Merged So there was melted steel

[DGM]

I just came across this unanswered question while researching the thread archives.

In his book, THE LONGEST NIGHT, 10 - 11 May 1942 Voices from the London Blitz, Gavin Mortimer wrote about the use of thermite in incendiaries.

“A solitary incendiary bomb was a straightforward piece of ordnance. In size and shape it resembled the truncheon of a London policeman, and its 1 kg weight was also similar. A British Government handbook at the start of the Blitz described an incendiary bomb as ‘designed to give an intensive combustion at a high temperature by burning the body of an electron which is ignited by the ‘thermite’. To the average slum dweller in Stepney or Southwark, it was all gobbledgook. All they knew was that for a few moments an incendiary bomb burned very brightly and with a strange ‘psss-psss-psss’ sound.” pg.110

“And as the [German] crews of KGr100 prepared for take off shortly after 10 p.m. most of their aircraft carried in each of their eight bomb chutes four ‘breadbaskets’. Four breadbaskets in one chute equalled 144 single incendiary bombs. Multiplied by eight, each Heinkel that taxied down the grassy L-shaped runway at Vannes was carrying 1,152 incendiary bombs.” pg.111

“But what the handbook hadn’t described in any great depth was the incinerating qualities of just one incendiary bomb. For approximately fifty seconds it burned at 2,500C as the thermite priming produced its own oxygen. When this fantastic heat had melted and ignited the main magnesium component of the bomb it continued to burn for twenty minutes at temperatures of 1,300C.”
pg.146-147

Consider your question answered Dave!

I hate to tell you but Dave is not wrong. He states that there was not any thermite incendiaries with thermite as the main ingredient. Your link confirms this, Thermite was used as a starter and burned for under a minute. The amount of molten metal left from that would be very small.

 

[beachnut]

... Consider your question answered Dave!

But it is not a thermite bomb... does this mean the question is not answered...
Thermite was used to ignite the magnesium. The magnesium was the bomb, the casing was the bomb. Why magnesium? Because you can carry a lot of magnesium bombs, they are light weight, and the casing is the bomb that burns for much longer than the thermite.

The magnesium has 5 times the heat energy of thermite and burns hotter... burns longer... next

A bomb which used thermite to light the bomb - not a thermite bomb, a magnesium bomb with a thermite fuse - the thermite burns up quickly, and the magnesium takes over; the magnesium is hard to put out.

Got any evidence for your 911 truth claims yet? Any melted steel evidence yet? Anything besides a movement of rotten apples, yet?


You found a magnesium bomb.

 

[Travis]

Hard to believe my thread is still going. Man. I thought it was such a simple request too.

 

[MicahJava]

Any melted steel evidence yet?

I never saw what was wrong with the fudge brownie. It came from a museum and Steven Jones said he tested a chunk of it and it was iron. Although, of course, the results haven't been published or confirmed by anyone else.

 

[beachnut]

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I never saw what was wrong with the fudge brownie. It came from a museum and Steven Jones said he tested a chunk of it and it was iron. Although, of course, the results haven't been published or confirmed by anyone else.

Not melted steel. Oops, strike 1,000,547.01

is this going to be like the BS about flying

Do you think it was melted steel? What would that be for the lies and fantasy claims of 911 truth?

Ironically Jones made up thermite, and then tried to back in evidence of thermite by doing a fake paper conclusion of thermite; which fooled kids who are gullible, and have no reading comprehension skills... and don't understand science.

Jones thinks corroded steel melted too. Where is Jones now?

Got some real evidence for melted steel? BTW, melted metal, like Al, and other metals, are not melted steel.

 

[MicahJava]

Not melted steel. Oops, strike 1,000,547.01

is this going to be like the BS about flying

Do you accept that the fudge brownie is made of an iron-based substance?

 

[DGM]

Do you accept that the fudge brownie is made of an iron-based substance?

What is your evidence of this?

 

[MicahJava]

What is your evidence of this?

The picture on the right by Steven Jones.

http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt_web/slideshow.php?i=148&lores=1 slide 154-159

 

[DGM]

The picture on the right by Steven Jones.

http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt_web/slideshow.php?i=148&lores=1 slide 154-159

I asked for evidence. You gave me opinion from a conspiracy theorist.

Is that it?

 

[beachnut]

The picture on the right by Steven Jones.

http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt_web/slideshow.php?i=148&lores=1 slide 154-159

Jones lied about thermite. Where is the proof it is melted steel. Where is the analysis? Jones is a 911 truth nut. Poor source, like where you got the remote control planes, crazy BS from 911 truth.

I don't believe Jones, except his work where he proves Christ walked in the New World... and of course I believe his over unity circuit are real,,,, lol


Is it iron? Why does it look like BS.

Did you read the BS from Jones; it is not melted steel. oops, Jones said so... The meteorite Jones says the is from, had no melted steel, but Jones and 911 truth say the meteorite, which is 3 to 5 floors crushed together, has melted steel; a lie... why does Jones lie?

 

[MicahJava]

I asked for evidence. You gave me opinion from a conspiracy theorist.

Is that it?

I don't know how an electron microscope can be used to detect what a certain material is made of, but the slides say that's how it was determined it was made of iron. Like I said, not published, as I remember Steven Jones specifying in a clip from one of his lectures.

 

[DGM]

I don't know how an electron microscope can be used to detect what a certain material is made of, but the slides say that's how it was determined it was made of iron. Like I said, not published, as I remember Steven Jones specifying in a clip from one of his lectures.

