The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

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Bjarne said:
That’s correct, and when falling down the stairs you will lose this relatevistic mass again (it will be converted to kinetic energy etc)..
Energy = mass, - so where you have energy increase, regardless whether it is so called potential, - you have mass increase too.
This leads at least me to the speculation whether it is the relativistic mass that exerts the extra pull in space, and only this part that disturb the space tension balance at a given point, and therefore only the relativistic part that pull you back to ground
If you can find a technic to eliminated the relativistic achieved mass/energy, - you will be weightless, and if you can find a technic to reduce even more, you will be repelled and have invented a anti-gravity technic.
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So how much does my mass increase as I rise 100 meters?
 
Reality Check said:
More like spell checking changing the meaning of a sentence as anyone who knows about physics would suspect Bjarne :p.
The probably correct post:

Your "feel the tension of the elastic ether" gibberish means nothing.
The gain in gravitational potential energy itself cannot be felt by climbing a few flights of stairs. The work done to gain that gravitational potential energy can certainly be felt!
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Actually, positional energy is one of many forms of potential energy.
Merely trying to be accurate.

That Bjarne thinks it is nonsense is not surprising.

Hans
 
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Dancing David said:
So how much does my mass increase as I rise 100 meters?
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'You' don't increase in mass at all. However, there is an increase in mass in the gravitational field between that connects you with the center of the earth according to special relativity.

The gravitational potential energy isn't really located in your body. It is actually located in the gravitational field between you and the earth. You have to include the energy density of the gravitational field.

Now if an outsider in deep space does work to lift you to the top of the stairs, neither your body nor the matter of the earth has changed. The work has increased the energy of the gravitational field. It is in the gravitational field that all the potential energy is located.

So you don't increase mass. The gravitational field has increased mass.


However, suppose that you climb the stairs on you own volition. Then, you are merely exchanging chemical potential energy of your body for the gravitational potential energy. You lose relativistic mass this way. In addition, you are expiring carbon dioxide and water. So you are losing mass. So if you climb the stairs with only your own energy and resources, then you losing mass.

In neither scenario does you body gain mass.
 
Bjarne said:
That’s correct, and when falling down the stairs you will lose this relatevistic mass again (it will be converted to kinetic energy etc)..
Energy = mass, - so where you have energy increase, regardless whether it is so called potential, - you have mass increase too.
This leads at least me to the speculation whether it is the relativistic mass that exerts the extra pull in space, and only this part that disturb the space tension balance at a given point, and therefore only the relativistic part that pull you back to ground
If you can find a technic to eliminated the relativistic achieved mass/energy, - you will be weightless, and if you can find a technic to reduce even more, you will be repelled and have invented a anti-gravity technic.
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No, just NO!!
 
MRC_Hans said:
Actually, positional energy is one of many forms of potential energy.
Merely trying to be accurate.

That Bjarne thinks it is nonsense is not surprising.

Hans
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E=Mc²..makes no sense if you cannot point to M, because M must be physical, otherwise the essence of the equation E=Mc² is no existing nonsense.
Just one of several hints that all point to that something went wrong. But a lot more, will step by step show that the theory of relativity must be simplified, and will in the process be very logical and no longer conflict with common sense.
 
Bjarne said:
E=Mc²..makes no sense if you cannot point to M, because M must be physical, otherwise the essence of the equation E=Mc² is no existing nonsense.
Just one of several hints that all point to that something went wrong. But a lot more, will step by step show that the theory of relativity must be simplified, and will in the process be very logical and no longer conflict with common sense.
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Why should nature conform to your common sense?
 
Bjarne said:
..........Energy = mass........
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Really. How interesting. You must have redefined two perfectly well understood terms so that are now synonyms. Have you changed the meaning of one, or both? What units do we now use to measure, say, mass?

:rolleyes:

It might be best if you were to go away and digest the lessons in this thread before you start making your extraordinary new discovery look just a little silly. Maybe you could learn a little maths at the same time.
 
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