Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

[ComfySlippers]

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This forum (compared with others) seems to have developed a rather scary culture of violence and arrogance.

Violence? How is that possible? This is a forum on the internet.
Is your internet different to everybody else's?

This can be done apparently within strict rules, applied in a unbalanced way.

I wonder if it could be Randi who has injected these kinds of ideas into your minds (but he is probably not the only one who is responsible).

I'm fairly sure its been stated on a few occasions that Mr Randi didn't actually run the JREF Forum. You realise that this is a different forum now?

Injected ideas?
Are you now claiming that Mr Randi is also capable of projecting thoughts?
You and James Randi can project thoughts?
Telepathically ask him to pick a number from one to four.
He can telepathically answer you, surely?

The trouble is, you seem to be listening only to yourselves, and never want to change. I try to help you, to show you the way, but you don't care.

It's obvious that people are listening to you. Provable in fact.
Is that the real issue, you simply need someone to talk to?

Perhaps a different tactic might be needed.
You're a clever bloke. You have a PhD. You will have lots of interesting things to discuss with people.
Claiming to be telepathic is not one of those things however.
Most people don't believe in it. Because it doesn't exist.

Try to remember how many times you've attempted this.
It has never lead anywhere.
What happens during your long absences from posting?
What causes you to come back after a long absence and post exactly the same thing while expecting different results?
Do you forget all your previous attempts?
Why do you always return to this place in particular, whilst simultaneously posting on a newly chosen forum?

 

[Michel H]

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Why do you always return to this place in particular, whilst simultaneously posting on a newly chosen forum?

I do my online testing in various places and in various languages, I am not particularly focused or obsessed by this forum. I come back here, in spite of the difficulties because there have been some good posts made by other members in my threads (but less often lately). Also worthy of mentioning perhaps is the help abbadon (a member here) initially gave me to become a member of the Australian Skeptics (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11023277#post11023277).

 

[ComfySlippers]

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Also worthy of mentioning perhaps is the help abbadon (a member here) initially gave me to become a member of the Australian Skeptics
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Yes, abbadon is a good egg. Or is he evil... I always forget. ( )

People are, mostly, nice and helpful. Especially here.

You will notice that when a newcomer engages with you they will try to be helpful. You will then note that they will get tired of trying to be helpful.
There is a reason for this. You tend not to listen.

When you do listen you often hear what you want to hear.
quarky made a joke. You took it as serious.
That is a recurring theme. The answers people give to your test are mostly in jest.
Because..... your tests are a joke. Yet you take the ones you like as being serious. (Remember the "credibility rating"?)

You'll notice I added a to the end of my first sentence.
That's because it was a joke.
Most people will not feel it necessary to do this because they know that, to the reader, it will be obvious.

You seem unable to recognise humour, sarcasm etc.
You've been told this before many times.
However that doesn't mean that I am being nasty, name-calling or "violent".
I am simply pointing out a true, observable and provable fact.

You have been offered advice on how to get help dealing with your issues.
That's not something bad or nasty people do now is it.
No one here, or in any forum, can do any more than that to help you.
People saying "don't get involved" do so for your benefit, whether you believe it or not.

 

[jmontecillo01]

Hi Michel,

As I mentioned before, I suffer from schizoprenia-affective meaning shiz with bipolar. Though there is a lot of stigma associated with the illness, there is nothing to be ashamed of. It can happen to anybody. Like any other illness, it can be controlled (if not cured) by medication and proper therapy.

My first episode happened way back 1988. I thought I was god's chosen messenger. I was hospitalized for a few months. In the hospital, I thought everybody were actors. They were there because they envy the fact that god chose me. That was alright at first, but eventually, I started to believe that like Jesus, I would be crucified or burned alive. That belief made me think that if I would die, I'll do it my self to avoid a painful death. It's a good thing that the things like knife, or anything that can be used to commit suicide is not accessible to patients.

I saw "God's messages" everywhere. For example, if I see a sign in the park that says "Please keep our park clean - by order of park manager", I'll interpret is as God's message (the park manager) and do not mess up the world. I met a girl named Joss and I interpret her name as Dios (god). I thought she was my way to God. I emailed her a couple of jokes in an attempt to befriend her. Unfortunately, she interpreted this as harrasment.

I would try to do thought broadcasting to deliver "God's messages". I totally believed that everybody in the world can hear me but they are not acknowledging it to me because they envy me. As a normal human being, I also sometime think of things that can do harm to others such as "I hope you die". Of course, we never act on those thoughts. Since everybody can hear my thoughts, I tried my best to avoid harmful ones, by hitting my head against the wall and in some cases, I tried to kill myself.

I also believed that I have telekinetic powers. Sometimes, I would think of my love ones and that my actions can bring them harm. Again, I tried to kill myself to avoid those thoughts.

