Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Michele Bachman has come out of retirement to bash Clinton (and Sanders) claiming she going to end coal mining without replacing the energy source. :confused:

Chris Matthews asked her who was the fascist, Clinton or Trump and she said Clinton because she's going to shut down the coal mines.

Bachman is so ignorant. Of course it's no surprise she doesn't know what a fascist is. But claiming Clinton would shut down coal mining and leave the country without power is mind boggling even for her.
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all we have to do is add 10% gas and 30% nuclear
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So the US SoS during the Cold War encouraged the take down of Anti-US, Pro-Soviet Governments by Right-wingers that the US believed (often wrongly) would be more supportive of the US. Hmmm, more news at 11.
 
In the meantime, Clinton is well ahead in AZ which has the most delegates (85). The latest poll was very recent.

Sanders may have an edge in ID, but not a lot of delegates (27).

And there haven't been any recent polls in UT that I can see (37 delegates).

Sanders might take Wisconsin but Clinton is well ahead in NY.
 
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it's not a matter of if, but when ,Hilary gets enough deleagtes to clinch the vote.
I also think there will be a "let's gets this over with" attitude of a bunch of Democrats,now that is almost certain that Hilary will win,to wrap it up early,and the sit back and enjoy the GOP ripping itself to shreds.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In the meantime, Clinton is well ahead in AZ which has the most delegates (85). The latest poll was very recent.

Sanders may have an edge in ID, but not a lot of delegates (27).

And there haven't been any recent polls in UT that I can see (37 delegates).

Sanders might take Wisconsin but Clinton is well ahead in NY.
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If Clinton wasn't ahead in NY that would be a huge shock, but this is all over bar the tantrum from Bernie supporters. Frankly I doubt many of them would have voted in November anyway so they're really no loss.
 
Bit surprised how nasty and arrogant Hillary fans are toward Bernie supporters. I have seen it all over the Internet.

Kinda like their nasty and arrogant hero Hillary.

You'd think they would start building bridges, but oh well.

No skin off my nose of course, my strict standard for a candidate is that they did not vote for the Iraq war like Slick Hilly did.
 
16.5 said:
Bit surprised how nasty and arrogant Hillary fans are toward Bernie supporters. I have seen it all over the Internet.

Kinda like their nasty and arrogant hero Hillary.

You'd think they would start building bridges, but oh well.

No skin off my nose of course, my strict standard for a candidate is that they did not vote for the Iraq war like Slick Hilly did.
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16.5 said:
my strict standard for a candidate is that they did not vote for the Iraq war
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Blood Traces: Bernie’s Iraq War Hypocrisy
Sanders supported Bill Clinton’s war on Serbia, voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted, backed Obama’s Libyan debacle and supports an expanded US role in the Syrian Civil War.

More problematic for the Senator in Birkenstocks is the little-known fact that Bernie Sanders himself voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”
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Even Hillary belatedly admitted that her Iraq war vote was a mistake. Bernie, however, has never apologized for his two votes endorsing the overthrow of Saddam. On the rare occasions when Sanders has been confronted about these votes, he has casually dismissed them as being “almost unanimous.” I went back and checked the record. In fact, many members of the progressive caucus in the House, as well as a few libertarian anti-war Members of Congress, vote against the Iraq regime change measures.
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16.5 said:
Bit surprised how nasty and arrogant Hillary fans are toward Bernie supporters. I have seen it all over the Internet.

Kinda like their nasty and arrogant hero Hillary.

You'd think they would start building bridges, but oh well.

No skin off my nose of course, my strict standard for a candidate is that they did not vote for the Iraq war like Slick Hilly did.
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You're not a Bernie supporter, you just hate Hillary. I don't believe for a second that you would vote for him in the general election.

As for your strict didn't vote for the Iraq war "standard" that must mean you were an Obama supporter in 2008. Given the fact that it was Obama vs Hillary in the primary and Obama vs McCain in the general. Right?
 
Tony Stark said:
You're not a Bernie supporter, you just hate Hillary. I don't believe for a second that you would vote for him in the general election.

As for your strict didn't vote for the Iraq war "standard" that must mean you were an Obama supporter in 2008. Given the fact that it was Obama vs Hillary in the primary and Obama vs McCain in the general. Right?
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OH dear, more mind reading...

No, it "must" not. C'mon man, you ever pick up a ballot before?
 
16.5 said:
OH dear, more mind reading...

No, it "must" not. C'mon man, you ever pick up a ballot before?
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It doesn't take mind reading. You're clearly a right winger who is obsessed with Hillary. You simply pretend to be a Bernie supporter as to attack her because you know that people here are not going to listen to to attacks on her from the right.

Yeah, I know you weren't an Obama supporter. You've admitted it. Which is why I am convinced that your stated standard of not voting for the Iraq war is highly disingenuous. Given the absolute fact that the only person standing in the way of Hillary and McCain (both of whom voted for the war) in the primary and general was Obama. The only reason you pretend to care about the issue of the Iraq war vote is so you can attack Hillary over it.

