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We're going to miss Obama

Foolmewunz said:
To answer the OP title,... I think people already miss him. His approval ratings went up when the primary campaigns started heating up. I attribute it to people looking at the cavalcade of candidates and saying, "Ya know, Obam's not that bad when you put it in context."
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I don't think that's it. Obama's approval ratings always go up when he is out of the headlines for a while. I think a lot people on the fence really find him to be ok in theory, but rather arrogant and whiny in practice.
 
Argumemnon said:
You guys really should stop quoting a joke from Colbert as if it's a serious fact.
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You should really stop stressing over the topic. Really.

It's a common line. It was uttered, in character, during a parody. It is a legitimate response to the right wing cocoon constantly repeating THEIR mantra that the mainstream media news has a liberal bias.

But people can make of it what they will and the point was made that there is a general opinion from liberals and progressives that the paleo social conservatives, while they are winning Pyrrhic victories, are actually losing the overall battle. Progress is still being made regardless of what Rush and Sean and the misanthropes at Fox claim.
 
It actually is a serious fact.

-Gays are born that way
-Climate Change is human-driven
-Income inequality leads to lower quality of life for all participants in an economy.
-Humans are deeply biased and women and minorities are discriminated against requiring anti-biasing.
-Businesses do not act ethically in a free-market system
-Free healthcare makes the economy stronger and saves the government money.

Etc etc... these are facts...

When we are talking about the American conservative establishment, this is just reality. They are mostly factually wrong.
 
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Joey McGee said:
It actually is a serious fact.

-Gays are born that way
-Climate Change is human-driven
-Income inequality leads to lower quality of life for all participants in an economy.
-Humans are deeply biased and women and minorities are discriminated against requiring anti-biasing.
-Businesses do not act ethically in a free-market system
-Free healthcare makes the economy stronger and saves the government money.

Etc etc... these are facts...

When we are talking about the American conservative establishment, this is just reality. They are mostly factually wrong.
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Argumemnon said:
Yes, correcting misconceptions and falsehoods sure has nothing to do with the purpose of this forum. My bad.
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As Joey has pointed out - the current crop of vocal conservatives are pretty good at deciding on positions that contradict reality.

I'd add in that Evolution is a fact, and that when it has been sincerely written, Conservapedia articles support Joey's contention. There are left-wing nutjobs, but liberalism isn't an extreme left-wing ideology - one could argue whether it is left-wing at all.
 
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Argumemnon said:
You guys really should stop quoting a joke from Colbert as if it's a serious fact.
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It's an opinion, made in a satirical speech. It also happens to accurately describe Conservatives, as they really do ignore science and facts in preference of their own beliefs.
 
Argumemnon said:
Yes, correcting misconceptions and falsehoods sure has nothing to do with the purpose of this forum. My bad.
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You're not correcting anything. You're arguing your personal take on a topic under the guise of skepticism. It was explained to you by several people why the "joke" is a little more serious than a joke. Have you thrown out your Twain? Swift? Heller? Satire and parody often give us a jolly good laugh while making very valid points.

Sanctimony, thy name is Sea Lion.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
You're not correcting anything. You're arguing your personal take on a topic under the guise of skepticism. It was explained to you by several people why the "joke" is a little more serious than a joke.
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All the more reason to correct it if it becomes a statement of fact. Reality has no political bias at all. Me being a liberal doesn't change that.
 
Argumemnon said:
All the more reason to correct it if it becomes a statement of fact. Reality has no political bias at all. Me being a liberal doesn't change that.
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OMG. No one is saying that reality actually has political biases. The point being made is that conservatives don't like reality.
 
The problem with the phrase is that is a quintessential example of "begging the question," which is a logical fallacy. It simply does not advance the discussion. It simply dismisses the other person as wrong. Not only that, it's effectively dismissing the beliefs and arguments of almost half of the population. It's not a practical thing to do even if you are correct.
 
Myron Proudfoot said:
respected? no. feared? yes.
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I am late to respond, but I've been meaning to, and still think it is needed:

The reason, of course, that Putin is "feared" around the world is specifically because he is NOT respected. He is a loose cannon who cannot be trusted.

That surely does strike fear into others around the world, but is that really what we would want in a leader?

GWB fans apparently would say yes. I don't agree.
 
pgwenthold said:
I am late to respond, but I've been meaning to, and still think it is needed:

The reason, of course, that Putin is "feared" around the world is specifically because he is NOT respected. He is a loose cannon who cannot be trusted.

That surely does strike fear into others around the world, but is that really what we would want in a leader?

GWB fans apparently would say yes. I don't agree.
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An in some parts of the world mocked....
 
To return to some nonsense discussed earlier....


I love the conservative Americans posting that Obama has "made us a laughing stock"... all over the world. Spoken, no doubt, by people who think that Biloxi is in a distant corner of the world. They're certainly not out here in "Other than America". I watch ABC (Australia), BBC, Al Jazeeera, NHK, Fox, and local news. Not a one of them is disparaging the USA's weakness because that colored fella is a joke. Oops, I take that back - Fox is repeating that mantra. Being an election year, I force myself to listen to Fox News primetime shows and it's amazing how many talking points we hear from conservatives that come right out of Sean Hannity's mouth.
 
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