That's quite scary. And I've already looked at YouGov poll analysis techniques and learned that they're pretty careful about weighing their online results to reflect real-life voting.
Brexit: the referendum
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That's quite scary. And I've already looked at YouGov poll analysis techniques and learned that they're pretty careful about weighing their online results to reflect real-life voting.
The EU Commission and the UK government should be really worried about that result. It means that approx half of the electorate are likely to be actively antagonistic to the EU. That does not mean that the outer half are supportive. It will be split between those that are and those that are fearful of the results of a Brexit result. It would indicate that the present form of the EU does not have a popular mandate.
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According to a range of polls I have seen it is middle England that holds the sway. London, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are all pretty "strongly" in favour of staying.
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Lothian
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Given Boris right wing politics are we sure this is not sign he is switching camps?
Rincewind
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IMO Bojo just wants to replace Cameron, so he has to oppose him.
Brexit just happens to be convenient - it probably could have been anything.
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Well, its interesting.... but ultimately irrelevant.
The UK will NOT be leaving the EU, regardless of the outcome of this (non-binding) refferendum.
If the result is to leave, then the current - and subsequent - governments will simply fudge and delay until everybody has forgotten about it. Failing that, they will deliberately create an "exit treaty" that effectively re-binds us to EU law.
Debate all you want. Heck, you can even go and VOTE (if you are eligable), but it won't make a blind bit of difference.
The UK will NOT be leaving the EU, regardless of the outcome of this (non-binding) refferendum.
If the result is to leave, then the current - and subsequent - governments will simply fudge and delay until everybody has forgotten about it. Failing that, they will deliberately create an "exit treaty" that effectively re-binds us to EU law.
Debate all you want. Heck, you can even go and VOTE (if you are eligable), but it won't make a blind bit of difference.
I wouldn't rule that out, but given some of the unthinking shire Tories amongst my father's friends, I'd guess that it probably is what he believes. They give the impression of hankering for the 1950s.
I don't think anyone has accused BoJo of having finite ambition.
I can see how someone might be fooled by his bumbling act into thinking he's quite pleasant or harmless (neither of which I'd look for in a PM or party leader) but I'd have thought that his exposure would have made that a bit threadbare.
CapelDodger
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If the vote is to remain it's moot, but you've handed some hostages to fortune if it's to leave. Cameron's position will be untenable (which is no doubt Boris Johnson's expectation) since he'd be accused of just what you're predicting, true or not. A new Tory leader and a new government (Tory or not) would result. Gove or Johnson (or both) versus (my guess) Theresa May being the Tory options for leader.
After which, who knows. A Brexiter government might well cancel Maastricht and sort out the pieces later. They are radicals, after all.
CapelDodger
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It looks weak, doesn't it? What's their private polling telling them, I wonder?
Public polling suggests that, if they don't make it this time, the demographic imperative will bury them. So to speak.
Lothian
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Yesterday Boris said the EU had made it illegal for retailers to sell bananas in bunches of more than 2 or 3 bananas. The crowd lapped this up. How stupid are these people and how can anyone trust a word Boris says?
Wonder how many are thinking "he's got a point" whilst they are splitting bananas off from a bunch of six or more in the supermarket?
The 2011 EU directive actually states:
"The bananas must be presented in hands or clusters (parts of hands) of at least four fingers. Bananas may also be presented as single fingers.
“Clusters with not more than two missing fingers are allowed, provided that the stalk is not torn but cleanly cut, without damage to the neighbouring fingers.
"Not more than one cluster of three fingers with the same characteristics as the other fruit in the package may be present per row.
"In the producing regions, bananas may be marketed by the stem."
"The bananas must be presented in hands or clusters (parts of hands) of at least four fingers. Bananas may also be presented as single fingers.
“Clusters with not more than two missing fingers are allowed, provided that the stalk is not torn but cleanly cut, without damage to the neighbouring fingers.
"Not more than one cluster of three fingers with the same characteristics as the other fruit in the package may be present per row.
"In the producing regions, bananas may be marketed by the stem."
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So basically it says that clusters (i.e. what most people would call "bunches") should have at least four bananas, but while allowable, there are specific restrictions on two banana clusters. In other words, virtually the exact opposite of what the Wild-Haired Buffoon™ claimed.
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Rincewind
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So - he's actually run out of things to say, so he's just spouting nonsense!
So, no change there then...
So, no change there then...
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Weeeell... Cameron won't be standing for PM again ANYWAY; this referendum is his swan song.
As for a "Brexiter government"; the Conservatives, Labour, and the Liberal Democrats are ALL pro-EU, so even if the electorate "punished" the Conservatives in the next General Election (possibly an early one triggered by a vote of no confidence), then whoever gets in will - in my opinion - continue with the trick of sidelining the referendum vote with procedural trickery.