I found the missing Jolt.

[jaydeehess]

BTW FF, I am not sure its against forums rules to call non-members names.

 

[Axxman300]

What are the characteristics of CD? Please tell us.

Months of preparation.

Jackhammers to clear concrete to access key supports to attach cutting charges.

Steal cut by blow torch to weaken the structure, and to ensure it falls in the desired direction.

LOUD EXPLOSIONS IN SEQUENCE.

None of which happened at the WTC.

 

[FalseFlag]

Months of preparation.

True. Only a real investigation will tell us how they demolished WTC1, 2, and 7.

Jackhammers to clear concrete to access key supports to attach cutting charges.

Assumption. All buildings are not alike. Only a real investigation will tell us how they demolished WTC1, 2, and 7.

Steal cut by blow torch to weaken the structure, and to ensure it falls in the desired direction.

Assumption. Only a real investigation will tell us how they demolished WTC1, 2, and 7.

LOUD EXPLOSIONS IN SEQUENCE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9lxqnz6c_A

None of which happened at the WTC.

None? I think the firefighters who were there (two blocks away) disagree with you.

 

[Dave Rogers]

BTW FF, I am not sure its against forums rules to call non-members names.

Well, let's try it. David Ray Griffin is not a forum member. He is, however, a ********, an ********** and a *********** ************, and is well-known to be a ****** ********** who *********** his ************** with a melon.

The auto-censor may take one or two of those words out, but I'm sure the mods will be OK with the rest of it.

Dave

 

[FalseFlag]

Well, let's try it. David Ray Griffin is not a forum member. He is, however, a ********, an ********** and a *********** ************, and is well-known to be a ****** ********** who *********** his ************** with a melon.

The auto-censor may take one or two of those words out, but I'm sure the mods will be OK with the rest of it.

Dave

Why the hostility? Does the truth hurt that much?

 

[Axxman300]

Why would CD be used at all?

Why wasn't crashing hijacked jets into buildings enough?

If it was CD, why hijack the planes? (Face it, the idea that someone could wire a skyscraper to collapse is far more frightening because nobody saw anything. or heard anything, nor found any evidence in the wreckage).

If CD was used, why hide it? Why not "frame" Al Qaeda, and use them as an excuse for an extra paragraph or two in the USA Patriot Act?

Why WTC7? (I've asked this one several times and not one of the Troofers will answer).

I don't expect an answer from Tony, FF, or Yankee , but hey...I'm just asking questions

 

[Axxman300]

Assumption. All buildings are not alike. Only a real investigation will tell us how they demolished WTC1, 2, and 7.

If they had concrete floors then jackhammers would have been used for CD.

None? I think the firefighters who were there (two blocks away) disagree with you.

I doubt it, I have met and talked to several FDNY firefighters who were there that day. Not only do any of them think it was CD, they don't know any colleagues who do either.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

WTC 7 had 15 core columns IIRC... 3 rows of 5....there were several to the east of the core..and to the west... total 9... the remaining were the moment frame at the perimeter.

No, it was 24 core columns with three rows of eight columns each. If you had the NIST WTC 7 report or a set of drawings you could look it up. Don't you have the report and/or a set of the released drawings?

There were 58 perimeter columns.

 

[Axxman300]

Why the hostility? Does the truth hurt that much?

The man is a delusional religious zealot. He wouldn't know truth if he sat on it.

 

[jaydeehess]

No, it was 24 core columns with three rows of eight columns each. If you had the NIST WTC 7 report or a set of drawings you could look it up. Don't you have the report and/or a set of the released drawings?

There were 58 perimeter columns.

So in round numbers, being somewhat parsimonious, thats 's upwards of 500 explosives charges that just were not all that loud.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Oh, and neither you nor Tony have explained WHY CD was necessary in the first place, and neither of you have given a reason why WTC7 was blown up at all.

When a murder occurs do detectives refuse to arrest a guilty person if they don't know their motive?

I find it incredible that because one is unsure of motive they claim the whole thing couldn't have happened, even though it is plain as day in front of them.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

So in round numbers, being somewhat parsimonious, thats 's upwards of 500 explosives charges that just were not all that loud.

It sounds like you have no argument against the point that the dynamics of the collapse of WTC 7 show it had to be controlled demolition.

I find it interesting that you didn't even know how many core columns were in WTC 7 when you first said it would be 15 columns x 8 stories above (after JsanderO showed he didn't know either). It is somewhat telling.

 

[beachnut]

When a murder occurs do detectives refuse to arrest a guilty person if they don't know their motive?

I find it incredible that because one is unsure of motive they claim the whole thing couldn't have happened even though it is plain as day in front of them.

Fire did it. Need a clue?
In your fantasy of CD, who did it? Where is your evidence?

