Adnan Syed - Serial / Undisclosed

[Matthew Best]

First witness was Phil Dantes, a friend & colleague of Syed's former defense attorney Christina Gutierrez who described her dwindling capacities.

I don't know much about her capacities, but I tell you what, she had one of the most annoying speaking voices I've ever heard. I wouldn't be surprised if that counted against her clients in the jury room, if only subconsciously.

 

[Desert Fox]

I don't know much about her capacities, but I tell you what, she had one of the most annoying speaking voices I've ever heard. I wouldn't be surprised if that counted against her clients in the jury room, if only subconsciously.

Suave she was not!

 

[Desert Fox]

Having finished the podcast, I think Bob is willing to put him dime down on who killed Hae. Bet you it is the guy with the falsified alibi.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Having finished the podcast, I think Bob is willing to put him dime down on who killed Hae. Bet you it is the guy with the falsified alibi.

Bob needs a lesson in proper court decorum. He looked like a slob among all the men in suits.

Bob is just doing Rabs' bidding. That way if he bombs she can blame him for it. They both know exactly who squeezed the life out of Hae.

Asia's letters were clearly written later than they were dated, which is why the Gootz dismissed her as an alibi witness. She doubled down in her testimony about the snow so it is clear she is either outright lying about seeing him at the library or she is mistaken about the date.

The judge knows the score, I'm sure of it. Game over.

 

[Desert Fox]

According to Jim Clemente, who I trust to know his way around at least a body, Hae's body was definitely moved after levity set in. He considers it almost certain that more than a few hours went by before she was buried where she was found and in the position she was found.

As such, your opinions are extremely suspect at best.

Also, according to him, Jay basically did not know at all what he was talking about when he was talking to the cops about what happened that night.

Maybe Jim Clemente is at Rabi's beck and call as well?

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

According to Jim Clemente, who I trust to know his way around at least a body, Hae's body was definitely moved after levity set in. He considers it almost certain that more than a few hours went by before she was buried where she was found and in the position she was found.

As such, your opinions are extremely suspect at best.

Also, according to him, Jay basically did not know at all what he was talking about when he was talking to the cops about what happened that night.

Maybe Jim Clemente is at Rabi's beck and call as well?

No, he is not; he is at my beck and call. Lol. He and I have chatted about the body. He does believe it *could* have been moved after it had been stashed somewhere else for a while. He also feels it was rolled into the shallow grave, which does fit Jay's testimony about not helping Adnan.

Stashing the body and then coming back to bury it does not rule out Golden Boy from having taken Hae's life. Sorry.

As an aside, I have no problem with Clemente, but I also believe there might be a conflict of interest with regard to this case. He is in discussions about doing a joint venture with Bob Ruff or perhaps sponsoring him for some future endeavor. I am not at all certain he is unbiased in giving his opinion on this case. There may be outside motivations to agree with (or at least not directly contradict) Firedman Bob and/or Rabs. Certainly his assessment of the killer's profile was Syed to a T.

 

[Desert Fox]

Let us try this for you. . . .

1. Do you admit that Jay's testimony is pretty poor?
Does not really fit the crime scene and events real well? Not real coherent either?

2. Adnan appears to have had a pretty busy day that day. Probably going to track. It is almost definite that he went to the mosque that that day. Spent time with his family, etc.

3. After school, is there anybody (with the exception of Jay) who saw Adnan with Hae or with her car? Basically, can you place them together at all after school without Jay?

4. We cannot place Don and Hae together either but he appears to have a falsified alibi. In addition, he appears to have simply disappeared until something like 1 am the morning after Hae disappeared. We have times where we do not have Adnan with others (possibly counting Jay) but not for anything like the length which we have Don.

All together, Don is a much better suspect than Adnan. It probably was a spur of the moment murder, nothing planned. Once it happened, panic set in.

It is also interesting that you make personal aspersions to Bob Ruff but I know a few others who have left their day jobs for online activities. This includes one of the hosts of Generation Why and Seth Andrews. In addition, Bob Ruff seems to be doing well enough to travel to Texas, Los Angeles, and Baltimore. I could not afford to do that.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Let's try this for you. . .

1. Do you admit that Jay's testimony is pretty poor?
Does not really fit the crime scene and events real well? Not real coherent either?

