If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

We apparently have Kenneth Starr as a member.
"I disagree completely with the report conclusions. Now, I don't have all the facts, but..." would seem to be self debunking.
 
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He and other Truthers could at least try to become informed laymen, but even that is beyond them. They could start by reading the engineering reports, which I have shown that they haven't done. Like FF's complete ignorance of NCSTAR 1-9, and the notorious Table 5-3:

And they wonder why the world laughs at them! :dl:
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FalseFlag said:
I guess you ignore polls. That does not surprise me, considering how easily you are able to ignore facts.
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On the contrary, FF! We here at NWO Central keenly watch polls, since our pay bonuses depend on them.

We even conduct polls of our own. Most recently we conducted a poll of 1,000 randomly selected Americans:

"Do you believe that Larry Silverstein should be prosecuted for insurance fraud and conspiracy to commit mass murder?"

And the #1 answer, given by 950 responders, was:

Who's Larry Silverstein? :D
 
rwguinn said:
We apparently have Kenneth Starr as a member.
"I disagree completely with the report conclusions. Now, I don't have all the facts, but..." would seem to be self debunking.
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Is your claim that reading the NIST reports will provide me with all the facts?

Wait for it...
 
jaydeehess said:
A person told me that one destroys their credibility when committing fraud.
Characterizing the collapse of WTC 7 as taking 6 seconds is such a fraud, a lie of omission, in ignoring the very visible collapse sequence that takes between 16 and 20 seconds from start to finish.
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Who designed this graph? How many seconds are represented?

https://youtu.be/e8N6V68jotg?t=153

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm

Where did I say the total collapse was 6 seconds? If I did, you have misunderstood my statement. I have always been referring to the graph and stages which were created by NIST.
 
Redwood said:
On the contrary, FF! We here at NWO Central keenly watch polls, since our pay bonuses depend on them.

We even conduct polls of our own. Most recently we conducted a poll of 1,000 randomly selected Americans:

"Do you believe that Larry Silverstein should be prosecuted for insurance fraud and conspiracy to commit mass murder?"

And the #1 answer, given by 950 responders, was:

Who's Larry Silverstein? :D
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Please post a link to this poll, if it actually exists.
 
FF,

The new avatar is great. It so much better than the Truther ones of the towers being hit and people losing lives.
 
FalseFlag said:
Who designed this graph? How many seconds are represented?

https://youtu.be/e8N6V68jotg?t=153

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm

Where did I say the total collapse was 6 seconds? If I did, you have misunderstood my statement. I have always been referring to the graph and stages which were created by NIST.
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You're not fooling anyone:
FalseFlag said:
Where does NIST say freefall is meaningless?

It's also worth noting that the 2.25 seconds of freefall is almost half the time of the total collapse (when compared to their arbitrary start and end times). I guess that is also meaningless, too. Right?
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FalseFlag said:
The arbitrary time that NIST used is 5.3 seconds long. Please show me where NIST uses a collapse time of 18 seconds.
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Given that NIST clearly specified that that was the time from the façade starting to move to the moment it disappeared from view, misrepresenting the 8 stories near-g acceleration period as "almost half the time of the total collapse" according to NIST, would be a deliberate lie if you were aware of NIST's actual collapse time estimation by that time, but it's obvious you weren't (the last quote proves it quite conclusively). That you haven't admitted being wrong about it doesn't speak well about your credibility.
 
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You're not fooling anyone:
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Given that NIST clearly specified that that was the time from the façade starting to move to the moment it disappeared from view, misrepresenting the 8 stories near-g acceleration period as "almost half the time of the total collapse" according to NIST, would be a deliberate lie if you were aware of NIST's actual collapse time estimation by that time, but it's obvious you weren't (the last quote proves it quite conclusively). That you haven't admitted being wrong about it doesn't speak well about your credibility.
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Oh no FF caught lying yet again.

The lurkers must be in hysterics about now.
 
