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The "28 pages" thread

I can see only a few explanations for the Saudi stuff.

1. Islamic fundies in SA gave money indiscriminately to jihadi types who were into the same extreme form of Islam as they are. Fighting for the cause was considered a legitimate approach but it had to be unstated and done "under the radar". The fin support may have ended up in fundis who were involved in 9/11... This was learned after the fact and revealing this discovery reveals how incompetent our "intel" was re funding of fundis.

2. Islamic fundies wanted to trick the USA into a war in the ME taking on the states/religions which they couldn't do in a legitimate war. It was in a sense a "false flag" which the US reacted to in a completely predictable manner... trying to use 9/11 as an excuse to take out Saddam who was not kowtowing to the West on oil matters and was an apparent enemy of our BFF Israel... who also wanted Saddam gone. GWB's boys wanted at the Iraqi oil and had meetings to that effect when GWB first took office. 9/11 was used as the pretext to go for it.

Revealing the SA funding of jihadies would open a pandora's box revealing that our foreign policy was not about national security as much as controlling the ME and the oil market. It would reveal how incompetent our intel was and how disconnected it was from the stated policies... and how close GWB's oil buddies were to the apparatus of foreign policy. The patriotic "war" was a scam... and millions died and trillions were wasted. Result is chaos in ME and more terrorists. Big winner was the MIC...
 
The United States is home to the NSA. Guess who can trace electronic transactions, and guess who also doesn't follow court orders.
Yes, they can trace just about anything - if they are directed to. Do you honestly think the people behind 9/11 weren't aware of the NSA? LOL. Watch Frontline's United States of Secrets.
 
Yes, they can trace just about anything - if they are directed to. Do you honestly think the people behind 9/11 weren't aware of the NSA? LOL. Watch Frontline's United States of Secrets.

I have extensive, non-classified knowledge of the NSA. Frankly, I'm sure some folks who work there are dissapointed they're rarely included in the same conspiracy theories that the CIA is featured in.

And yes, I'm sure Al Qaeda was aware of the NSA in 2001, which is why they used curriers to pass along important information.
 
Would Saudi government sponsorship of Al-Qaeda be a real surprise, if conclusively proven true?

I for one, would not be surprised, and I personally don't understand the hysteria surrounding these pages.

What will it prove to 9/11 truth? That Bush knew some members of the Saudi Royal Family and that some members of this family may have contributed to funding the attacks?

I don't find that surprising. But if this is the case, is 9/11 truth acknowledging that the 19 hijackers existed?

What is the point here?
 
The other day, Bill Maher interviewed the New York Times' Lawrence Wright - an insightful and entertaining exchange about Saudi links to 9/11 and terrorism in general.

Perhaps the central statement, at 6:20:
Lawrence Wright said:
They [the Saudis] are not sponsoring terrorism, they are sponsoring the ideology that gives rise to it.
Saudi money - huge sums of it - is spent world-wide (mostly in muslim lands, but also the west etc) to promote Wahabbism - the fundamentalist sect native to some corner of Saudi Arabia - and this has transformed Islam in the world.
 
The Obama administration will likely soon release at least part of a 28-page secret chapter from a congressional inquiry into 9/11 that may shed light on possible Saudi connections to the attackers.

The documents, kept in a secure room in the basement of the Capitol, contain information from the joint congressional inquiry into “specific sources of foreign support for some of the Sept. 11 hijackers while they were in the United States.”


http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20160424/white-house-poised-to-release-secret-pages-from-911-inquiry
 
Some of you may have forgotten the actual topic for this thread. To assist you in focusing on the discussion at hand, I have removed some 44 posts that were distracting people and causing them to post off topic.

Now, with all that background noise gone, please return to a pleasant multiperson dialog about the "28 pages".
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jsfisher
 
Classified 9/11 data to be released

Sorry if someone has covered this already, it's been awhile since I've dropped in here. I saw today that Clapper announced that they are releasing 28 pages of classified material:

Twenty-eight pages from a congressional inquiry into the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, could be made public by June, according to the nation’s top intelligence official.

“I think that is certainly a realistic goal from where we stand with that,” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who is charged with overseeing the pages’ potential declassification, said at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast.

“We are in the position of trying to coordinate interagency position on the declassification of the 28 pages,” he added.

Release of the pages would end long-running speculation about what they contain.

Should be interesting just to see what's in them. Source
 
Clapper releasing 9/11 documents

I thought I had already started a thread for this, but it appears it didn't go through. It appears they are deciding on whether they do or do not want to release 28 pages of previously classified documentation related to the Saudi ties to 9/11.

National intelligence chief James Clapper says June is a "realistic" time frame for deciding whether to release a classified section of the 9/11 Commission Report that many observers believe could implicate some Saudi officials in the 2001 attacks.

I wonder if that would calm or enrage the truthers?
 
