God's purpose

JayUtah said:
This is why I take a few steps back and laugh heartily at a poster who simply wants to define god's purpose as whatever his personal religion teaches, ignore all the other pertinent religions (or non-religion), and mock other posters for not seeing how straightforward the question and answer are.
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JayUtah said:
No.....

You seem to resort to mockery every time you are asked to explain yourself. I do not respond to such puerility.
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Indeed, not the least of which reasons would be the untoward use of Dante's poetry as if it were somehow doctrine. I did offer the wisdom of the Malleus malificarum, another of the Catholic church's great pearls of wisdom.
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Say, now that we have clarified the whole Malleus lie, did we ever get a response on the Dante poem lie?

Or was that another victim of "selective editing" too?
 
16.5 said:
Say, now that we have clarified the whole Malleus lie
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What clarification would that be? You refused to address my discussion of its authorship, and you have now escalated your rhetoric.

One might conclude that you are trying to bait an emotional response as a distraction from your inability to address your critics.
 
JayUtah said:
What clarification would that be? You refused to address my discussion of its authorship, and you have now escalated your rhetoric.

One might conclude that you are trying to bait an emotional response as a distraction from your inability to address your critics.
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There is literally nothing to discuss:

This: I did offer the wisdom of the Malleus malificarum, another of the Catholic church's great pearls of wisdom. Is false.

This: Indeed, not the least of which reasons would be the untoward use of Dante's poetry as if it were somehow doctrine. is false.

end of story.
 
16.5 said:
There is literally nothing to discuss
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Not if you refuse to read and respond to what your critics write. Again, your assiduous avoidance of any weighty dispute and your predilection for badgering your critics with gotcha!-level reasoning has convinced me there is little productive purpose to be gained in engaging you.

When you are ready to open your eyes and unstop your fingers from your ears, you will find the issues you have identified have been addressed previously in posts by me.
 
JayUtah said:
This seems to say there's no condition I can satisfy to obligate god to reward me. He will grant or withhold it on a whim. In RogueKitten's case he seems to have withheld it. That doesn't sound like a very noble or just purpose to me. That sounds like a churlish tyrant, acting on a whim.
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You'll only accept a God who reveals himself to you as you see fit, while also giving the gifts you want? Is this how you'd also treat your family? Wife? Children? I say probably not, yet this is how you will deal with the creator of your life.

In RogueKittens life, she has also expressed her supreme dissatisfaction with God because of how her life turned out, even though because of all this pain she now doesn't believe in God. Yet she gives him zero credit for the good things he has given her.

Fact is folks all Christians have gone through some sort of pain in life. Not just Christians but every human being will go through terrible times of pain throughout life. He specifically said we would have pain, he specifically said the rain falls on the just and the unjust.


Is accepting the pain of life acceptable in turn for eternal life?
 
JayUtah said:
That god is reputed to be omnipotent. Why didn't he just grant people everlasting life (whatever that is) rather than author all of this pain and suffering? He's either not omnipotent, or he's a jerk.
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Because he wanted to separate the people who were truly worthy of him.
 
JayUtah said:
*ahem* RogueKitten. She poured her heart out regarding her personal suffering and you've been strangely silent about that. When does she get to transcend her suffering? How exactly does her plight figure into your belief of god's plan?
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You think we as Christians don't know people who have suffered much more than her? And they continue to trust in him.
 
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You think we as Christians don't know people who have suffered much more than her? And they continue to trust in him.
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My post was directed specifically at 16.5 as part of a larger line of questioning, but now as you've seen fit to answer that question I wonder why you didn't answer it.

I know many Christians. But the ones I find most uncharitable and most unsympathetic are the ones who rely only on platitudes and never really address the specific issues, specific people, or specific questions. I find that the more a Christian is willing to actually deeply involve himself in the plight of others, the more he seems to resemble what I've always thought a Christian should look like.
 
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Thor 2 said:
Something to ponder. What was God's purpose for creating the world, universe, and man?
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Why would it be necessarily the case that who or what we consider to be "God" now, even created the universe?

Consider the job description for someone filling the role of God.

Where does it fit into that description, "created the universe"?
 
16.5 said:
Say, lets take a look at some other views: St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church. Here is a pretty good summary of his commentary from Summa Theologia:

Thomas identified the goal of human existence as union and eternal fellowship with God. This goal is achieved through the beatific vision, in which a person experiences perfect, unending happiness by seeing the essence of God. The vision occurs after death as a gift from God to those who in life experienced salvation and redemption through Christ.
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You're talking about a person that experiences true joy in life in-spite of major suffering because they have a relationship with God.
 
JayUtah said:
My post was directed specifically at 16.5 as part of a larger line of questioning, but now as you've seen fit to answer that question I wonder why you didn't answer it.

I know many Christians. But the ones I find most uncharitable and most unsympathetic are the ones who rely only on platitudes and never really address the specific issues, specific people, or specific questions.
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Which would those be?
I find that the more a Christian is willing to actually deeply involve himself in the plight of others, the more he seems to resemble what I've always thought a Christian should look like.
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Agreed, I saw it during a missionary journey. I saw it when one of our church ladies headed up an ongoing effort at the local homeless shelter. I see it every time someone has a baby or major sickness that folks get together and provide meals.
Is that what you mean?
 
JayUtah said:
No, you've simply recited a bunch of empty platitudes and ignored any and all attempts to elicit from you anything beyond a mindless regurgitation. You display no knowledge, no wisdom, no charity, and no conscience. Why have you thought you were qualified in any way to referee this thread?
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MikeG said:
I am sure we are all so grateful that you deemed us worthy of your insight and wisdom.

Have you ever reflected on anything that any of us have said to you? No, I thought not.
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You guys seem to be really hostile, 16.5 has spent a lot of time taking your insults and now you whine that he isn't here taking and answering your questions the way you like?
 
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