Spanx said:
FF,

The new avatar is great. It so much better than the Truther ones of the towers being hit and people losing lives.
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Thanks. I know the new avatar is pretty awesome. It seems disrespectful to use an avatar showing people being murdered. Of course, it's not nearly as bad as committing and supporting fraud to delay, hinder, thwart, suppress, or otherwise undermine an actual investigation into their murder. Now, who would actually be such a hardcore ******* to take part in the latter?
 
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FalseFlag said:
Thanks. I know the new avatar is pretty awesome. It seems disrespectful to use an avatar showing people being murdered. Of course, it's not nearly as bad as committing and supporting fraud to delay, hinder, thwart, suppress, or otherwise undermine an actual investigation into their murder. Now, who would actually be such a hardcore ******* to take part in the latter?
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How about you give us a list, just who exactly are you accusing of mass murder? Make sure not to leave anyone out.
 
FalseFlag said:
Of course, it's not nearly as bad as committing and supporting fraud to delay, hinder, thwart, suppress, or otherwise undermine an actual investigation into their murder. Now, who would actually be such a hardcore ******* to take part in the latter?
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Me.

Because "a hardcore a**h***", who demands competent arguments, is the very definition of "a competent engineer".

Because "a hardcore a**h***", who ignores incompetent amateurs, is the very definition of "a competent engineer".

Because "a hardcore a**h***", who respects & defends competent work done by other competent people, is the very definition of "a competent engineer".

Because "a hardcore a**h***", who would never consider tossing aside the competent work done by competent people, purely on the basis of the delusions of clueless morons, is the very definition of "a competent engineer".

So, it tickles me pink to know that you consider me to be "a hardcore a**h***".

Like generations of competent engineers before me (& the ones that will follow), I've worked hard to earn that title.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
Why the dropping jaw? Tony Sz has repeatedly accused all of us of being, in effect, accessories after the fact to mass murder, so why would it be surprising that FF is obediently parroting the same accusations?

Dave
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What's surprising, is if we were mass murders, Why Cole, FF, Tony, and the rest of the truthers are still above ground, why are they not disappearing, instead of making fools out of themselves on the internet?

Personally I say let them speak so future generations will know by their own words how Bat-S
Looney they are.
It is also at times great comedy especially when they realize how dumb something they have said is, and try to weasel out of it.
 
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It is also at times great comedy especially when they realize how dumb something they have said is, and try to weasel out of it.
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Tony Sz doesn't seem able to do that. It's strange, he seems to have a related cognitive defect to the one FalseFlag exhibits; FalseFlag equates "Expert" with "Somebody who agrees with me," and in a similar way Tony equates "Lie" with "Somebody disagreeing with me." I can't think of any other explanation for the way he responds. I've actually raised examples with him, in the form of "You said X, X was untrue, Y was true, and you knew Y was true," and he's even admitted to knowing Y was true, yet continues to claim that I haven't substantiated my claim that he was lying, then accuses me of being a liar because I don't share his opinions. It's logically unfathomable.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Tony Sz doesn't seem able to do that. It's strange, he seems to have a related cognitive defect to the one FalseFlag exhibits; FalseFlag equates "Expert" with "Somebody who agrees with me," and in a similar way Tony equates "Lie" with "Somebody disagreeing with me." I can't think of any other explanation for the way he responds. I've actually raised examples with him, in the form of "You said X, X was untrue, Y was true, and you knew Y was true," and he's even admitted to knowing Y was true, yet continues to claim that I haven't substantiated my claim that he was lying, then accuses me of being a liar because I don't share his opinions. It's logically unfathomable.

Dave
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Your describing a true narcissistically motivated personality, Anyone against them is the enemy, has to be lying. A lot of the truthers including Dylan Avery, and Steven Jones showed that tendency.

Like when I pointed out to Jones that testing for Aluminothermic reactions using an oxygenated furnace was not an accurate test, a better test would be to recreate the environment in which the reaction took place.
Where you would have multi stages or reduction and combustion, he didn't want to listen,
so I set the experiments up myself with a completely different result from his.
Cole's sulfidication experiments are the same garbage, as are most of his other experiments only idiots would care about them.
Recreate the environmental conditions, and you will often find clues to why and how things like sulfidication occurred.
Fail to recreate the conditions and the experiment is doomed to failure.
 
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