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Hillary Clinton is Done

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16.5 said:
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Fail. Obviously sarcastic mockery <> misrepresentation. I mean really, the closing tag didn't make this abundantly clear?

Allow me to clarify that in no way do I actually think that you disrespected black people. All hail Hymie the Robot, see sig.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
...Choosing Bernie over Hillary is not good judgement. Does she want Trump to win?...
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Making Hillary the DNC candidate makes it more likely that Trump will be president. Voter Turnout for the Democratic primary so far has been down in every state, down 28% in Iowa, 13% in New Hampshire, 33% in Nevada, and nearly 35% in S.Carolina. Party leaders have seemingly hosted fewer voter registration drives. In some cases, party leaders are just skipping them altogether in many states and at college campuses, curious move, unless they are afraid that bringing in new voters hurts the preferred candidate's chances in the primaries.

In all four states where Republicans have voted, they have broken the all-time records for voter turnout for each and every state. Lincoln Chaffe could have been the Republican candidate and Hillary on the DNC ticket would drive record turnout among evangelicals and conservatives for the RNC.
 
Trakar said:
Making Hillary the DNC candidate makes it more likely that Trump will be president. Voter Turnout for the Democratic primary so far has been down in every state, down 28% in Iowa, 13% in New Hampshire, 33% in Nevada, and nearly 35% in S.Carolina. Party leaders have seemingly hosted fewer voter registration drives. In some cases, party leaders are just skipping them altogether in many states and at college campuses, curious move, unless they are afraid that bringing in new voters hurts the preferred candidate's chances in the primaries.

In all four states where Republicans have voted, they have broken the all-time records for voter turnout for each and every state. Lincoln Chaffe could have been the Republican candidate and Hillary on the DNC ticket would drive record turnout among evangelicals and conservatives for the RNC.
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I completely disagree with your evaluation of these facts. I think they show that many republican primary voters are scared as hell about a Trump nomination, and that they aren't likely to vote for him in a general election. I think the GOP leadership knows this as well, and they will probably treat a Trump nomination as a loss in the general, instead focusing on retaining senate seats by distancing themselves from Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Hillary will wipe the floor with him.
 
uke2se said:
I completely disagree with your evaluation of these facts. I think they show that many republican primary voters are scared as hell about a Trump nomination, and that they aren't likely to vote for him in a general election. I think the GOP leadership knows this as well, and they will probably treat a Trump nomination as a loss in the general, instead focusing on retaining senate seats by distancing themselves from Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Hillary will wipe the floor with him.
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This sounds like the same song being sung when Trump hit the Republican primaries.

He can't possibly win, the other candidates will wipe the floor with him.

And look how that turned out. I wouldn't be sure of anything.
 
uke2se said:
I completely disagree with your evaluation of these facts. I think they show that many republican primary voters are scared as hell about a Trump nomination, and that they aren't likely to vote for him in a general election. I think the GOP leadership knows this as well, and they will probably treat a Trump nomination as a loss in the general, instead focusing on retaining senate seats by distancing themselves from Trump. If Trump is the nominee, Hillary will wipe the floor with him.
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Though I don't see much difference between Trump and Clinton aside from the words they use to pander to their respective constituencies, I sincerely hope for those whose primary concerns are different than my own, that you are right.

I think the only thing tempering some of the Trump v. Hillary polls, is the quickly evaporating hope by some of the RNC establishment that Rubio or Cruz could pull close enough for a convention ambush. This seems to have been vaporware after the last two contests and it is more apparent now that Trump will likely absorb the voters of his remaining primary opposition and consolidate them with all of the Republican base against a potential Hillary candidacy. Whereas Hillary and the DNC have already repressed Democratic excitement among their base and alienated new voter turnout on their side of the equation.
 
quixotecoyote said:
This sounds like the same song being sung when Trump hit the Republican primaries.

He can't possibly win, the other candidates will wipe the floor with him.

And look how that turned out. I wouldn't be sure of anything.
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People haven't realized it yet, but we've passed through, into the Mirror Universe already, and there's no going back. :boggled:
 
Mike! said:
People haven't realized it yet, but we've passed through, into the Mirror Universe already, and there's no going back. :boggled:
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I think that just as many on the right never really understood the left's visceral hate of Bush, most on the Left don't understand that to many on the right their hate for Hillary Clinton is worse than the left's hatred was of Bush and Cheney combined, at its height.

It's not that she's a Democratic representative (though that contributes to it), it's not that she's a woman (though that is an additional issue for some), and it's not that she's Bill Clinton's wife (though that too is a factor for some) it is mainly that she is Hillary Clinton and carries all the baggage of being Hillary Clinton.
 
