The existence of God and the efficacy of prayer

blue triangle said:
You might hear an audible answer (the 'still, small voice'). You might see a picture in your mind, you might get a feeling, or some combination of them. You might have a dream. Something in your life might change. You may feel stuck in your job and an opportunity opens up. There are a million ways it could happen and although you might not be sure the first or second or third time it happens, with continued use of prayer your confidence in it will grow. I'm talking about how it really is for some of us now, of course, not hypothesising.
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This may have been discussed on later pages but how do you know that "small voice" is external? I talk to myself all the time and get answers. Why would you think you are talking to anything other than yourself?
 
logger said:
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Gee Slow I expected more. Funny how you think I'm threatening people with fire, I'm happy to inform you, I'm not God.
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Right, log. No one is 'god'; it requires people like you to get off on contemplating how you hope people like me suffer for all eternity for the "voice" of 'god' to be heard.

You are the one that mentioned "the fire"; no sign of any 'god' here.

logger said:
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You're delusional if you think this place is the paragon of normal people.
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I wonder, log, if you would be so kind as to list your qualifications for making psychological diagnoses, given that you are ostentatiously in thrall to a bronze-age superstition. You probably ought not to put words in my mouth, either--I challenge you to show where I said, or implied, that the forum is the "paragon of normal people". Soft on that whole "false witness thing, you seem constantly to be.

logger said:
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Lastly, I answered your completely uninformed question, you have no comment on the answer, I'm very excited to get your response. :rolleyes:
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Gee, log, is that the "completely uninformed question" about the lie you told about what "scripture" says about loving your enemies?

You're either skipping some posts, or failing to read for comprehension. Go back and look again.
 
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logger said:
Once again you're completely ignorant of why Jesus came and our need for him.

Yes he never said sometime but it is clear to Christians that no one can obey 100% of the time. It is the exact reason why we need forgiveness.

I'm being honest of my limitations. Should we yes, do we, no.

Can you possibly understand something as simple as this? Damn leftists have such a hard time with grace and law.
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So, be faithful to your wife... sometimes.
 
I Am The Scum said:
So, be faithful to your wife... sometimes.
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I vote we renamed the commandments 'The 10 things you may or may not have to do, Sometimes, If you feel like it'

Not as catchy as I know.

How hard do I have to search for gawd? I looked under my couch, Behind the computer desk and even in my garden, That bugger is more elusive than my cat.
 
logger said:
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Your little guilt trips aren't going to affect me Art, If you choose to reject the living God, its not my problem. Besides we're not dealing with normal people on here, most are very hostile and I'm not sure God himself could open their eyes, that sir is the most horrible place a human being could be.
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Shame your god is so impotent.
 
logger said:
Once again you're completely ignorant of why Jesus came and our need for him.

Yes he never said sometime but it is clear to Christians that no one can obey 100% of the time. It is the exact reason why we need forgiveness.

I'm being honest of my limitations. Should we yes, do we, no.

Can you possibly understand something as simple as this? Damn leftists have such a hard time with grace and law.
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He came to save us from the fire he had kindled.
 
It is a heavy burden we bear here having to avoid referring ill to the pathetic drivel so often spewed through these vast halls of words!!!!
 
Nay_Sayer said:
I vote we renamed the commandments 'The 10 things you may or may not have to do, Sometimes, If you feel like it'

Not as catchy as I know.

How hard do I have to search for gawd? I looked under my couch, Behind the computer desk and even in my garden, That bugger is more elusive than my cat.
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Well therein lies your problem! You need a dog!

"A pup spelled backwards is still a pup...but a dog spelled backwards...
...think about it!" -Felix Unger :)
 
Ugh! The level of discourse from such god-soaked faith-dimmed minds: a bare shoe sole's measure in swill.

Stoop this low to wallow; only the pigs will be pleased.
 
logger said:
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Your little guilt trips aren't going to affect me Art, If you choose to reject the living God, its not my problem. Besides we're not dealing with normal people on here, most are very hostile and I'm not sure God himself could open their eyes, that sir is the most horrible place a human being could be.
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If God wants me to believe, then by definition he knows exactly what would cause me to do so. I spent years looking for a reason to believe, but never found one.

Hence, I have concluded that God wants me to be an atheist.
 
Abusive parents and partners will often manufacture rules where the child or spouse cannot help but transgress against those rules. Then when they transgress, the parent or partner will punish them severely.

It sure sounds like YHWH / Jehovah /Allah are basically the same.
 
Desert Fox said:
Abusive parents and partners will often manufacture rules where the child or spouse cannot help but transgress against those rules. Then when they transgress, the parent or partner will punish them severely.

It sure sounds like YHWH / Jehovah /Allah are basically the same.
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arthwollipot said:
You've basically described the Book of Judges.
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More what many churches teach when you think it through.
 
logger said:
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I spent 6 long years chasing him and I wasn't about to give up. Now I'm blessed beyond anything I could imagine and that doesn't involve things of the world, well, maybe a few things. :)
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Did you tie a bell around his neck when you found him?

That has to be the saddest thing I've read today.
 
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blue triangle said:
Oh, I don't know. 100 or so years ago most physicists thought the universe had existed for ever. Only the Bible said it had a beginning. So science in that respect has moved closer to the Bible. In fact, if you look at the actions of God in Genesis 1 and order of creation, ending with man on the sixth day, its not too far from what modern earth science and evolutionary theory are now saying. Yes, it didn't happen in six literal days, but the Hebrew word Yom as well as meaning 'day', also means an unspecified period of time. If you don't take it too literally, it doesn't do badly at all for a creation myth,
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The Bible does not say the universe had a beginning.
 
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