Continuation Part 20: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[acbytesla]

Police analysed Amanda's bank account and concluded she was unaccountably richer by the same amount that was missing. Amanda notified police at a later date that her rent money of this amount remained untouched and unstolen in her room.

Total bull feces. Who testified in court to this? Tell me when you find it because hell will be frozen over by then.

 

[Desert Fox]

If Amanda had been the one at home and Meredeth had been out, Amanda would have been the one murdered. . . . .

 

[bagels]

If Amanda had been the one at home and Meredeth had been out, Amanda would have been the one murdered. . . . .

But Amanda was a star athlete who would be able to defend herself. Rudy must have needed help to kill her. Meredith claims she was at the British friends house and they all back her up, but perhaps all four of them tried to force some sort of erotic game onto Amanda because she refused to stop her bad guitar playing.

 

[Vixen]

If Amanda had been the one at home and Meredeth had been out, Amanda would have been the one murdered. . . . .

Not if she was the murderer. Alone of all the students, Amanda was in no hurry to get out of Perugia

 

[bagels]

Not if she was the murderer. Alone of all the students, Amanda was in no hurry to get out of Perugia

I think she was self absorbed and didn't want some inconvenient event ruining her dream vacation. It was a fatal mistake. She should have taken the first flight out. I certainly would have if the person sleeping next door to me was slaughtered in the night.

 

[acbytesla]

As you should be able to compute your digestion timeline doesn't work. There is no evidence that Raf cooked that night.

50% of stomach contents emptied 2.5 to 3 hours
Total emptying of the stomach 4 to 5 hours
50% emptying of the small intestine 2.5 to 3 hours
Transit through the colon 30 to 40 hour​

Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence.

 

[Desert Fox]

I think she was self absorbed and didn't want some inconvenient event ruining her dream vacation. It was a fatal mistake. She should have taken the first flight out. I certainly would have if the person sleeping next door to me was slaughtered in the night.

She also expected the cops to actually be competent. Of course even in the US, this is not a given.

 

[bagels]

She also expected the cops to actually be competent. Of course even in the US, this is not a given.

Also to be fair we have no way of knowing what Amanda would have done after the 5th, maybe she would have ultimately left too. Sophie Purton was still in Italy on the 5th at least.

 

[Bill Williams]

As I said, it was the known spot for drug-dealing in the area, just like the cathedral steps. There is plenty of testimony that establishes Piazza Grimana was a druggie meeting place.

It could be the kids arranged a drug deal in the old town that early evening and delivery was supplied by a dug courier (Kokomani?) at the Piazza Grimna, as arranged.

It is a fact Raff and Amanda were evasive about their trip into the old town that day.

I ask for the record of communication and your response is, "it could be"!?

You say it is a fact that they are evasive, yet cite nothing?

We're no further along than your original groundless assertions.

 

[Grinder]

Not if she was the murderer. Alone of all the students, Amanda was in no hurry to get out of Perugia

Yes. yes. yes. If she had run as her mother and aunt urged it would have been another circumstantial piece of evidence of guilt but she stayed which was a circumstantial piece of evidence she was guilty.

Meredith was dead by the time Curatolo saw them or didn't.

 

[Mike1711]

The PGP practically climbed over themselves to praise how charming and sympathetic Guede came across on TV. Machiavelli in particular sung his praises saying he was extremely personable, he speaks so effectively, etc.

I may now see the light. Guede almost conned his way out of being caught at a burglary.

Ted Bundy was charming, good looking, eloquent and a complete psychopath.

I will leave Machiavelli to further extol the admirable facets of his personality whilst the rest of us normal folk dwell on the fact that he was an evil monster.

 

[acbytesla]

I think she was self absorbed and didn't want some inconvenient event ruining her dream vacation. It was a fatal mistake. She should have taken the first flight out. I certainly would have if the person sleeping next door to me was slaughtered in the night.

They say "hindsight is 20/20", but the truth is its not. "If only I had taken a different path the result would have been different or better." Not always and sometimes the result might have been worse.

