Bubba Clinton Shouts Down BLM Hecklivists

Mumbles said:
One of the problems here is that, while older black people remember the 1994 crime bill, *and* the horrible atmosphere that allowed it to pass, the younger voters, especially, do not, and are not at all interested in hearing - although they definitely remember 2008 Bill Clinton's disparaging attitude towards Obama, and they don't care for it at all.
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There were folks at the time who opposed these laws. And it seems Bill and Hillary aren't all that interested in reasonable criticism these days. There is no reason in the world why they don't say something like "at the time, the bills had support from many leaders among African Americans. We were looking for a way to stem the tide of rising violence and these seemed effective. While there are measurable decreases in violent crime, including murder, we now see there were also unintended consequences and we have worked hard to address those and make sure every can enjoy freedom" etc etc

But, this was supposed to be Wall Street Hill's coronation tour and no one expected any actual opposition.

The other is that, really, the best that Hillary and Sanders can say on this subject is that they aren't the GOP, but that's less going over a low bar, and more not grabbing the bar, sharpening the end, and stabbing black people in the face with it.
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Ya, kinda sucks.

Well...truth is, people aren't trying to die under Trump or Cruz, so...
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Dying under another candidate who is a friend to the prison industry?
 
Donal said:
There were folks at the time who opposed these laws. And it seems Bill and Hillary aren't all that interested in reasonable criticism these days.
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Reasonable as in a bunch of people shouting at his campaign event?:rolleyes:

There is no reason in the world why they don't say something like "at the time, the bills had support from many leaders among African Americans. We were looking for a way to stem the tide of rising violence and these seemed effective. While there are measurable decreases in violent crime, including murder, we now see there were also unintended consequences and we have worked hard to address those and make sure every can enjoy freedom" etc etc
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Pretty sure Hillary has said something akin to this.

But, this was supposed to be Wall Street Hill's coronation tour and no one expected any actual opposition.
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Bollocks! Is that your idea of reasonable discussion?
 
DeBlasio was on CNN tonight and said the SJW complaints (my words not his :p) were not the general reaction. The black guy involved in the joke along with other blacks involved in writing the joke thought it was funny.
 
Al Sharpton is calling for a plan to addressed the three strikes part of the law. It will be interesting to see if on the debate on the 14th or Clinton's planned interview with the NY Post she'll address the issue.

No doubt Sanders will have something ready to blame on Clinton about the bill in the debate. I wonder though if he'll have more than a platitude response to what he plans to do about it.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
DeBlasio was on CNN tonight and said the SJW complaints (my words not his :p) were not the general reaction. The black guy involved in the joke along with other blacks involved in writing the joke thought it was funny.
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Oh, well then, that makes it definitely okay and not an indication about questionable judgment of a woman running for president who keeps on having incidents which make her look racist. Perfectly natural that she would just breeze on ahead with it, secure in the knowledge that everyone will understand this latest contretemps. Just like the last one, and the one before that, and the next one, too!

I've said it before: Clinton is her own worst enemy here. She does more damage to her own campaign by speaking than Sanders ever could do to her. I'm looking forward to her next torpedo into her own hull. She's getting funnier by the day!
 
Looking at the internets, it seems that the joke was not well received, which probably should have been obvious:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/on-de-blasio-and-clintons-cp-time-joke.html#

http://www.theroot.com/articles/new...on_make_cringe_worthy_joke_about_cp_time.html

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...o-colored-people-time-joke-skit-racial-racist

ETA: these are not the sort of headlines you want to see in the New York Times about your joke:

Racially Charged Joke by Hillary Clinton and Bill de Blasio Leaves Some Cringing

In less than three minutes, a comedy routine between Hillary Clinton and Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York managed to cause a storm of controversy over a racially charged joke.
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The joke quickly made its way around social media as both Mrs. Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders work to woo black voters ahead of the April 19 primary in New York. Both Mr. de Blasio and Mrs. Clinton have a reputation for running late, but the expression struck some as inappropriate.

New York magazine captured the exchange and asked “Does your wife, Chirlane, know about this joke?” referring to Mr. de Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray, who is African-American. Salon called the comedy skit “cringe worthy.” A headline in Gawker read “Hillary Clinton Tries to Prove She’s Not Racist with Awkward Joke About ‘Colored People Time.’”