I thought I had already started a thread for this, but it appears it didn't go through. It appears they are deciding on whether they do or do not want to release 28 pages of previously classified documentation related to the Saudi ties to 9/11.



I wonder if that would calm or enrage the truthers?

Well, FF and Criteria still rail on that first responder statements were withheld, yet those documents were released a decade ago and,,,,,,, there's nothing in them that truther can point to and exclaim "aha!". So if these pages get released they will again rail on about how they were withheld.
 
Meanwhile, back in the real world, the DCI says that there is "unverified material" in the redacted 28 pages.

Short version here:

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/cia-director-says-unverified-material-in-secret-9-11-pages-1.407315

Longer version with video here:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...not-just-organization-it-s-phenomenon-n565546

Transcript for today's show here, scroll down to the bottom, or enjoy the Ted Cruz comedy show:

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/meet-the-press-24-7/meet-press-may-1-2016-n565516
 
Bob says you have to speak English to be smart as the terrorists were ...?

and you have to have help, because?
SEN. BOB GRAHAM:

Chuck, to me, the most important unanswered question of 9/11 is did these 19 people conduct this very sophisticated plot alone, or were they supported? I think it's implausible to think that people who couldn't speak English, had never been in the United States before, as a group were not well-educated could have done that. So who was the most likely entity to have provided them that support? And I think all the evidence points to Saudi Arabia. We know that Saudi Arabia started Al Qaeda. It was a creation of Saudi-- of Saudi Arabia.. http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/meet-the-press-24-7/meet-press-may-1-2016-n565516

What very sophisticated plot?
1. Take planes
2. Crash planes

Bob Graham thinks flying poorly, and murder require help from smart people? or What? Selling books... Since Bob was head of the senate committee on Intel, is he part of the problem for failure of the FBI and CIA and Intel to work together; publicity?

Wait Bob, it takes a PhD to buy an airline ticket?
Wait Bob, it takes a PhD to rush the cockpit and cut pilot throats?
Wait Bob, people who don't speak English can't murder people and crash planes... ?

Bob has to be selling books, again. Publicity...
 
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You expect truthers to have a point?

A clearly defined point???

:boggled:

No, my bad. :boxedin:

If we think about it, isn't this 9/11 truth acknowledging the existence of the 19 hijackers?

Where does CD stand now that the hijackings were authentic? What do those who believe in no-planes or no hijackers have to say on this?
 
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I tried promoting the White House petition on another forum populated by so-called "truthers" and got absolutely no response at all - even from the one guy who has been banging on about the 28 pages for over a year!

I just posted the current petition for him on another site. He's on about this new one again, much the same as the last time.

He's up to his usual BS, and I'm beginning to think he may commit suicide by mod soon, as the meltdown is becoming quite entertaining.
 
and you have to have help, because?


What very sophisticated plot?
1. Take planes
2. Crash planes

Bob Graham thinks flying poorly, and murder require help from smart people? or What? Selling books... Since Bob was head of the senate committee on Intel, is he part of the problem for failure of the FBI and CIA and Intel to work together; publicity?

Wait Bob, it takes a PhD to buy an airline ticket?
Wait Bob, it takes a PhD to rush the cockpit and cut pilot throats?
Wait Bob, people who don't speak English can't murder people and crash planes... ?

Bob has to be selling books, again. Publicity...


...and that's how we ended up in Iraq, that kind of thinking. A obscure branch of 9-11 Trutherism made dangerous because Uncle Bob has actual power to make laws. Uncle Dick and Uncle Donald held the same ideas, in spite of the mountains of evidence that 9-11 was Al Qaeda. KSM was even rubbing it in our face before we water-boarded him.

More to the point, bin Laden was a millionaire, so whatever money came out of Saudi Arabia was supplemental. I'd love to see their books and compare how much money came out of San Diego, Michigan, and New York mosques with the Saudi contributions.
 
I for one, would not be surprised, and I personally don't understand the hysteria surrounding these pages.

What will it prove to 9/11 truth? That Bush knew some members of the Saudi Royal Family and that some members of this family may have contributed to funding the attacks?

I don't find that surprising. But if this is the case, is 9/11 truth acknowledging that the 19 hijackers existed?
What is the point here?

This is exactly the case. And they don't realize it. Which goes to the core of CTism: they do not think about evidence and how it fits into the narrative. They argue anomalies and make up a story around it. I would suggest CIT is the classic example of this.
 
Yeah, sounds like small potatoes only:

The commissioner said the renewed public debate could force a spotlight on a mostly unknown chapter of the history of the 9/11 commission: behind closed doors, members of the panel’s staff fiercely protested the way the material about the Saudis was presented in the final report, saying it underplayed or ignored evidence that Saudi officials – especially at lower levels of the government – were part of an al-Qaida support network that had been tasked to assist the hijackers after they arrived in the US.
 

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