Argumemnon said:
I don't know if I do. But I don't know where Roger gets that idea.
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The original Hillary supporter argument against Sanders was that Sanders was unelectable in the general, this was long ago demonstrated to be false, but memes don't depend upon being accurate to become fixtures of belief systems.
 
Trakar said:
The original Hillary supporter argument against Sanders was that Sanders was unelectable in the general, this was long ago demonstrated to be false, but memes don't depend upon being accurate to become fixtures of belief systems.
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It's true that without any negative campaigning against Sanders, he polls better against Trump than Clinton does. Of course, this ignores the fact that perceptions of Sanders will be altered by the negative campaign he would get from the Rs, while Clinton has already had that factored in. Ignoring the fact that Sanders isn't able to appeal to the majority of Dems, will be unable to appeal to the Rs, and will certainly lose some of his appeal to independents once mudslinging commences is a funny way of demonstrating how electable Sanders is.
 
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/2016results.pdf

Q22
If the candidates for President this fall were
Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
47% Hillary Clinton
40% Donald Trump
13% Not Sure

Q23
If the candidates for President next time were
Democrat Bernie Sanders and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
46% Bernie Sanders
42% Donald Trump
11% Not sure​

But it's early days yet. Once the nomination is over we will see how much support each candidate really has, as people rally around their party's choice.

Right now Sanders is being supported by republicans because they think he will be easier to beat, so they are being kind to him. An amazing sight to see - hardcore conservatives suddenly getting a more liberal outlook - just until he gets the nomination of course. Then they will turn on him like they did to Hillary and Obama.

Sadly we will never get to see that - sad because I won't get to say "I told you so".
 
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wareyin said:
It's true that without any negative campaigning against Sanders, he polls better against Trump than Clinton does. Of course, this ignores the fact that perceptions of Sanders will be altered ...
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Lalalalalala ... they can't hear you. :)
 
Roger Ramjets said:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/2016results.pdf

Q22
If the candidates for President this fall were
Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
47% Hillary Clinton
40% Donald Trump
13% Not Sure

Q23
If the candidates for President next time were
Democrat Bernie Sanders and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
46% Bernie Sanders
42% Donald Trump
11% Not sure​
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A bit selective in your poll preferences are you not?
A larger selection reveals a difference of consideration among the electorate.

FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Sanders +15
USA Today/Suffolk 2/11 - 2/15 Trump +1
Quinnipiac 2/2 - 2/4 Sanders +10
Quinnipiac 2/10 - 2/15 Sanders +6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 1/9 - 1/13 Sanders +15
PPP (D) 2/2 - 2/3 Sanders +4

Clinton v. Trump

FOX News 2/15 - 2/17 Clinton +5
USA Today/Suffolk 2/11 - 2/15 Trump +2
Quinnipiac 2/2 - 2/4 Clinton +5
Quinnipiac 2/10 - 2/15 Clinton +1
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 1/9 - 1/13 Clinton +10
PPP (D) 2/2 - 2/3 Clinton +7

Amazingly you seem to have found the one national poll in the last couple of months where Hillary polled slightly better than Sanders with regard to who would be the best candidate against Trump (even in the poll where Trump won, Bernie did better than Hillary). The majority of polling finds differently.
 
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logger said:
Lol

No, its because she's corrupt and not a very nice person.
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That is definitely a part of the baggage that most of the electorate, not just conservatives and evangelicals, associate with being Hillary Clinton.
 
The She Witch called and asked me to thank the HDS team for steering Bernie's team into GHM (Get Hillary Mode). It's not selling, kids!

The voters don't want to hear cherry-picked out-of-context quotes. Remember how well that worked with that niggra fella and his radical connections from his youth? His wife's "Get Whitey" speeches that didn't exist? His firebrand preacher? Bernie's got something to say? Say it? "Whaaa, I wanna see her paid speeches!" got him six votes in SC.

And you're outta time, gang! This isn't a house-flipping reality show. There's no way to get under the rickety old Bern Bus and fix all the things wrong with it in 48 hours, and there aren't enough hours of news coverage available to get back on message before votes start coming in in Virginia, Georgia, Massachusetts, et al. The voters have the impression that the Bern Bro are running things and it just seems like innuendo as usual. Didn't the elections of '04, '08, '12 teach us anything? People want something to vote FOR, not someone to vote against.

@Darat - could we change the name of the thread to The Realistice Hillary Clinton is Done Thread?
 
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