Speaking on CNN on Monday evening, Mr. de Blasio said that the exchange was part of a scripted event and that all parties were in on the joke, with “cautious politician” being the intended punchline.

“I think people are missing the point here,” he said.
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Maybe. But who is missing the real point? Gotta stop and think about what tomorrow's headline will say.
 
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Puppycow said:
Hmmm, never heard that expression before, but the cringeworthy joke was de Blasio's. I guess he's sort of "down with the ethnics" because he's married to a black woman.
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Standard rule - don't make an edgy standup comedian joke if you aren't a standup comedian.

(You *can*, of course, but don't be shocked if people get angry at you)
 
TragicMonkey said:
Oh, well then, that makes it definitely okay and not an indication about questionable judgment of a woman running for president who keeps on having incidents which make her look racist. Perfectly natural that she would just breeze on ahead with it, secure in the knowledge that everyone will understand this latest contretemps. Just like the last one, and the one before that, and the next one, too!

I've said it before: Clinton is her own worst enemy here. She does more damage to her own campaign by speaking than Sanders ever could do to her. I'm looking forward to her next torpedo into her own hull. She's getting funnier by the day!
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The right wing and Sanders supporters will take anything out of context and make a big deal of it. Hell, Dukakis lost because he looked funny riding in a tank wearing a helmut. Howard Dean was taken down by one stupid yell.

All that stuff is petty and has nothing to do with the real measure of a candidate's judgement. Sanders latest attack is Clinton's judgement given he has little substance to use against her.

You can imagine a whole scenario about Bill arguing with BLM protestors or Clinton making an onstage joke about a commonly accepted and not insulting joke about CP time. I looked it up online and it appears many people think it's valid and I saw nothing that said it was considered an insult.

Bottom line, the Clinton's have been active in the black community since Hillary worked to increase black student enrollment at Wellesley when she was a student there. The blacks in the South know the Clintons, that's why they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary.

Her plan to deal with current situation involving black incarceration is what will matter. Bill getting in a tiff with some BLM protestors and a joke about CP time are going to shed off Clinton like water off a duck's back.
 
I see that the name and shame outrage culture has infected some of our forumites/fellow skeptics. Sad, but there might some hope for your kids.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
The right wing and Sanders supporters will take anything out of context and make a big deal of it. Hell, Dukakis lost because he looked funny riding in a tank wearing a helmut. Howard Dean was taken down by one stupid yell.

All that stuff is petty and has nothing to do with the real measure of a candidate's judgement. Sanders latest attack is Clinton's judgement given he has little substance to use against her.

You can imagine a whole scenario about Bill arguing with BLM protestors or Clinton making an onstage joke about a commonly accepted and not insulting joke about CP time. I looked it up online and it appears many people think it's valid and I saw nothing that said it was considered an insult.

Bottom line, the Clinton's have been active in the black community since Hillary worked to increase black student enrollment at Wellesley when she was a student there. The blacks in the South know the Clintons, that's why they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary.

Her plan to deal with current situation involving black incarceration is what will matter. Bill getting in a tiff with some BLM protestors and a joke about CP time are going to shed off Clinton like water off a duck's back.
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:rolleyes:

Did this bull **** work in Washington? Because it is *********** ridiculous
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The right wing and Sanders supporters will take anything out of context and make a big deal of it.
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Stop a minute and think. Really, honestly, think. If it had been Sanders instead of Clinton, or Trump, or Kasich, or anybody else instead of Clinton in that would you be saying the same thing?

Hell, Dukakis lost because he looked funny riding in a tank wearing a helmut. Howard Dean was taken down by one stupid yell.
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Popular misconceptions. Dean was already down in the polls before his funny yell, the whole thing about the yell "losing him the candidacy" was an after-the-fact myth. It was one of the few things anybody can actually remember about Dean. As for Dukakis, before my time but I'm pretty sure there was more to it than that.

Likewise nobody's suggesting there will ever be One Thing that brings down Clinton. What I'm saying is that this is just another incident in a pattern of poor judgment. Do I think she's racist? Probably not. But she's certainly showing poor judgment in controlling her image here. How on earth can a politician in this day and age, with this media, who should be supremely conscious of her image at all moments, make such a glaring error of judgment? She was being either careless, stupid, or racist and none of those things is a good sell for a presidential candidate.

