Thor 2
Philosopher
Something to ponder. What was God's purpose for creating the world, universe, and man?
God's purpose
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Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
Who is this "God" you speak of?
The Greater Fool
Illuminator
His mother just called it "His special purpose."
Magrat
Mrs. Rincewind
There is no god, and therefore no purpose. We evolved, the world evolves, one day all the humans will be gone and something else will wonder what the "divine purpose" is for their lives.
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alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
Hmmm.
Pondering... pondering...
No sir, I don't see it.
Pondering... pondering...
No sir, I don't see it.
There are other questions you should ask first.
What is a god?
Does a god exist?
How does a god have powers?
Did a god create the universe?
Why would a god capable of creating a universe with hundreds of billions of stars inside each of hundreds of billions of galaxies across a distance over a hundred billion light years care about one particular species of self-important apes?
What is a god?
Does a god exist?
How does a god have powers?
Did a god create the universe?
Why would a god capable of creating a universe with hundreds of billions of stars inside each of hundreds of billions of galaxies across a distance over a hundred billion light years care about one particular species of self-important apes?
PartSkeptic
Illuminator
The only entity that truly exists is an Ultimate Intelligence. It isi neither good nor evil. It created the Universe in its mind for entertainment.
But a really good story needs heroes and villains, so God ( the good guy with the white hat) and Satan (the evil one) were also created. But they are not allowed to prove reveal themselves and can only operate "behind the scenes".
It is possible that God was thought up first, and he/she created the universe and the garden of Eden. But perfection was a flop in the entertainment field, so the snake and Satan entered the picture.
To make things really interesting, souls and spirits entered the story. The soul evolves as it goes through rebirths. The spirit is an intermediate energy form that the soul uses to interact with living organisms, and it decays and gets re-cycled.
But without science and evolution, the story again becomes tedious. Eat, drink and be merry has its limits. Atomic bombs, space travel, Big Bangs and alternate universes are much more fun.
The story has gotten very interesting lately since Satan seems to be winning. The world is over-populated, under-resourced, there is physical and moral decay. But all is not lost. God has a plan. He will cause/allow a pandemic to evolve and spread, and two-thirds of the worlds population will die out.
Religion will get a boost and mankind will try to live cooperatively together (for while at least). Religions will have to re-examine their belief systems in order to achieve such order. Those that do not may die out.
We may all be illusions, and there are no limits to the bounds of such a story, but it is all very real for us humans. Those who understand the rules, and take advantage of them get benefits. Others may have another chance in another rebirth, but some may be terminated and out of the game.
Do I get a gold star for the most creative (and logical) explanation?
Oh. I forgot. Where did the Ultimate Intelligence come from. It just is! And has always been.
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Hlafordlaes
Disorder of Kilopi
I thought it would be fun. I was wrong. When this came along, I baled on humans:
I spend my time on Beta Centauri. Turns out Alpha sucks, too.
I spend my time on Beta Centauri. Turns out Alpha sucks, too.
Plucked out of thin air, as usual. No evidence, just assertion.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
The only entity that truly exists is an Ultimate Intelligence. It isi neither good nor evil. It created the Universe in its mind for entertainment.
But a really good story needs heroes and villains, so God ( the good guy with the white hat) and Satan (the evil one) were also created. But they are not allowed to prove reveal themselves and can only operate "behind the scenes".
It is possible that God was thought up first, and he/she created the universe and the garden of Eden. But perfection was a flop in the entertainment field, so the snake and Satan entered the picture.
To make things really interesting, souls and spirits entered the story. The soul evolves as it goes through rebirths. The spirit is an intermediate energy form that the soul uses to interact with living organisms, and it decays and gets re-cycled.
But without science and evolution, the story again becomes tedious. Eat, drink and be merry has its limits. Atomic bombs, space travel, Big Bangs and alternate universes are much more fun.