So, no actually evidence for the claim from a known conspiracy theorist (the sample is not even documented). Do I have this right?

BTW: You can't determine the make-up of a material by electron microscope alone.

 

[beachnut]

I don't know how an electron microscope can be used to detect what a certain material is made of, but the slides say that's how it was determined it was made of iron. Like I said, not published, as I remember Steven Jones specifying in a clip from one of his lectures.

Ask for melted steel proof, but get opinion from one of the biggest liars of 911 truth. Does Jones know he is a liar, or is he full blown nuts on 911.

In the silly paper you published from Jones; Jones thinks corroded steel is melted steel. FEMA Appendix C, is used by 911 truth nuts as proof of melted steel; but only expose they have no clue what eutectic means, or failure to realize the corrosion was indicative of fire at 800 to 1000C, not steel melting temperatures. Why the lack of science; is science banned in 911 truth.

You bring opinions, not evidence.
Where is proof of melted steel on 911?

Lol, NotConvinced, this is not the best forum to ask such a question

Not if you want to keep a fantasy version of 911 alive and mock the murder of thousands by spreading lies and believing BS claims.

Ironically Jones says he found iron in a sample, but quickly states it was not melted steel... did you read the BS you got the BS from? How much iron did he find? The thing you posted did not look like melted stuff.

The picture on the right by Steven Jones.

http://www.ae911truth.net/ppt_web/slideshow.php?i=148&lores=1 slide 154-159

Wow, did you go through the presentation? It is a sign of paranoia and overwhelming BS.

Zero evidence, lots of BS = 911 truth

 

[Travis]

Fine, it has iron it it. What of it? Why should I care?

 

[MicahJava]

So, no actually evidence for the claim from a known conspiracy theorist (the sample is not even documented). Do I have this right?

BTW: You can't determine the make-up of a material by electron microscope alone.

Is it this?

http://serc.carleton.edu/research_education/geochemsheets/techniques/SEM.html

What is Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM)

The scanning electron microscope (SEM) uses a focused beam of high-energy electrons to generate a variety of signals at the surface of solid specimens. The signals that derive from electron-sample interactions reveal information about the sample including external morphology (texture), chemical composition, and crystalline structure and orientation of materials making up the sample.

 

[MicahJava]

Fine, it has iron it it. What of it? Why should I care?

It's apparently made of Iron with trace amounts of Aluminum, Manganese, Sulfur, and Fluorine, which can all be ingredients of thermitic materials. If it's previously molten iron, then that especially interesting because modern buildings don't use regular iron anymore.

 

[beachnut]

It's apparently made of Iron with trace amounts of Aluminum, Manganese, Sulfur, and Flourine, which can all be ingredients of thermitic materials. If it's previously molten iron, then that especially interesting because modern buildings don't use regular iron anymore.

How much of the block of what looks like burnt wood, how much is iron? Where is the analysis? How do you know the iron is not the trace amount? This is like the loopdeloop BS, an opinion you found in a BS presentation by 911 truth nuts.
It is not thermite. Why is there flourine in Jones fantasy secret thermite which did not damage any steel on 911? Is flourine a wheat byproduct, or did you mean fluorine?

It does not look like melted iron, and as Jones said, it is not melted steel. I asked for proof of melted steel, you show something which Jones says has iron in it, but it does not look like it was melted.

Do you have evidence of melted steel on 911? No. The same as the flying BS, opinions and lies found on the Internet... what was the atomic number for F? Do you read the BS you look up to support the BS you found from 911 truth?

 

[MicahJava]

How much of the block of what looks like burnt wood, how much is iron? Where is the analysis? How do you know the iron is not the trace amount? This is like the loopdeloop BS, an opinion you found in a BS presentation by 911 truth nuts.
It is not thermite. Why is there flourine in Jones fantasy secret thermite which did not damage any steel on 911? Is flourine a wheat byproduct, or did you mean fluorine?

It does not look like melted iron, and as Jones said, it is not melted steel. I asked for proof of melted steel, you show something which Jones says has iron in it, but it does not look like it was melted.

Do you have evidence of melted steel on 911? No. The same as the flying BS, opinions and lies found on the Internet... what was the atomic number for F? Do you read the BS you look up to support the BS you found from 911 truth?

It looks like some kind of previously molten metal. I once stuck some aluminum cans in a fire and they came out looking something like the picture. The analysis is shown via electron microscope pictures in the slides. Due to the sheer number of papers Steven Jones has published before even getting into 9/11 stuff, I'll side with the expert for now. Most of the critiques on the internet I've found regarding this sample are questioning the chain of custody, but that only demonstrates how out-of-place the artifact is. Of course, it would be better if a new sample the fudge brownie (not sent to Jones over the mail) was comprehensively studied.

 

[Andy_Ross]

What is the chain of custody for the sample?
Was a chemical analysis done on the block.
'Looks like' means nothing.

 

[GlennB]

It looks like some kind of previously molten metal. I once stuck some aluminum cans in a fire and they came out looking something like the picture. The analysis is shown via electron microscope pictures in the slides. Due to the sheer number of papers Steven Jones has published before even getting into 9/11 stuff, I'll side with the expert for now. Most of the critiques on the internet I've found regarding this sample are questioning the chain of custody, but that only demonstrates how out-of-place the artifact is. Of course, it would be better if a new sample the fudge brownie (not sent to Jones over the mail) was comprehensively studied.

Someone sent a small piece of the chunk to a noted 9/11 CTist and thermite-believer? Sounds like a rigorous scientific approach, so I'm convinced.