We're going to miss Obama

[jimbob]

Do you think I'm a right-wing extremist?

Rather eccentric views at the least

Say what? Of course the Federal Reserve simply creates money out of thin air. So do private banks actually, although it's a slightly different kind of money, and they may eventually have to back it up with the Federal Reserve kind of money.

It will come from where all money comes from - a few keystrokes at the Federal Reserve. You do realize that money isn't something we have to dig out of the ground, right?

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ETA: this is the idea that the way to reduce medical costs is to allow catastrophic coverage for conditions over $5k and to give every adult in the US $5k - i.e. creating an additional governmental spending of the best part of 1-trillion dollars.

 

[Dr. Keith]

ETA: this is the idea that the way to reduce medical costs is to allow catastrophic coverage for conditions over $5k and to give every adult in the US $5k - i.e. creating an additional governmental spending of the best part of 1-trillion dollars.

If you would even read your own signature you would get some grasp of how nothing else could possibly work. /s

 

[sunmaster14]

Come on man. The people doing the obstructing SAID they were going to obstruct, and then did just that.

Stop denying simple facts. Makes you look stupid.

Your evidence is one statement stripped out of context by Mitch McConnell in 2009. See here:

It's based on a comment Sen. Mitch McConnell made in an interview with the National Journal's Major Garrett on Oct. 29, 2010: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

So McConnell said it. But we think some further context is in order.

McConnell said he had been studying the history of presidents who suffered big defeats in midterm elections in Congress, but then won re-election in two years anyway. McConnell said he doesn't want Republicans to repeat the same mistakes that allowed that to happen.

"After 1994, the public had the impression we Republicans overpromised and underdelivered," McConnell said. "We suffered from some degree of hubris and acted as if the president was irrelevant and we would roll over him. By the summer of 1995, he was already on the way to being re-elected, and we were hanging on for our lives."

McConnell said Republicans need to treat the midterm elections as "the first step in retaking the government."

It was in that context that McConnell said, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

Garrett asked if that meant "endless, or at least frequent, confrontation with the president?"

Said McConnell, "If President Obama does a Clintonian backflip, if he’s willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it’s not inappropriate for us to do business with him."

In other words, in the very same interview, McConnell said that he'd be willing to work with Obama if Obama is "willing to meet us halfway." That's called compromise. And that sounds very much in the spirit of Obama's call to "seek out common ground."

I'll go with actual record, thank you very much. How many hundreds of bills have been passed by Congress and signed by Obama? How much of foreign policy did Congress try to block, other than the idiotic Iran nuclear deal? How much of his domestic policy did Congress try to block that weren't things that everybody should expect Republicans to vehemently oppose?

 

[sunmaster14]

I may or may not have been exaggerating, but let's just say that your political stances tend to be anything but moderate, to the point of denying the obvious and stated policy of the GOP.

I actually consider myself a moderate. I just don't agree with the conventional wisdom on certain issues, and those are the issues I choose to debate. So I would submit that you're suffering from both a consensus bias and an availability bias, when it comes to judging how extreme I am.

 

[sunmaster14]

Rather eccentric views at the least

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ETA: this is the idea that the way to reduce medical costs is to allow catastrophic coverage for conditions over $5k and to give every adult in the US $5k - i.e. creating an additional governmental spending of the best part of 1-trillion dollars.

So far, half a dozen people have taken issue with what I claimed about how our monetary system works (and yours by the way). And, yet, nobody has sought to explain why I am wrong. I wonder why.

Actually, I found an excellent video on Youtube. I've only watched the first 6 minutes or so, but I agree with every word up until that point:

 

[Belz...]

I actually consider myself a moderate.

Doesn't everybody?

 

[NoahFence]

Your evidence is one statement stripped out of context by Mitch McConnell in 2009. See here:



I'll go with actual record, thank you very much. How many hundreds of bills have been passed by Congress and signed by Obama? How much of foreign policy did Congress try to block, other than the idiotic Iran nuclear deal? How much of his domestic policy did Congress try to block that weren't things that everybody should expect Republicans to vehemently oppose?

In 8 years? Not a whole lot. This is widely referred to as the "Do nothing Congress" - actually setting records for fewest number of laws passed. Hundreds of bridge-naming laws does not a good record make.

 

[ZirconBlue]

Also compare how many fillibusters have occurred under Obama compared to previous presidents.

 

[sunmaster14]

Also compare how many fillibusters have occurred under Obama compared to previous presidents.

That's Harry Reid's fault. He pushed for votes on things just to force Republicans to filibuster. Previous Senate majority leaders would have worked out a compromise beforehand to make sure they had 60 votes.

 

[NoahFence]

That's Harry Reid's fault. He pushed for votes on things just to force Republicans to filibuster. Previous Senate majority leaders would have worked out a compromise beforehand to make sure they had 60 votes.

Too funny.

There IS no compromise with these creatures. None. Just stop it.

OWN it.

 

[ZirconBlue]

That's Harry Reid's fault. He pushed for votes on things just to force Republicans to filibuster. Previous Senate majority leaders would have worked out a compromise beforehand to make sure they had 60 votes.

That's a ridiculous assertion. Previously, the minority would allow many votes to come to the floor, even if they were going to vote against them, reserving the filibuster for exceptional circumstances. I will say that the Democrats did set something of a precedent by abusing the filibuster under Bush, but the GOP have taken it to absurd levels.

 

[quadraginta]

That's Harry Reid's fault. He pushed for votes on things just to force Republicans to filibuster. Previous Senate majority leaders would have worked out a compromise beforehand to make sure they had 60 votes.

Ah, yes. The ever popular Ollie Excuse™.

 

[NoahFence]

Ah, yes. The ever popular Ollie Excuse™.

Why don't these people just take ownership of their views? Total cowardice. They prevent Obama from doing anything meaningful, then bitch like little girls when we doesn't do anything.

 

[Joey McGee]

If Obama was so great, we'd want to help him, and he'd get stuff done.

Just because we live in the most polarized political times in anyone's lifetime, that just means he has failed to bring us together!

Good thing the GOP is in good shape for the coming election! We'll show them how to make things happen!

 

[thaiboxerken]

I wouldn't dare characterise conservatism based on a few right-wing extremists.

It is those like Sunmaster that control the GOP. I would say that they are the rule, rather than the exceptions. When the GOP stops electing nut-jobs, your assertion that these are not a representation of the majority of the conservatives.

 

[Homo sapiens]

It is those like Sunmaster that control the GOP. I would say that they are the rule, rather than the exceptions. When the GOP stops electing nut-jobs, your assertion that these are not a representation of the majority of the conservatives.

We will have an answer to that when we see how the actual election goes.

 

[thaiboxerken]

We will have an answer to that when we see how the actual election goes.

The elections of 2008 to 2012 don't matter?

 

[Mader Levap]

Don't worry guys! President Trump will make staunchest Democrat miss Bush!

 

[angrysoba]

Doesn't everybody?

Not Barry Goldwater who saw moderation as no virtue, and extremism as no vice.

 

[Foolmewunz]

To answer the OP title,... I think people already miss him. His approval ratings went up when the primary campaigns started heating up. I attribute it to people looking at the cavalcade of candidates and saying, "Ya know, Obam's not that bad when you put it in context."