperCollins, Simon and Schuster (publishing MNC giants), all the US tv channels, Rolling Stone, Donald Trump, Richard Branson, etc., etc. Money talks, it don't sing or dance and it don't walk, as Neil Diamond once put it.

Marasca & Bruno had their political hats on that day. However, they made it clear the pair did it.

 

[Vixen]

Man, you make laugh. You have no evidence whatsoever that Amanda harbored even one hard feeling toward Mez. Not a report of even an argument between them from the other 2 roommates. No, just time together sunning, attending concerts and street festivals, eating meals and texts with kisses.

And the reasons you cite are absurd. Both of these young women were very pretty. Both are/were intelligent. Amanda had a rich boyfriend. Cultured, seriously? Do you know anything about Amanda and what she cares about? This young woman has chosen to live in a tiny dumpy apartment, doesn't own a car, bikes around Seattle and most of her clothes were bought in thrift stores.

Your argument is from ignorance based on wild speculation and innuendo. Park for the course Vixen.

Nonsense. Raff was just another one-night stand, that went on for five days. She wasn't even faithful to him.

Why did Amanda tear out the pages of her diary relating to 31 Oct?

The 'bag lady' personna is no doubt a cynical attempt to wring out extra compo for all her suffering. She has never shown one iota of regret or remorse, nor ever shed one little bitty tear for her 'friend'.

 

[TruthCalls]

Wow!!! That's your reply? Seriously?

What your saying is you don't care about the evidence or the lack of it because you made up your mind.

You would make an excellent Trump supporter.

No, what it says is Vixen knows you are correct and that she can't counter anything you said.

Still trying to figure out the whole JFK assassination analogy. I mean, if several hundred people had left bloody shoe prints, a bloody palm print, DNA, were caught on CCTV setting up a rifle from a window across the street and were secretly recorded telling a friend they were at a window across the street with a rifle - but they didn't shoot JKF - then yeah, I'd think they all did it.

The only thing I can figure is Vixen believes the shoe prints, the palm print, the DNA, the CCTV footage and the admission of being there is no more evidence than the evidence left behind by the hundreds of people lining the streets waving to JFK. And since they didn't leave anything one can extrapolate that Vixen thinks all of the forensic evidence left behind by Guede that you cited equals nothing as well.

Wow is right.

 

[Vixen]

The Big Hoax

You made all of this up. So what's new?

It's the PIP and the FOA who are the biggest hoaxers. If they truly believed in the kids' innocence, why did they need to edit the rock climber video to deceive viewers into thinking the lanky skilled climber did it with 'no hands'?

There is no innocent answer to this blatant fraud. It proves they know it is a deliberate calculated falsehood that 'anyone can do it, therefore Rudy did it'.

Attached is a frame that was left out and not included in the C5 video. I wonder why it was left out? Could it be because the long tall rock climbing expert hauled himself up by the upper window bars.

As you know, those bars were not there as of the date of the murder.

How do you feel about this confidence trick, and would you agree that the producers of the video are con merchants who set out to knowingly and perversely try to trick the public, little better than the two-bit scammers who try to get you to send funds to Nigeria because one of your distant relatives died and they are holding several million pounds in trust for you, if you'd like to wire over a few £'000's, to 'release the funds'.

Let's have direct answer: is it or is it not one big con?

 

[Vixen]

Wow!!! That's your reply? Seriously?

What your saying is you don't care about the evidence or the lack of it because you made up your mind.

You would make an excellent Trump supporter.

Rudy was certainly there and was certainly an accessory to murder. It is a basic logical fallacy to move from that to, 'this means Raff and Amanda were not there'.

A ladies size 37 footprint in Mez' blood was left by the body, both Rudy and Amanda's DNA were on the bra fabric, according to defense 'expert' Vinci, Raff's solid DNA imprint was on the bra clasp, three long strands of fair - non-brunette - hair were found, one across the top of Mez' bag, one gripped in her hand in rigor mortis and another in a private place. A shard of glass from Filomena's window was nearby the body. As it is a fact the burglary happened after the murder, it was certainly left by someone who entered Filomena's room to stage the burglary scene. The same person whose DNA was mixed with Mez blood, in a trail leading into the room: Amanda Knox.

 

[Bill Williams]

It's the PIP and the FOA who are the biggest hoaxers. If they truly believed in the kids' innocence, why did they need to edit the rock climber video to deceive viewers into thinking the lanky skilled climber did it with 'no hands'?

There is no innocent answer to this blatant fraud. It proves they know it is a deliberate calculated falsehood that 'anyone can do it, therefore Rudy did it'.

Attached is a frame that was left out and not included in the C5 video. I wonder why it was left out? Could it be because the long tall rock climbing expert hauled himself up by the upper window bars.

As you know, those bars were not there as of the date of the murder.

How do you feel about this confidence trick, and would you agree that the producers of the video are con merchants who set out to knowingly and perversely try to trick the public, little better than the two-bit scammers who try to get you to send funds to Nigeria because one of your distant relatives died and they are holding several million pounds in trust for you, if you'd like to wire over a few £'000's, to 'release the funds'.

Let's have direct answer: is it or is it not one big con?

This is so tedious, Vixen. It is a strawman to claim that "FOA" or "PIP" altered a Channel 5 recreation. It is typical strawman to say the "FOA" and "PIP "know" that the clip has been altered.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsQLKWDskhA

The demonstration of the ease of the climb starts at the 5:50 mark.

This "hoax" you claim has been around the merry-go-round about a dozen times.