I've never been big on second guessing other's or my actions based on what is known today since that's impossible.

Amanda knew she was innocent and couldn't imagine that anyone could come to the moronic conclusion she wasn't. The PGP see guilt in every nuance of Amanda's and Raffaele's behavior but are blind to the one behavior that screams innocence. They stayed, they didn't panic. They didn't flee. They could have gone to Gubbio, but they didnt. Amanda could have been on the train to Germany the next day, but she wasnt. Raffaele could have gone home to his Dad. But he didn't. 99.9 percent of us if involved would quickly as possible leave.

Now who demonstrated that behavior? Rudy.

 

[Mike1711]

You are wrong.

From the Massei Report (Public Domain):

"... oesophagus containing a fragment
apparently a piece of mushroom (page 46) ... stomach containing 500 cc alimentary
bolus, green brown in which were recognizable caseosis (mozzarella?) and vegetable
fibre ... empty duodenum, small intestine containing digested material in the last
loop ...‛

Mignini believes this mozarella was that served by Amanda, and we know Raff prepared a stir-fry of mushrooms and vegetables (and by his own account).

Quote (ibid): He stated that the emptying of the stomach occurs between a minimum of two
hours and a maximum of four hours after the meal is consumed (page 62,
transcripts) and also confirmed that the duodenum was empty (page 63). Answering
specific questions from the defence of Raffaele Sollecito, Dr. Lalli stated that death
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had intervened two to three hours after eating (page 47), while reaffirming that the
emptying of the stomach generally occurs between two hours and a maximum of 4
hours after eating (page 62, hearing on April 3, 2009). He added, however, that the
digestive process is influenced by many factors like the type of meal, cold, stress,
physical conditions and so on, and that to his knowledge there were no reliable
studies that could establish "by how much the digestive process can be changed by
these factors"
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Massei_Report_(English)

There is no mention of undigested apple crumble and pizza in its entireity.

Once again, we have a complete lack of candour from you, window-dressed with a hectoring didactic tone to give the appearance of unwarranted pompous authority.

Given that an entire pizza 15 inches in diameter is way less than 500cc this would mean the entire pizza was still in MK's stomach.

This adds fuel to the defence timeline of events and destroys yours.

 

[Mike1711]

The attack must have happened later. I can think of no other explanation. And neither can anyone else. The attack must start at ~21:30. The only alternative explanation is Rudy left and came back, or there was a second accomplice.

I would suggest that Rudy did a lot of talking to defuse being caught and things got out of hand leading to a tragic turn of events.

Why would it be necessary for smooth talking Rudy to immediately resort to murder?

 

[bagels]

I would suggest that Rudy did a lot of talking to defuse being caught and things got out of hand leading to a tragic turn of events.

Why would it be necessary for smooth talking Rudy to immediately resort to murder?

This is the theory someone on IIP proposed and I agree though not perfect it makes the most sense given the evidence, for now.

 

[Mike1711]

Delete

 

[Mike1711]

It doesn't work. Rudy applied thee towels as tourniquets. This doesn't indicate someone in a state of confusion.

It certainly sounds like someone using a tourniquet on a throat wound is either an idiot or completely confused.

 

[Grinder]

Given that an entire pizza 15 inches in diameter is way less than 500cc this would mean the entire pizza was still in MK's stomach.

This adds fuel to the defence timeline of events and destroys yours.

The 500 cc includes digestive fluids as well as other intake besides the pizza. It is perfectly clear she was dead by 10 pm. Everything points to that fact.

 

[acbytesla]

It certainly sounds like someone using a tourniquet on a throat wound is either an idiot or completely confused.

Yea, it kinda defeats the purpose.

Never mind that you're stopping the air flow to the lungs, you're also stopping the blood from reaching the brain.

What kills you faster?

 

[Vixen]

Also to be fair we have no way of knowing what Amanda would have done after the 5th, maybe she would have ultimately left too. Sophie Purton was still in Italy on the 5th at least.

...in Rome.