In the hospital, I met cutters (those who do self-harm). I know of people who tried to commit suicide to avoid the voices and thoughts. One of those is a person who thinks he is "James Bond" and talks to his cigarette lighter as if it was a two way radio. It seems funny but this guy tried to kill himself twice. Once, he got on a ferry, then jump into the water in an attempt to drown himself.

What I am trying to say here is if the illness is not attended to, it could lead to self-harm, or harm to others.

Please, examine what you are experiencing. See a doctor, just in case. The first road to cure is acceptance and then insight to the illness.

 

[Michel H]

Hi Michel,

As I mentioned before, I suffer from schizoprenia-affective meaning shiz with bipolar. Though there is a lot of stigma associated with the illness, there is nothing to be ashamed of. It can happen to anybody. Like any other illness, it can be controlled (if not cured) by medication and proper therapy.

My first episode happened way back 1988. I thought I was god's chosen messenger. I was hospitalized for a few months. In the hospital, I thought everybody were actors. They were there because they envy the fact that god chose me. That was alright at first, but eventually, I started to believe that like Jesus, I would be crucified or burned alive. That belief made me think that if I would die, I'll do it my self to avoid a painful death. It's a good thing that the things like knife, or anything that can be used to commit suicide is not accessible to patients.

I saw "God's messages" everywhere. For example, if I see a sign in the park that says "Please keep our park clean - by order of park manager", I'll interpret is as God's message (the park manager) and do not mess up the world. I met a girl named Joss and I interpret her name as Dios (god). I thought she was my way to God. I emailed her a couple of jokes in an attempt to befriend her. Unfortunately, she interpreted this as harrasment.

I would try to do thought broadcasting to deliver "God's messages". I totally believed that everybody in the world can hear me but they are not acknowledging it to me because they envy me. As a normal human being, I also sometime think of things that can do harm to others such as "I hope you die". Of course, we never act on those thoughts. Since everybody can hear my thoughts, I tried my best to avoid harmful ones, by hitting my head against the wall and in some cases, I tried to kill myself.

I also believed that I have telekinetic powers. Sometimes, I would think of my love ones and that my actions can bring them harm. Again, I tried to kill myself to avoid those thoughts.

In the hospital, I met cutters (those who do self-harm). I know of people who tried to commit suicide to avoid the voices and thoughts. One of those is a person who thinks he is "James Bond" and talks to his cigarette lighter as if it was a two way radio. It seems funny but this guy tried to kill himself twice. Once, he got on a ferry, then jump into the water in an attempt to drown himself.

What I am trying to say here is if the illness is not attended to, it could lead to self-harm, or harm to others.

Please, examine what you are experiencing. See a doctor, just in case. The first road to cure is acceptance and then insight to the illness.

I have tried to read your interesting explanations with a maximum of respect, jmontecillo01 ("01", not "007" ).

One of those is a person who thinks he is "James Bond" and talks to his cigarette lighter as if it was a two way radio. It seems funny but this guy tried to kill himself twice. Once, he got on a ferry, then jump into the water in an attempt to drown himself.

This makes him somewhat different from James Bond (you probably meant "then jumped into the water", but that's ok).

 

[abaddon]

Hi Michel,

As I mentioned before, I suffer from schizoprenia-affective meaning shiz with bipolar. Though there is a lot of stigma associated with the illness, there is nothing to be ashamed of. It can happen to anybody. Like any other illness, it can be controlled (if not cured) by medication and proper therapy.

My first episode happened way back 1988. I thought I was god's chosen messenger. I was hospitalized for a few months. In the hospital, I thought everybody were actors. They were there because they envy the fact that god chose me. That was alright at first, but eventually, I started to believe that like Jesus, I would be crucified or burned alive. That belief made me think that if I would die, I'll do it my self to avoid a painful death. It's a good thing that the things like knife, or anything that can be used to commit suicide is not accessible to patients.

I saw "God's messages" everywhere. For example, if I see a sign in the park that says "Please keep our park clean - by order of park manager", I'll interpret is as God's message (the park manager) and do not mess up the world. I met a girl named Joss and I interpret her name as Dios (god). I thought she was my way to God. I emailed her a couple of jokes in an attempt to befriend her. Unfortunately, she interpreted this as harrasment.

I would try to do thought broadcasting to deliver "God's messages". I totally believed that everybody in the world can hear me but they are not acknowledging it to me because they envy me. As a normal human being, I also sometime think of things that can do harm to others such as "I hope you die". Of course, we never act on those thoughts. Since everybody can hear my thoughts, I tried my best to avoid harmful ones, by hitting my head against the wall and in some cases, I tried to kill myself.

