Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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pgwenthold said:
It makes no sense at all. But that's the GOP. There opposition to Hillary is not based on anything rational, it's based totally on a caricature of her (as it is for every democratic presidential candidate).
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well I think it is in fact that it is based on her documented untrustworthiness and the fact that she is a congenital liar, plus her sneering contempt for transparency
 
Hillary’s Crooked Defense

Even putting aside the question of criminality, we know the following: While in a position of trust, Mrs. Clinton deliberately chose to put American security at risk by setting up her home server. In so doing, she also concealed what should have been public records from the American people. In the year since she’s been found out, almost every public statement she has made in defense of her actions has been exposed as false. And she refused to cooperate with investigators.

In short, this is a woman who never tells the truth when a lie will serve her purposes equally well.

Read more:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillarys-crooked-defense-1464642536 (May 30, 2016)
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Last week, the State Department’s independent watchdog, the Office of the Inspector General, issued a report on Clinton’s email records management. The report includes information that shows that practically everything Crooked Hillary has said about her use of a private server is false.
 
The Clintons are deeply involved in charity, business and politics. I am under no illusions that isn't the case. I also don't see that as inherently evil.

What I don't believe is they are part of some upper crust who don't care about the little people. I do think Clinton will carry on like Obama, not perfect but much more effective than Sanders would be without a mass revolution and I don't see said revolution coming at this point in time, not with the right wing out there courting millions of people with the narrative the government is the problem not the rich.
 
16.5 said:
well I think it is in fact that it is based on her documented untrustworthiness and the fact that she is a congenital liar, plus her sneering contempt for transparency
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Well, thanks to the conservatards in the country, we're stuck between her and someone who makes her look like a saint by comparison. She's got nothing on that scumbag.
 
Governor Moonbeam endorses Clinton ahead of the CA race.

An Open Letter to California Democrats and Independents
On Tuesday, June 7, I have decided to cast my vote for Hillary Clinton because I believe this is the only path forward to win the presidency and stop the dangerous candidacy of Donald Trump.

I have closely watched the primaries and am deeply impressed with how well Bernie Sanders has done. He has driven home the message that the top one percent has unfairly captured way too much of America’s wealth, leaving the majority of people far behind. In 1992, I attempted a similar campaign.

For her part, Hillary Clinton has convincingly made the case that she knows how to get things done and has the tenacity and skill to advance the Democratic agenda.
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In the campaign he's referencing, he lost the primary to Bill.
 
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NoahFence said:
Well, thanks to the conservatards in the country, we're stuck between her and someone who makes her look like a saint by comparison. She's got nothing on that scumbag.
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Are you talking about Republican Conservatards or Democratic Conservatards,...I guess it doesn't really matter much the frontrunner nominees in both parties are pretty much where they are due to the Conservatards in their respective parties.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That doesn't make any sense either.
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Third Way - "...pretends sometimes to be center-left but is actually completely a creation of Wall Street--it's run by Wall Street for Wall Street with this false flag operation as if it were a center-left group. It's nothing of the sort..."

-Bill Black (an American lawyer, academic - professor economics and Law at university of Missouri, author - "The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One", and a former bank regulator.

"We should discard the techniques of 'triangulation' and 'dividing lines' with the Conservatives, which lead to the not entirely unjustified charge that we simply follow proposals from the Conservatives or the right-wing media, to minimize differences and remove lines of attack against us." - Charles Clark (British Labour Party politician most recently Home Secretary in 2004)

In the US, the Clintons are most famous for their Third way/Triangulation politics which predominantly focuses on absorbing and re-branding conservative fiscal policies while also promoting greatly watered down progressive social policies.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I agree to disagree.


BYW, Clinton's ahead in CA in another poll out today.
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If it is accurate and reliable, good for her, regardless of what it portends for the Democratic party, and more importantly, Progressivism in general.
 
Poll: Voters feel disconnected, helpless in 2016

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/news...cle_f31f9d9e-2689-11e6-98a4-9b2c77f4df8f.html

Republicans and Democrats feel a massive disconnect with their political parties and helpless about the presidential election...

The divisive primary season has fueled an overall sense of pessimism about the political process that underscores a widening chasm between political parties and the voters they claim to represent. Just 12 percent of Republicans think the GOP is very responsive to ordinary voters, while 25 percent of Democrats say the same of their party.

