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Obama Goes To Cuba

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I'm surprised there is no discussion of this event (I couldn't find one at any rate), but yesterday President Barack Obama, along with forty members of Congress, a contingent of American business people and the Tampa Bay Rays baseball team, arrived in Cuba. This was the first time an American President had visited the island nation in eighty-eight years.

Yesterday Obama had a somewhat contentious meeting with Cuban president Raul Castro. Today Obama urged Castro to allow people the freedom to criticize the government. The two leaders later sat together at a baseball game between the Cuban National team and the Tampa Bay Rays.

Tampa won by a score of 4-1. :cool:
 
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I'm surprised there is no discussion of this event (I couldn't find one at any rate), but yesterday President Barack Obama, along with forty members of Congress, a contingent of American business people and the Tampa Bay Rays baseball team, arrived in Cuba. This was the first time an American President had visited the island nation in eighty-eight years.
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I think the reasoning is obvious, reopening of Cuban relations was surprising when it happened, year or who *********** cares how long ago... this is just an extension of it.

What genuinely shocked me is sitting beside the guy. That's a little much. To me, baseball is more important than religion or politics. Who I sit with during a game is a big deal to me. But the fact that I'll sit with someone who I disagree with is just as important. So I can see how it seems like a big deal to some people, but I don't think it should be seen as bad.

Retweets are not endorsements, in other words.
 
I'd just like someone to explain the hypocrisy of those particular Americans who continue to rail against relations with Communist Cuba, and constantly pointing out the human rights failings of that country, while at the same time the U.S. does billions of dollars in business with Communist China, a nation not exactly noted for its embracing of human rights.

Sorry, but if one is going to be steadfastly anti-Communist as an ideological principle, then I expect consistency in the application of said principle.
 
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I'd just like someone to explain the hypocrisy of those particular Americans who continue to rail against relations with Communist Cuba, and constantly pointing out the human rights failings of that country, while at the same time the U.S. does billions of dollars in business with Communist China, a nation not exactly noted for its embracing of human rights.

Sorry, but if one is going to be steadfastly anti-Communist as an ideological principle, then I expect consistency in the application of said principle.
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Yes. And just now on Joe Scarborough after a nice segment calling out Cruz for his 'patrol Muslim neighborhoods' comment, Scarborough goes on to berate Obama for doing the wave at the first US/Cuba baseball game in decades. Scarborough compared it to GW Bush's disgusting golf swing, "now watch me..."

No Joe, it was not like Bush's cavalier golf swing. Here's Obama on a peace mission and Scarborough is berating him for not dropping everything and flying back to DC after the Belgian bomb.

It's peace missions that we need. This obsession with the Castros is hypocritical.
 
Last evening I saw Obama speaking to a Cuban assemblage which included Raul Castro. He said:
"I can't tell you what to believe. But I can tell you what I believe."
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It really made me proud to be American. Great job Mr. President!
 
Conservatives have hated this entire trip of Obama's from the beginning. They've been playing to Cuban expats (who won't rest until all the pro Castro people have been nuked) for so long that they have lost all sense of reason.
 
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Conservatives have hated this entire trip of Obama's from the beginning. They've been playing to Cuban expats (who won't rest until all the pro Castro people have been nuked) for so long that they have lost all sense of reason.
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That is a pretty small group. I really doubt a nuke is needed. Ron Kuby , the mayor of NYC, some rap mogul and who else?

All kidding aside I think it is good to have better relations with Cuba.
 
Travis said:
Conservatives have hated this entire trip of Obama's from the beginning. They've been playing to Cuban expats (who won't rest until all the pro Castro people have been nuked) for so long that they have lost all sense of reason.
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That is a pretty small group. I really doubt a nuke is needed. Ron Kuby , the mayor of NYC, some rap mogul and who else?

All kidding aside I think it is good to have better relations with Cuba.
 
I suppose they feel the same way about Nixon visiting China?

Ranb
 
Here's an essay Fidel wrote in response to Obama's speech. Seems like he's smelling something rotten...

Fidel Castro Ruz said:
[...] Obama made a speech in which he uses the most sweetened words to express: “It is time, now, to forget the past, leave the past behind, let us look to the future together, a future of hope. And it won’t be easy, there will be challenges and we must give it time; but my stay here gives me more hope in what we can do together as friends, as family, as neighbors, together.”

I suppose all of us were at risk of a heart attack upon hearing these words from the President of the United States. After a ruthless blockade that has lasted almost 60 years, and what about those who have died in the mercenary attacks on Cuban ships and ports, an airliner full of passengers blown up in midair, mercenary invasions, multiple acts of violence and coercion?

Nobody should be under the illusion that the people of this dignified and selfless country will renounce the glory, the rights, or the spiritual wealth they have gained with the development of education, science and culture.

I also warn that we are capable of producing the food and material riches we need with the efforts and intelligence of our people. We do not need the empire to give us anything. Our efforts will be legal and peaceful, as this is our commitment to peace and fraternity among all human beings who live on this planet.
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Sounds like his feeble mind is more addled than I thought.
 
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