Hillary Clinton is Done

[logger]

That is definitely a part of the baggage that most of the electorate, not just conservatives and evangelicals, associate with being Hillary Clinton.

Yes it has nothing to do with decades of shady politics.

 

[Trakar]

Yes it has nothing to do with decades of shady politics.

I don't know why you are eye-rolling, that too, is the perception of much, if not most, of the electorate, not merely the conservatives and evangelicals, and part of the baggage that they associate with being Hillary Clinton.

Do you not understand what a person's baggage is?

 

[Travis]

Though I don't see much difference between Trump and Clinton aside from the words they use to pander to their respective constituencies, I sincerely hope for those whose primary concerns are different than my own, that you are right.

That's a very interesting thing to write. I mean it would be equally valid to say that there isn't any difference between Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders aside from the words they use to pander to their respective constituencies.

 

[Trakar]

That's a very interesting thing to write. I mean it would be equally valid to say that there isn't any difference between Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders aside from the words they use to pander to their respective constituencies.

Pandering implies insincere solicitation for votes (aka lying about your real goals and objectives to secure the votes/support of those who believe differently than you). I don't see Sanders doing this to any appreciable extent. As to Cruz, I believe that he is actually much more authentic than Trump, Hillary, or even Rubio. I disagree with Cruz, and would vigorously oppose nearly every policy stand he has taken, but I believe he believes in those policies and positions.

 

[catsmate]

Simple, it's a win-win for the people doing the asking.

If she doesn't release the transcripts then she is evasive, aloof and doesn't care about the electorate.

If she does then she's weak and gives her opponents all kinds of material to go through with a fine-toothed comb to look for any contractions and/or unpopular messages.

The fishing expedition into Benghazi didn't pan out, the fishing expedition into her email didn't pan out, so they're trying to start a new fishing expedition. Like a fly bouncing off a window: maybe this time, bonk, maybe this time, bonk, maybe this time, bonk, etc until 2024 or so.

Exactly

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

People haven't realized it yet, but we've passed through, into the Mirror Universe already, and there's no going back.

Is this the one with evil Biden in a goatee and our pragmatic but loyal Imerialist Obama has been replaced with the namby-pamby Federation one?

 

[Roger Ramjets]

If you value such polls, Sanders has consistently held this type of advantage.

A bit selective in your poll preferences are you not?

Moving the goalposts?

But these polls comparing two different candidates to another are silly. Half the people saying they would vote for Bernie over Trump are probably republicans who are rooting for a different Republican candidate - and if Trump wins the nomination they will either hold their noses and vote for him or stay home.

The only poll that matters is which candidate democrats prefer.

Clinton Regains Popularity Advantage Over Sanders

after Sanders' image reached its high mark in late January/early February, it has fallen steadily. His current net favorable is his lowest since late December, a time when Sanders was comparatively less known to many Democrats. Clinton has now taken back her title as the most popular presidential candidate with Democrats, and with her predicted victory in the South Carolina primary Saturday, she appears to be back on a winning trajectory.

 

[Trakar]

Moving the goalposts?

But these polls comparing two different candidates to another are silly. Half the people saying they would vote for Bernie over Trump are probably republicans who are rooting for a different Republican candidate - and if Trump wins the nomination they will either hold their noses and vote for him or stay home.

The only poll that matters is which candidate democrats prefer.

Clinton Regains Popularity Advantage Over Sanders

Only if you expect part of the Democratic voters to elect Clinton in the general election, because while every Democratic voter I've talked to has said that they would vote for Sanders if he is the Democratic nominee, more than 20% (YMMV) that I have spoken to, have said that they won't vote for Hillary if she is the Dem. nominee in Nov., that percentage goes up much higher if we are talking about Independents or Republicans. Whereas a lot of Independents are drawn to Bernie, and more than a few Republicans.

 

[Travis]

Pandering implies insincere solicitation for votes (aka lying about your real goals and objectives to secure the votes/support of those who believe differently than you). I don't see Sanders doing this to any appreciable extent. As to Cruz, I believe that he is actually much more authentic than Trump, Hillary, or even Rubio. I disagree with Cruz, and would vigorously oppose nearly every policy stand he has taken, but I believe he believes in those policies and positions.

Right, Sanders is pure of heart while Hillary is some wicked lying witch.

 

[The Big Dog]

Right, Sanders is pure of heart while Hillary is some wicked lying witch.

Yeah, and you are a Bernie "supporter."

 

[Foolmewunz]

Yeah, and you are a Bernie "supporter."

