Continuation Part 20: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[bagels]

LOL He would need a key to get in downstairs, but needed to climb a 12'6" sheer wall to access the ground floor. Brilliant logic.

You can climb a 100 foot wall with the aid of a ladder. The metal bars on the side of the house created one. And this is precisely how he climbed the "12' sheer wall" to access the law office.

 

[Vixen]

From Rudy's diary:

So I tried to speak to her and calm her down, saying that a girl shouldn't get upset or she'll get wrinkles, and she laughed. I told her to laugh because everything would eventually work out. It was enough to wait and speak to her (Amanda) and to the other girls, if they knew something. She calmed down and talked about the previous evening, the party, me, and her. We were more or less similar. From what I understood, her parents were separated and this had affected her teenage years. She was more or less like me, not much extroverted. I also had- in different ways- a perturbed childhood and adolescence, I told her, but one falls down and then gets up. She had something special. She asked me about my life, my parents. I told her I had many mothers and fathers and brothers/sisters, but none of these would be mine forever, and she understood that I had lived with many families, and I don't have true parents, and she told me it's better to have many, than have none.

We talked, and at this point, I told her that I needed to go to the bathroom.


Maybe the bathroom part came first (when she came home) and he tried to go out the front, but it was locked. And this lead to the confrontation where he tried to calm her down. Maybe Rudy took things too far and this escalated into a sexual assault.

As Rudy indicated in his recent tv broadcast with RAI3, both he and Amanda took exception to Mez' increasing agitation about her missing rent money. This was a real party pooper for the impromptu partygoers and they all joined in attacking Mez, which was the reason for the party. Scores settled, fantasies fulfilled and gratuitous sex taken.

 

[bagels]

As Rudy indicated in his recent tv broadcast with RAI3, both he and Amanda took exception to Mez' increasing agitation about her missing rent money. This was a real party pooper for the impromptu partygoers and they all joined in attacking Mez, which was the reason for the party. Scores settled, fantasies fulfilled and gratuitous sex taken.

The only person who has ever mentioned her missing rent money is an unemployed lying thief. Hmmm I wonder what happened to it

 

[Vixen]

..... and the record of communication between those three to arrange this is, what?

As I said, it was the known spot for drug-dealing in the area, just like the cathedral steps. There is plenty of testimony that establishes Piazza Grimana was a druggie meeting place.

It could be the kids arranged a drug deal in the old town that early evening and delivery was supplied by a dug courier (Kokomani?) at the Piazza Grimna, as arranged.

It is a fact Raff and Amanda were evasive about their trip into the old town that day.

 

[Grinder]

I completely agree.

And regarding the last sentence: this is the very reason why ToD from stomach contents can be calculated with a lot more accuracy than usual (especially in terms of providing a latest reasonable time of death). Had Kercher not happened to reside at the far end of the bell curve for T(lag), her stomach would already have started emptying into her duodenum (and beyond) by the time she arrived back at the cottage at 9.00pm. If that had been the case, then the autopsy would have found some food matter in her stomach, some in her duodenum, and some further down in the small intestine. And it would then have been empirically impossible to narrow down ToD with anywhere near the same level of accuracy. In fact, the only thing one would have been able to conclude with confidence would be that Kercher had to have died some time before around 11.30pm (otherwise her stomach would have been totally empty at autopsy).

But that wasn't the case here. Kercher still had all of that meal inside her stomach at autopsy. Which means, by definition, that her T(lag) had to have been >= 2.5 hours (since we know she was alive at 9.00pm, some 2.5 hours after starting the meal). And the critical point is that for the small proportion of people with T(lag) >= 2.5 hours, evidence shows that their T(lag) is hugely more likely to fall into the 2.5-3.0hr range than into the > 3.0hr range, that it's almost unheard of to have a T(lag) longer than 3.5 hours, and that it's to all intents impossible for their T(lag) to fall any later than 4 hours.

And when applied to this case, it means that Kercher very likely died between 9.00pm and 9.30pm, that she almost certainly died before 10.00pm, and that there is no way she could have died any later than 10.30pm.