The story has gotten very interesting lately since Satan seems to be winning. The world is over-populated, under-resourced, there is physical and moral decay. But all is not lost. God has a plan. He will cause/allow a pandemic to evolve and spread, and two-thirds of the worlds population will die out.
Religion will get a boost and mankind will try to live cooperatively together (for while at least). Religions will have to re-examine their belief systems in order to achieve such order. Those that do not may die out.
We may all be illusions, and there are no limits to the bounds of such a story, but it is all very real for us humans. Those who understand the rules, and take advantage of them get benefits. Others may have another chance in another rebirth, but some may be terminated and out of the game.
Do I get a gold star for the most creative (and logical) explanation?
Oh. I forgot. Where did the Ultimate Intelligence come from. It just is! And has always been.
Nope. No gold star for you. Dull and derivative, I'm afraid, plus not in the least bit logical.
However, by way of consolation, you do get to found your own cult. Plenty of needy, lost and desperate people out there who will happily sign up and swallow any amount of this kind of logic.
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Ya see, it is clever because it is a fat guy eating a sandwich at a picnic or something.
You sure showed him.
Magrat
Mrs. Rincewind
Ya see, it is clever because it is a fat guy eating a sandwich at a picnic or something.
You sure showed him.
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Thor 2
Philosopher
Oh I agree RogueKitten as I am an atheist too. The question is really directed at theists who come here.
I have never been able to get an answer that makes any sense from theists until now. I just get the old "you can't know the ways of God" response.
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Unevidenced claim.
That's why the likes of Rowling or Tolkien were successful writing fantasy. Two fantasy characters cited in that brief paragraph.
Three fantasy characters and one fantasy location cited in that paragraph.
Add two more fantasy entities and a fantasy process of reincarnation.
Of course they are. Atomic bombs, space travel, Big Bangs are real. Possibly MWH also.
But you seem to want it to end so that you reap that reward which has no evidence for it's existence from a being who prefers that you die.
But dying is not enough. The believer is required to want it, desire it as a better outcome than survival.
That raises some questions. Why are so many god-botherers so vexed by abortion? It hastens the souls journey to whichever god and the bible mandates it. Somehow the religious seem to have entirely missed this.
Of course, Mother Theresa has a lot to answer for in this regard. The loony evangelicals in the US pale into insignificance compared to how MT extracted loot from the gullible and her death houses are notorious.
Rapture, end time, tribulation, call it what you will, but you are endorsing the death cult that is christianity and you actually want it.
And your gunderscored could easily fix it if he/she/it/horse/cat actually existed, but chooses not to because he/she/it/horse/cat is just that big of a death loving idiot.
This is simply another expression of the death cult that is religion.
More death cult nonsense. Do you really desire wholesale death and slaughter that much?
The faithful get a carte blanche to swindle the unbelievers with no questions asked until everyone is dead? Nice. Apparently, we can all have that carte blanche simply by pretending to be a believer too.
Until we are all dead.
NO. You get to repeat the year. If you pray hard enough maybe Ragnarok will happen.Do I get a gold star for the most creative (and logical) explanation?
Except that it isn't and hasn't. Got evidence? Feel free. Otherwise you have infinite regress to deal with.
Thor 2
Philosopher
OK maybe I should have fleshed it out a bit in the beginning. My focus is on the Abrahamic god who is happily filling up heaven with saved souls.
Is this the reason then for original creation? So this god can surround himself with companions? Companions who can heap their praise and grovel to him for eternity?
I can't see any other purpose but then I don't know the ways of god, (just thew this in so theists don't need to respond with it).
Is this the reason then for original creation? So this god can surround himself with companions? Companions who can heap their praise and grovel to him for eternity?
I can't see any other purpose but then I don't know the ways of god, (just thew this in so theists don't need to respond with it).
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Magrat
Mrs. Rincewind
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
Who says there has to be a "purpose"? Maybe this is just how god is. Its fundamental properties are such that these things just occur because of its existence.