Among all Americans, the AP-NORC poll found that just 8 percent consider the Republican Party to be very or extremely responsive to what ordinary voters think. An additional 29 percent consider the GOP moderately responsive and 62 percent say it's only slightly or not at all responsive.

The Democratic Party fares only slightly better, with 14 percent saying the party is very or extremely responsive, 38 percent calling it moderately responsive, and 46 percent saying it's only slightly or not at all responsive...

The survey exposes an extraordinary crisis of confidence in most major political institutions just as both parties intensify efforts to connect with voters heading into the general election.

In general, only 15 percent of Americans report a great deal of confidence in the Democratic Party compared with just 8 percent who say the same of the GOP. That's as only 4 percent say they have a great deal of confidence in Congress, 15 percent in the executive branch and 24 percent in the Supreme Court...

The survey also found evidence of overwhelming interest in the presidential contest, although less than a quarter of Americans say they're excited about it.

Worse, 55 percent of Americans, including 60 percent of Republicans and 53 percent of Democrats, say they feel helpless about the 2016 election. And two-thirds of Americans under 30 report feeling helpless...
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No hope for any real improvement into the foreseeable future, I guess it's a good thing we're nominating a former Goldwater girl to take the blame for all this.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I've linked before to Bill Safire's article from 20 years ago. It's a good summary of her most egregious lies prior to 1996. He doesn't even list the dishonesty on display in this extremely cringeworthy spectacle:

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For starters, Safire's piece isn't a news article it's an opinion piece and it says so in bold font in the header. Second, he cites three instances and most primarily boil down to ethical issues.

Take the second incident Safire writes about. (It should probably be noted that Safire was a former speechwriter for Nixon/Agnew and the one who coined the phrase uttered by VP Spiro Agnew, "Nattering nabobs of negativity.") This is the so-called Travelgate incident when the Clintons fired the White House travel staff -- they were all holdovers from the Reagan-Bush era -- and replaced them with, reportedly, Clinton cronies.

There's two sides to every story, however, and the Clintons contended they were made aware there were ongoing irregularities within the White House Travel Office. The Clintons had the Travel Office audited by a reputable accounting firm, Peat Marwick, and problems were turned up. This is from a May 1993 news story in The New York Times:
A partner of the accounting firm that conducted the review, Peat Marwick, said there was evidence of possible illegalities. "The nature of the transactions raises questions," the partner said, speaking on condition of anonymity at the White House's request. "When you see lack of documentation of cash, unaccounting of petty cash -- those are not the things you want to see in any accounting environment."

...the review found eight questionable petty cash disbursements over the last 16 months that amounted to $20,000 and were not entered into office ledgers. article link
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After an independent counsel had been appointed in 1995 to investigate the incident Hillary Clinton was ordered to give a deposition. In it she denied being directly involved in the decision to fire the travel staff or ask the FBI to look into the irregularities.

The issue was not allowed to die -- the investigation continued for almost the entire two terms of Clinton's Presidency -- and in 2000 (when Hillary Clinton was now running for U.S. Senator in New York) -- a final report was issued by the independent counsel, Robert Ray. Ray said he would not seek to indict Clinton for lying under oath when she testified she had no direct role in the Travel staff episode, because he did not have sufficient evidence. Nonetheless, Ray said he was convinced she ''ultimately influenced'' the decision to fire the employees by repeatedly expressing her ''concerns'' to senior White House officials.

This really doesn't seem like much.
 
Trakar said:
I guess it's a good thing we're nominating a former Goldwater girl to take the blame for all this.
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Gotta keep pushing that meme, eh?

Snopes: Goldwater Girl
The meme... plays on that brief period of Ms. Clinton's early political interest, claiming that she both "actively campaigned" and "voted" for Goldwater, a candidate who sought to "overturn the Civil Rights Act" and "re-segregate the nation." Those statements are highly exaggerated...

Although Hillary Clinton may have been a Goldwater supporter in 1964, saying she "actively campaigned" for him implies a more substantive role than the one she actually played. She was a mere 16-year-old who wasn't a member of the Goldwater campaign staff in any way, nor did she even meet the candidate...

Hillary Clinton didn't last long on that side of the political spectrum, however, reporting that "By the time I was a college junior, I had gone from being a Goldwater Girl to supporting the [1968] anti-war campaign of Eugene McCarthy."
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