Without disputing the bulk of this, I would add that if Lalli ********** up and there was some chyme in the duodenum, the fact that her stomach contained an amount of food that approximated what she had eaten IOW very little had possibly moved down it would still mean that she couldn't have been alive more than 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours after eating which would put death no later than 10.

The 11:30 TOD just doesn't work. Not even with Curatolo.

 

[Vixen]

The only person who has ever mentioned her missing rent money is an unemployed lying thief. Hmmm I wonder what happened to it

Mez' bank confirmed Mez had withdrawn the equivalent amount from her account ahead of the 1st November, when it was due and police confirm the cash withdrawn was missing.

 

[bagels]

Mez' bank confirmed Mez had withdrawn the equivalent amount from her account ahead of the 1st November, when it was due and police confirm the cash withdrawn was missing.

That's not what's in dispute. It's who stole it. The only person who claims to know what happened to it is a lying unemployed thief. We can easily draw a conclusion.

 

[Vixen]

Without disputing the bulk of this, I would add that if Lalli ********** up and there was some chyme in the duodenum, the fact that her stomach contained an amount of food that approximated what she had eaten IOW very little had possibly moved down it would still mean that she couldn't have been alive more than 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours after eating which would put death no later than 10.

The 11:30 TOD just doesn't work. Not even with Curatolo.

If she ate by 17:30 at her friend's pad, then by 19:30 it was digested into her duodenum. By the time she confonted her attackers, she evacuated her bowels and her lower intestine was part empty and her duodenum empty, being the part that passed down. Circa 21:30 she was made to partake of an unwelcome stir-fry mushroom and vegetables, with mozarella - ubiquitous in Italian cooking - and as prepared by Raff. It was this meal that was found undigested in her stomach and gullet.

Sophie Purton and the others confirmed no mushroom or alcohol had been served at the earlier meal. The earlier meal was pizza (dough), not vegetables. And in any case, had been digested and evacuated.

 

[Vixen]

That's not what's in dispute. It's who stole it. The only person who claims to know what happened to it is a lying unemployed thief. We can easily draw a conclusion.

Police analysed Amanda's bank account and concluded she was unaccountably richer by the same amount that was missing. Amanda notified police at a later date that her rent money of this amount remained untouched and unstolen in her room.

 

[Vixen]

You can climb a 100 foot wall with the aid of a ladder. The metal bars on the side of the house created one. And this is precisely how he climbed the "12' sheer wall" to access the law office.

The question wasn't, "How?", it was, "Why?"

 

[bagels]

Police analysed Amanda's bank account and concluded she was unaccountably richer by the same amount that was missing.

lol. Did amanda make a deposit of exactly $300 with the note: stolen drug money from my roommate.

 

[Vixen]

My final timeline (for now), based on my best truth™:

~20:45 Rudy breaks into the cottage to rob it, in the same manner and way he breaks into the law office. He casually makes himself at home, like at the nursery and law office, and takes a drink from the fridge.

~21:00 Rudy goes to use the toilet. Meredith arrives home. He quietly waits and listens to when she goes to the other side of the house, and then he attempts to leave out the front door. It's locked.

~21:05-21:35 Meredith confronts Rudy. At first she's angry but they do know each other and he uses his charm and relaxed manner to calm her down. He comes up with some story for being there and they chat for a time.

~21:35 Rudy's delusion carries him too far and he makes unwanted advances on Meredith. Or Meredith discovers the break-in and freaks out. She runs back to her room to get her keys or phone, Rudy follows her and attacks her.

~21:58 Rudy has finished the attack and cleaned himself up, he looks at her phone to make sure she didn't call anyone, accidentally pushing a couple buttons in the process.

~22:00+ he leaves out the back and quickly cancels a beeping incoming download as he's walking, which causes him to realize how hot these phones are so he dumps them.

None of this fits in with forensic evidence, eye witnesses and other circumstantial evidence.

 

[Vixen]

lol. Did amanda make a deposit of exactly $300 with the note: stolen drug money from my roommate.

Why on earth would a random burglar steal €300 from Mez, but not from Amanda?