All that stuff is petty and has nothing to do with the real measure of a candidate's judgement. Sanders latest attack is Clinton's judgement given he has little substance to use against her.
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Yeah, it's not Serious Stuff like trying to use Sander's 1982 agreement that marriage is good as some sort of gotcha to prove he's been against gay marriage since before it was ever an issue.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Stop a minute and think. Really, honestly, think. If it had been Sanders instead of Clinton, or Trump, or Kasich, or anybody else instead of Clinton in that would you be saying the same thing?
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If you mean would I say they acted foolish with hecklers, yes, and so did Bill.

But re the Crime Bill, no I wouldn't have a different opinion with the exception the enormity of the false attacks on Clinton by far outweigh distortions anyone else has to put up with.

But I also think Clinton does herself no favors when she goes too far on some issues she uses against Sanders.

Popular misconceptions. Dean was already down in the polls before his funny yell, the whole thing about the yell "losing him the candidacy" was an after-the-fact myth. It was one of the few things anybody can actually remember about Dean. As for Dukakis, before my time but I'm pretty sure there was more to it than that.
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It's not a myth. And I was around for both. I'm not going to argue it here.

Likewise nobody's suggesting there will ever be One Thing that brings down Clinton. What I'm saying is that this is just another incident in a pattern of poor judgment. Do I think she's racist? Probably not. But she's certainly showing poor judgment in controlling her image here. How on earth can a politician in this day and age, with this media, who should be supremely conscious of her image at all moments, make such a glaring error of judgment? She was being either careless, stupid, or racist and none of those things is a good sell for a presidential candidate.
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This is drinking the Sanders koolaid crap.

Yeah, it's not Serious Stuff like trying to use Sander's 1982 agreement that marriage is good as some sort of gotcha to prove he's been against gay marriage since before it was ever an issue.
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Are you pretending he didn't support civil unions but not marriage at one point in time?
 
Clinton making an onstage joke about a commonly accepted and not insulting joke about CP time. I looked it up online and it appears many people think it's valid and I saw nothing that said it was considered an insult.
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Seriously? You don't get it? and you looked it up online for approval? You don't see how maybe that joke was a bad idea, in light of recent events? That maybe marching out a black performer, in costume no less, to try and validate it only made it worse?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The right wing and Sanders supporters will take anything out of context and make a big deal of it. Hell, Dukakis lost because he looked funny riding in a tank wearing a helmut. Howard Dean was taken down by one stupid yell.
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Assuming your analysis were correct, isn't it an indictment of of Clinton's poor judgement?

If Dukakis and Dean could be brought down by something as unexpectedly silly as a helmut or a yell, how could Clinton possibly be excused for participating in something as obviously problematic as racial humor? Dukakis at least can be excused for misjudging the optics of appearing in proper military gear in a military context (Bush Jr. should have learned from his mistake, though). Dean can be forgiven for letting his enthusiasm momentarily get the better of him. What's Clinton's excuse for preparing a scripted appearance in which she cracks a joke about colored people?

What's she going to say when her lack of thought and care offends the Russian people during negotiations with their government? What's she going to say when she gives offense to the Ayatollahs of Iran, or the party leadership in Beijing? What's she going to say when she carelessly insults Japan, or one of our other allies?

"Yes, my gaffe was easy to forsee and easier still to avoid, but I didn't bother preparing because I just don't care that much about what you think. But don't worry--it doesn't reflect my actual ability to judge the matters of greatest importance to you, I promise."

Boop to that. "Colored people time" speaks directly to the reason so many people dislike Hillary Clinton. And it doesn't need a vast right-wing conspiracy. It doesn't need a Sanders smear campaign. It just needs Hillary being Hillary.
 
Donal said:
Seriously? You don't get it? and you looked it up online for approval? You don't see how maybe that joke was a bad idea, in light of recent events? That maybe marching out a black performer, in costume no less, to try and validate it only made it worse?
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I'm confident Bill DeBlasio knows a black insult when he sees one.

I'm also confident some people in the SJW league see insults in everything from a white sister resting her arm on her black little sister's head in an ad being racist to a guy in an elevator hitting on a gal being some horrendous sexualizing of the woman.

Obviously if your confirmation bias leans toward HDS, you can see the racist insult.

Show me evidence it was insulting to a widespread group of blacks who are outraged and I might reconsider.
 
Do you think it would be acceptable for Hillary to refer to Obama as the "HNIC" ?
 
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