You couldn't be more obvious. It is quite pathetic really.
 
Tony Stark said:
It doesn't take mind reading. You're clearly a right winger who is obsessed with Hillary. You simply pretend to be a Bernie supporter as to attack her because you know that people here are not going to listen to to attacks on her from the right.

Yeah, I know you weren't an Obama supporter. You've admitted it. Which is why I am convinced that your stated standard of not voting for the Iraq war is highly disingenuous. Given the absolute fact that the only person standing in the way of Hillary and McCain (both of whom voted for the war) in the primary and general was Obama. The only reason you pretend to care about the issue of the Iraq war vote is so you can attack Hillary over it.

You couldn't be more obvious. It is quite pathetic really.
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Well certainly Hillary is subject to criticism for her Iraq war vote, because you know, she voted for it.

But I also did not vote for bush ii, McCain because of it too.

But Hillary voted for it too, so she is right out, on top of the fact she is pathological liar.
 
16.5 said:
Well certainly Hillary is subject to criticism for her Iraq war vote, because you know, she voted for it.

But I also did not vote for bush ii, McCain because of it too.

But Hillary voted for it too, so she is right out, on top of the fact she is pathological liar.
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Sure, you're a Chicago Democrat whose major concern for a candidate is that they didn't vote for the Iraq war but didn't support Obama.

I don't believe you. To be clear, I believe you didn't support Obama. I don't believe that you're a Democrat or that you give a flying **** about whether or not a candidate voted for the Iraq war.
 
Tony Stark said:
Sure, you're a Chicago Democrat whose major concern for a candidate is that they didn't vote for the Iraq war but didn't support Obama.

I don't believe you. To be clear, I believe you didn't support Obama. I don't believe that you're a Democrat or that you give a flying **** about whether or not a candidate voted for the Iraq war.
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I never said it was the only reason to disqualify a candidate, Tony.

There are additional reasons, of course, Hillary just hits on every single one.

Like her Iraq war vote.

Really unconcerned that you do not believe me, Tony.
 
That's right, Bernie is too pro-war for me. He just appears to be the least bloodthirsty of the bunch.

We might be able to even find Ron Paul voting for one thing or another - I wonder. I don't know if it is true or not, but just an example where the most Anti-War politician I know of still probably doesn't have a 100% record.
 
16.5 said:
Bit surprised how nasty and arrogant Hillary fans are toward Bernie supporters. I have seen it all over the Internet.

Kinda like their nasty and arrogant hero Hillary.

You'd think they would start building bridges, but oh well.

No skin off my nose of course, my strict standard for a candidate is that they did not vote for the Iraq war like Slick Hilly did.
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That's a stupid strict standard. The majority of Americans supported that decision. There was nothing inherently wrong with that decision. It was merely a route we could go down that could lead to either good or bad scenarios dependent on how subsequent decisions were made.

You seem to be adhering to a line I find way too many Bernie supporters taking which is asking for ideological purity of a religious nature. It supposes that the Iraq War was an inherently evil proposition that could never result in good. So the only "good" people are those that never wavered from the "one true path" as if it were all preordained.

Except that all of that is dead wrong. The Iraq War could have resulting in great things. It didn't but that is because of subsequent blunders. Those blunders need not have happened but none of them were tied to the initial decision.

Taking bizarre absolutist positions like this is incredibly off putting and one of the things I abhor the most about fellow Bernie supporters.
 
Travis said:
That's a stupid strict standard. The majority of Americans supported that decision. There was nothing inherently wrong with that decision. It was merely a route we could go down that could lead to either good or bad scenarios dependent on how subsequent decisions were made.

You seem to be adhering to a line I find way too many Bernie supporters taking which is asking for ideological purity of a religious nature. It supposes that the Iraq War was an inherently evil proposition that could never result in good. So the only "good" people are those that never wavered from the "one true path" as if it were all preordained.

Except that all of that is dead wrong. The Iraq War could have resulting in great things. It didn't but that is because of subsequent blunders. Those blunders need not have happened but none of them were tied to the initial decision.

Taking bizarre absolutist positions like this is incredibly off putting and one of the things I abhor the most about fellow Bernie supporters.
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Oh gee! My fellow Bernie "supporter" (who curiously enough spends an inordinate amount of time complaining about Bernie and his supporters rather than addressing the massive flaws in Hillary's position and character) thinks my position is "stupid" "bizarre" and "absolutist."

But Travis, that is the position I applied in 2004, 2008, 2012.

Thanks though for checking in Travis! Hillary 2016, amiright?:rolleyes:

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The Iraq War could have resulting in great things. It didn't but that is because of subsequent blunders. Those blunders need not have happened but none of them were tied to the initial decision.
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Missed this. and he calls my position "stupid" "bizarre." YIKES
 
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