 

[bagels]

If she ate by 17:30 at her friend's pad, then by 19:30 it was digested into her duodenum. By the time she confonted her attackers, she evacuated her bowels and her lower intestine was part empty and her duodenum empty, being the part that passed down. Circa 21:30 she was made to partake of an unwelcome stir-fry mushroom and vegetables, with mozarella - ubiquitous in Italian cooking - and as prepared by Raff. It was this meal that was found undigested in her stomach and gullet.

Sophie Purton and the others confirmed no mushroom or alcohol had been served at the earlier meal. The earlier meal was pizza (dough), not vegetables. And in any case, had been digested and evacuated.

We can't invent or change evidence we don't like. If we could I would have Rudy out of the cottage by 21:30 because it makes everything easier. Meredith still had the apple crumble in her stomach, this is undisputed.

The mushroom she allegedly ate (not sure about this one) might have happened while chatting with Guede while he was busy charming his way out of being caught alone at the cottage.

 

[bagels]

Why on earth would a random burglar steal €300 from Mez, but not from Amanda?

Because he didn't see it, obviously.

 

[Grinder]

LOL He would need a key to get in downstairs, but needed to climb a 12'6" sheer wall to access the ground floor. Brilliant logic.

Didn't you show us pictures of the downstairs with iron security bars over windows and the doors?

 

[bagels]

None of this fits in with forensic evidence, eye witnesses and other circumstantial evidence.

Forensic evidence: 16 bloody shoeprints belonging to Rudy. Rudy's DNA inside Meredith and on her purse. Rudy's bloody palm print next to her body.

Eye witnesses: Cottage all clear between 22:30 and 23:20

Circumstantial evidence: Rudy is a burglar who climbed into a second story law office by smashing the window with a rock. The cottage had a rock smashed second story window.


Yeah it doesn't fit at all

 

[Grinder]

As I said, it was the known spot for drug-dealing in the area, just like the cathedral steps. There is plenty of testimony that establishes Piazza Grimana was a druggie meeting place.

It could be the kids arranged a drug deal in the old town that early evening and delivery was supplied by a dug courier (Kokomani?) at the Piazza Grimna, as arranged.

It is a fact Raff and Amanda were evasive about their trip into the old town that day.

Damn the fact they didn't test positive for these alleged drugs. Koko was there and he knew Rudi and most likely was the wheel man for Rudi and the murderer.

 

[bagels]

Rudy's diary mentions checking Amanda's drawer for rent money and not seeing anything. I think he's confusing Laura's room for Amanda's, possibly because it had the guitar and media reports may have talked about Amanda's guitar playing since it was the last thing she said she did with Meredith on the 1st. Laura's top underwear drawer was found open the next day.

 

[Grinder]

Why on earth would a random burglar steal €300 from Mez, but not from Amanda?

Didn't see Amanda's where she hid it.

He recalled the data from various testimonies, from which, as he observed, it emerged that at around 18:00-18:30 pm, Meredith began to eat a homemade pizza with various toppings (cheese, mozzarella, eggplant and perhaps also onions) and then ate apple crumble with ice cream. This meal ended at about 20:30 pm, so he considered that the mealtime lasted from 18:30 to 20:30 pm.
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Massei summary.

Food is mixed with gastric juice. Strong muscular contractions in the stomach wall reduce the food to chyme – a thick milky material. The pyloric sphincter at the lower end of the stomach slowly releases chyme into the duodenum. Emptying the stomach takes 2–6 hours.

Time to empty
Small intestine
It takes 3–5 hours from entry to the duodenum to exit from the ileum. The small intestine’s structure of folds, villi and microvilli increases the absorptive surface area and allows maximum exposure to enzymes and complete absorption of the end products of digestion.​

As you should be able to compute your digestion timeline doesn't work. There is no evidence that Raf cooked that night.

50% of stomach contents emptied 2.5 to 3 hours
Total emptying of the stomach 4 to 5 hours
50% emptying of the small intestine 2.5 to 3 hours
Transit through the colon 30 to 40 hour​