I also believed that I have telekinetic powers. Sometimes, I would think of my love ones and that my actions can bring them harm. Again, I tried to kill myself to avoid those thoughts.

In the hospital, I met cutters (those who do self-harm). I know of people who tried to commit suicide to avoid the voices and thoughts. One of those is a person who thinks he is "James Bond" and talks to his cigarette lighter as if it was a two way radio. It seems funny but this guy tried to kill himself twice. Once, he got on a ferry, then jump into the water in an attempt to drown himself.

What I am trying to say here is if the illness is not attended to, it could lead to self-harm, or harm to others.

Please, examine what you are experiencing. See a doctor, just in case. The first road to cure is acceptance and then insight to the illness.

I applaud your willingness to share what must be most difficult. Sadly, it appears Michel is not listening.

 

[fromdownunder]

I know that I should not have done it, but I played a game with Michel a couple of days ago, citing random things, and every time I posted, Michel came back with an Ooh! Ooh! Me Too! Me Too! I was thinking about that as well. So, after I posted random stuff, he claimed to have been thinking and spreading the word earlier.

First example:

How is it that New York came into my thoughts when reading this thread? Is somebody else spreading the mental word who does not want publicity but wants us to think about New York, or was I just being facetious about song lyrics, and thinking about and listening to a song by Frank Sinatra?

Michel's response:

I have to admit that I thought recently about doing a telepathy test whose "target" would be a popular singer, and I thought about Sinatra and Presley ("did I write Sinatra, or Presley, or ..."). You may have gotten that.

Again

No, I got Judy Garland. Was she on your potential list that you just made up to respond to my post?

Michel's response:

I thought about Judy Garland recently too, because of the movie The Wizard of Oz.

Again

Then a third stanza. I tried something a bit different. After Michel suggested that when I mentioned ABBA suggested some form of international terrorism, I wrote

I was talking about ABBA, which is something I mentally heard.

Michel's response:

A few days ago, they announced on Belgian radio a "ABBA in Symphony" concert (date: February 25, 2016; location: in Brussels, near my home)

It is, oh, me too, me too stuff. I could mention Garry Ablett, and Michel would probably claim that he knows who he is because he sent it first, and thought about him yesterday, and sent out his thoughts.

I will not attempt to try to provide a motive for his reactions, but he does tend to respond to lots of stuff by saying, oh yes, I was thinking about that, you must have heard my thoughts.

Which also makes his idea of one - four pretty silly, since he agreed that he was thinking about New York,. and if that started wandering around the world, how are we supposed to know that it was not interfering with his other conscious or unconscious thoughts.

This will be my last post on this thread.

Norm

 

[jmontecillo01]

^^^

People suffering from schiz see patterns/coincidences where there is none.

Called apophenia from the Greek apo [away from] + phaenein [to show]) to reflect the fact that a schizophrenic initially experiences delusion as revelation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia.

 

[Michel H]

I have not yet given the results of my latest test on this forum, I shall do this now. My opening post was:

Hi, I invite you to participate in a simple telepathy test.

At about 9:00 p.m. on this Tuesday February 23 (Brussels, Belgium time), I wrote carefully one of the four words: "Sydney", "Brisbane", "Auckland" and "Hamilton" (names of large cities in Australia or in New Zealand) on my sheet of paper, and I surrounded it with a rough ellipse. Then, I wrote it again twice.

I shall repeat this word from time to time during this test, and I ask you to write it here (if you think you know it, even with a doubt). You may also answer "I don't know". It might perhaps be useful also that you say how confident you are in your answer.
The correct answer was

I also request that you let me know your geographical location (for example: "I am in Sydney", or "I am in New York", or "I am in London"; this may be important to me, because I want to study possible correlations between telepathy and distance).

Thank you for participating.

Notes:
1) I am also doing this test on the Australasian Skeptics Forum: http://australasianskeptics.info/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2848
2) An excellent (and correct) answer kindly provided by Tiktaalik in a previous test was:
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Two valid (i.e. equal to one of the four cities mentioned above) were given. First, JohnnyG:

My prediction...
Should you get enough replies here to perform statistics (which is doubtful), approximately 25% of them will be correct.

I'll kick it off by guessing Brisbane.

and next marplots:

I have the feeling it's Brisbane as well.

Both JohnnyG and marplots got attacked by other members for having participated in my test. Below you can see marplots' reaction:

Don't play with the mentally ill

That is my usual policy. In this case, I thought if all of us answered the same, it would skew the results away from the predicted 25%, in a very dramatic way.

I wouldn't want to directly harm someone I don't know though. Is it the mere engagement that does the harm? That seems like a pretty stiff standard.

marplots' statement that he gave an answer to this test in order to "skew results" makes his answer non-credible, in my opinion. Similarly, I find JohnnyG's comment

My prediction...
Should you get enough replies here to perform statistics (which is doubtful), approximately 25% of them will be correct.