Go ahead, claim we are paid agents of? Of who? Where did we get the silent explosives?

You have no evidence for CD, never will. Now what is next; you failed to save the world from the bad guys you can't name, now what?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Maybe the next thing he'll catch on to is that, since the Twin Towers fell at significantly less than 1G, that implies that their cores hadn't previously collapsed over a significant number of storeys leaving only the perimeter walls to resist collapse, and that therefore it's impossible that a series of charges was destroying the core on a floor-by-floor basis the way he claims. I would estimate he'll figure that one out round about 2031.

Dave

The Twin Towers did not have eight stories of core columns removed at once. Resistance depends on slenderness. You are talking apples and oranges. I also wouldn't call the 64% of g descent acceleration of the North Tower, significantly less than g.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Fire did it. Need a clue?
In your fantasy of CD, who did it? Where is your evidence?

Go ahead, claim we are paid agents of? Of who? Where did we get the silent explosives?

You have no evidence for CD, never will. Now what is next; you failed to save the world from the bad guys you can't name, now what?

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[beachnut]

The Twin Towers did not have eight stories of core columns removed at once. You are talking apples and oranges.

TFK can't even explain the east side exterior of WTC 7 not deforming when he believes the interior had already come down.

Now you claim the interior of 7 WTC did not fail, and you ignore the penthouse falling into 7 WTC. Where do you get the silent explosives for the CD fantasy?

Upset you have no evidence, so you have to use some gutter talk.

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[Axxman300]

When a murder occurs do detectives refuse to arrest a guilty person if they don't know their motive?

I find it incredible that because one is unsure of motive they claim the whole thing couldn't have happened, even though it is plain as day in front of them.

Yet it is not plain at all.

Why blow up a building that nobody cared about?

How is destroying an EMPTY building an act of terror?

Motive is everything, Al Qaeda had it. 9-11 was just a follow-up strike. If they wired WTC7 with charges, why would the Feds, NYPD, FDNY, and NY State Investigators hide the evidence or ignore it? Especially since CD would suggest a huge gap in the WTC security post 1993.

Why haven't we seen another high-rise building wired and brought down since 9-11? They're clearly in possession of explosive material that is undetectable, completely silent, and leaves zero residue. Logic dictates that they would have staged a new attack by now...yet they have not.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Why would CD be used at all?

Why wasn't crashing hijacked jets into buildings enough?

If it was CD, why hijack the planes? (Face it, the idea that someone could wire a skyscraper to collapse is far more frightening because nobody saw anything. or heard anything, nor found any evidence in the wreckage).

If CD was used, why hide it? Why not "frame" Al Qaeda, and use them as an excuse for an extra paragraph or two in the USA Patriot Act?

Why WTC7? (I've asked this one several times and not one of the Troofers will answer).

I don't expect an answer from Tony, FF, or Yankee , but hey...I'm just asking questions

The aircraft impacts were used as causal ruses to blame outsiders. The act of planting charges would at the very least necessitate insider complicity of some sort. Blaming it on the airplanes headed off any investigation into who planted charges to satisfy the public.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Yet it is not plain at all.

Why blow up a building that nobody cared about?

How is destroying an EMPTY building an act of terror?

Motive is everything, Al Qaeda had it. 9-11 was just a follow-up strike. If they wired WTC7 with charges, why would the Feds, NYPD, FDNY, and NY State Investigators hide the evidence or ignore it? Especially since CD would suggest a huge gap in the WTC security post 1993.

Why haven't we seen another high-rise building wired and brought down since 9-11? They're clearly in possession of explosive material that is undetectable, completely silent, and leaves zero residue. Logic dictates that they would have staged a new attack by now...yet they have not.

Any good prosecutor will tell you that knowing someone's motive is not necessary to prove they committed a certain act.

You seem to be using your lack of knowing what the motives were to try and convince yourself that the evidence for controlled demolition can't be, even though it is very significant.

How could Al-Qaeda wire WTC 7 or the Twin Towers for that matter? Those who did it used the airplanes to blame Al-Qaeda for the twin towers and the public bought it. With WTC 7 they only have fires and taking that shortcut has been causing them problems in trying to deflect from the insider angle. Larry Silverstein has even taken to saying the 360 foot tall North Tower antenna hit WTC 7, even though all videos of its fall clearly show it falling to the southeast, in the opposite direction of WTC 7.

 

[MicahJava]

Larry Silverstein has even taken to saying the 360 foot tall North Tower antenna hit WTC 7, even though all videos of its fall clearly show it falling to the southeast, in the opposite direction of WTC 7.

I wonder if he says that because of the non-existent vertical "gash" that some people say the photographs show on the south face of WTC 7. Simply zooming in on the clearest photographs show that there was no "gash", you can tell by the way the perimeter web shows straight lines that it's probably just cladding that got smashed off.