This surprises you? Why? You do realize that it's possible to agree with the positions of one candidate and not demonize the other or want to join in the witch hunt.

The Bern Bro delegation who have joined you in the HDS crusade, frankly, are an embarrassment... to other progressives and in a few weeks, to themselves.

 

[Tero]

Go evangelicals! Go hillbillies! Go gun nuts! Trump is your last chance. There will be no Republican presidents after this 16 election. The party is going to hang in at congress for a while but will eventually fall apart.

 

[Tero]

duplicate

 

[The Big Dog]

This surprises you? Why? You do realize that it's possible to agree with the positions of one candidate and not demonize the other or want to join in the witch hunt.

The Bern Bro delegation who have joined you in the HDS crusade, frankly, are an embarrassment... to other progressives and in a few weeks, to themselves.

Lolz! You know how to spot a fanatical Hillary supporter around here? They say "I'm a Bernie supporter, but..."

Bernie bro = Obama boy + 8 years - the overt racism.

 

[wareyin]

Lolz! You know how to spot a fanatical Hillary supporter around here? They say "I'm a Bernie supporter, but..."

Bernie bro = Obama boy + 8 years - the overt racism.

Hold on, I thought you were claiming to be a Bernie supporter. Now you say this means you are a fanatical Clinton supporter? Wow, so your years long crusade has been a false flag operation? I guess this explains a lot, actually.

 

[The Big Dog]

Another way to spot a fanatical Hillary supporter?

They say, "good point Wareyin."

 

[Trakar]

Right, Sanders is pure of heart while Hillary is some wicked lying witch.

Hyperbolic bifurcation noted. Nothing pure about Sanders that know of, but his record is remarkably consistent and stable while being generally in tune with my own values over the last half century or so, unlike Hillary's history, even just over the last 14 months.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Hyperbolic bifurcation noted. Nothing pure about Sanders that know of, but his record is remarkably consistent and stable while being generally in tune with my own values over the last half century or so, unlike Hillary's history, even just over the last 14 months.

With the exception of the gun lobby, the corporate corn subsidy lobby, the Jewish lobby when it comes to the Palestinians, and all the Democratic Party fundraising he's done for years in exchange for not having a Democratic challenge for his Vermont seat after one almost defeated him.

Not trying to downplay his campaign platform. I hope he has a huge impact with it. I just don't think he can accomplish what he wants to as POTUS. For that I think Clinton will do a better job.

 

[Trakar]

An examination of Hillary's win in South Carolina

2008 Democratic turnout = 532,000
2016 Democratic turnout = 367,000 that is a hair more than a 31% drop in turnout

Most of that is in the Black turnout which dropped by more than 23%
White turnout dropped by almost 9% and the Latino vote moved up a slight bit.

This follows a trend seen in every primary of greatly lowered voter turnout, which is a bit surprising until we find out that the DNC is not sponsoring new voter drives or get out the vote campaigns as they traditionally have in every nation primary ahead of every national election until this year.

What should be worrying to Hillary supporters is that the Republicans are setting new records in turnout in every primary they have had so far. So while Republicans are expanding their voter base and whipping them into a frenzy of participation, the DNC is suppressing new registration and voter turnout programs and suffering dramatic falloffs in support and enthusiasm. It isn't Sanders supporters that won't vote for Hillary that should be a concern, it is the falling numbers of unenthusiastic, nose-holding supporters, and the invigorated and growing army of Republican voters that this more than decimated and unexcited pool of democratic voters sees lining up against them (in large part because the truly rabid HDS conservatives and evangelicals believe Hillary will be the Democratic nominee).

 

[bruto]

I wouldn't consider Bernie all that pure myself, but must put in one word on his behalf with relation to the gun issue. Bernie is in an unusual position here, being from Vermont. He became representative in part because his Republican predecessor, who had been comfortably assured of incumbency, made a vote on "assault weapons" in congress that so angered the rather vociferous Vermont hunters that they campaigned to throw Peter Smith out, and much of Bernie's support was backlash from people who would ordinarily probably have spat on him. He then turned out to be a pretty good congressman, and has stayed popular with many voters who would not ordinarily want to be considered liberal. Whether you like him and his position or not, his silence on gun control issues has been directly responsive to his Vermont constituency. edit to add: and whatever side you're on, you might keep in mind that when trying to evaluate Bernie's image as an all-ideals anti-political candidate, that has been an opportunistic and politic position in the real world. I like Bernie, but even if his view of reality differs from some others, don't think for a minute he's not calculating what is needed for success.