I'll kick it off by guessing Brisbane.

slightly negative, though he said at the end

I'll kick it off by guessing Brisbane

which was relatively friendly, because it encourages others to answer (indeed, this did happen).

The correct answer was Hamilton.

So, no correct answer was given, and the two incorrect answers were found to be not credible (for reasons unrelated to the fact they were incorrect (because Brisbane was answered instead of Hamilton)). This is in line with my usual observation that incorrect answers tend to be not credible and vice versa.

It is also interesting to mention that the answers I got in all of the five latest tests I did either on this forum, or on the Australasian Skeptics forum, were all incorrect (there were eleven of them).

 

[fagin]

So are you now convinced that no one can read your mind, or anyone else's?

 

[Daylightstar]

Michel H, the audio recordings:

So, Michel H, while we wait for you to post some audio you claim you have, what kind of insignificant physical problem did the voices cause you to experience?:

Like I said, you're still alive.
What kind of insignificant physical problem did those voice cause you to experience?
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[Michel H]

So are you now convinced that no one can read your mind, or anyone else's?

No, not at all. In fact, it is rather the opposite which is true. If I do a long series of telepathy tests with, say, a total of 1000 answers in tests with four possible choices (like: "Did I write 1, or 2, or 3, or 4?"), and everybody gives a incorrect answer, this should be viewed as evidence for telepathy, because, if there is no telepathy, I should get about 250 (instead of zero) correct answers. In addition, when credibility analysis enters the picture, I get an even more powerful method of analysis. Also, I can note that there is a tendency to get a very low hit rate in tests done on skeptical sites, and a higher hit rate on other sites; this probably has a meaning that a serious investigator of telepathy cannot ignore. To be clear, I believe I can reasonably conclude that test participants on skeptical sites probably knew the target, but (often) deliberately decided to give a wrong answer. Frequently, they also give some clues about their states of mind in their answers.

 

[Michel H]

Michel H, the audio recordings:

A few days ago, the level of aggressive noise in my apartment got so high that I decided to open Audacity to record it. However, after I started recording, the noise stopped.

 

[abaddon]

A few days ago, the level of aggressive noise in my apartment got so high that I decided to open Audacity to record them. However, after I started recording, the noise stopped.

Sure it did.

 

[fromdownunder]

A few days ago, the level of aggressive noise in my apartment got so high that I decided to open Audacity to record them. However, after I started recording, the noise stopped.

I have a very similar situation. I can levitate and stay in the air for up to an hour, but only in my house when nobody else is there, and all the curtains are closed. I suspect that others being present makes the atmosphere heavier, increases gravitational pull, and in general sends out negative ether rays to either accidentally or deliberately negate my powers.

I suspect that it is the latter.

Norm

 

[ComfySlippers]

I have a very similar situation. I can levitate and stay in the air for up to an hour, but only in my house when nobody else is there, and all the curtains are closed. I suspect that others being present makes the atmosphere heavier, increases gravitational pull, and in general sends out negative ether rays to either accidentally or deliberately negate my powers.

I suspect that it is the latter.

Norm

You too?

The same happens with my levitation. But it also depends on the room I'm in.
Sometimes when other people are in the room they deny seeing me levitate.
This only proves that I am levitating of course.

 

[Daylightstar]

A few days ago, the level of aggressive noise in my apartment got so high that I decided to open Audacity to record them. However, after I started recording, the noise stopped.

So you have no audio from a couple of days ago.
No sweat.
Simply let us hear your earlier audio, which you said you had made.

 

[Daylightstar]

You too?

The same happens with my levitation. But it also depends on the room I'm in.
Sometimes when other people are in the room they deny seeing me levitate.
This only proves that I am levitating of course.

Such a concidence, same here.
Except that I had a university Phd professor make video of it, write up a review and notarized, signed (with signatures no less) statements concerning my feat.

On his way to university however he got in an accident, everything including the Phd professor got burned to ashes, nothing was left.
It was even in the newspapers.

Unfortunate all of this, but that doesn't mean me levitating didn't happen, of course.

 

[Michel H]

So you have no audio from a couple of days ago.
No sweat.
Simply let us hear your earlier audio, which you said you had made.

As I have told you before, I prefer not to do this (I still have the audio recordings, but, because of recording with a cheap, entry-level computer with a small microphone, they are much less impressive than the real-life thing).

 

[Michel H]

I have a very similar situation. I can levitate and stay in the air for up to an hour ...

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The same happens with my levitation. ...

All of this is very amazing. I can't levitate, but I once was able to convince a moderator of the Randi Educational forum to post this amazing statement (in one of my telepathy tests):

I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.

I didn't know him personally.