Jay's testimony is corroborated by other witnesses and cell phone records, so it is not poor. Did he minimize his role in the crime? Yes. Did he know enough details about the crime to be deemed credible overall? Yes.

NHRN Kathy and Jen Pusateri have no reasons to lie to the police. Their testimony jives with the cell records and with Jay's testimony.

2. Adnan appears to have had a pretty busy day that day. Probably going to track. It is almost definite that he went to the mosque that that day. Spent time with his family, etc.

No one can place him at track for sure so that won't work as an alibi. It is almost definite that he did not go to the mosque as no one placed him there, other than his father, who we know lied. Certainly there should have been a dozen mosque witnesses who could have alibied him for the night, but there weren't.

3. After school, is there anybody (with the exception of Jay) who saw Adnan with Hae or with her car? Basically, can you place them together at all after school without Jay?

Certainly. There are several people who heard him ask Hae for a ride after school.

4. We cannot place Don and Hae together either but he appears to have a falsified alibi. In addition, he appears to have simply disappeared until something like 1 am the morning after Hae disappeared. We have times where we do not have Adnan with others (possibly counting Jay) but not for anything like the length which we have Don.

All together, Don is a much better suspect than Adnan. It probably was a spur of the moment murder, nothing planned. Once it happened, panic set in.

It is also interesting that you make personal aspersions to Bob Ruff but I know a few others who have left their day jobs for online activities. This includes one of the hosts of Generation Why and Seth Andrews. In addition, Bob Ruff seems to be doing well enough to travel to Texas, Los Angeles, and Baltimore. I could not afford to do that.

I think it is highly irresponsible to accuse someone of murder without proof. I will not discuss Don, as he was cleared as a suspect and did not commit this crime.

Bob is no hero, trust me. He jumped on the bandwagon to try to make a buck. He is an opportunist. The only reason he left his day job is because they were going to fire him. What a guy.

Sure he can afford to come to Baltimore; hundreds of people donated money to him so he could build a soundproof shed from which to record his podcast. It's only too bad he didn't also buy a suit with the leftover money.

These people making money and achieving fame off a murdered girl should be ashamed. I hope they all drop dead.

 

[Desert Fox]

Person was cleared by a completed false alibi. . . . .Very interesting, very, very interesting.

So do US courts ever get it wrong or is every defendant automatically guilty?

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Person was cleared by a completed false alibi. . . . .Very interesting, very, very interesting. ?

It has not been proven the alibi was false. It is a mere assertion made by a trio of morons with an agenda.

So do US courts ever get it wrong or is every defendant automatically guilty?

This particular one they got right.

There are tons of wrongful convictions which is why it is important to thoroughly vet a conviction before wasting resources trying to prove a conviction is wrong.

 

[Desert Fox]

There are two prongs anyway
1. Did he get effective assistance of council - being that she charged for experts that she never got, did not read all of the case reports properly, and did not look into alibi witness - I would argue that she did not in a sane world. Of course you seem to operate by the Texas legal system where it is perfectly fine to execute a person who's defense attorney slept during the trial and/or came in drunk.
2. Actual innocence. I cannot say for absolute innocence but I cannot say, in any absolute sense, that you did not kill Hae either. I would argue that there is no special reason to suspect him of her murder however.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

There are two prongs anyway
1. Did he get effective assistance of council - being that she charged for experts that she never got, did not read all of the case reports properly, and did not look into alibi witness - I would argue that she did not in a sane world. Of course you seem to operate by the Texas legal system where it is perfectly fine to execute a person who's defense attorney slept during the trial and/or came in drunk.
2. Actual innocence. I cannot say for absolute innocence but I cannot say, in any absolute sense, that you did not kill Hae either. I would argue that there is no special reason to suspect him of her murder however.

He's not on death row so quit with the hyperbole.

Asia's second letter contained details not known to the public as of March 2nd so it was clearly um... mis-dated.

I'm sure the Gootz did not want to call a witness who obviously was offering a fabricated alibi (I can help you account for some of your time between 2:15 and 8PM) who wrote a very suspicious second letter with facts she couldn't have possibly known on the date she claimed to have written the letter.

 

[Desert Fox]

According to what I have read, she is not allowed to make such a call until after the potential witness is questioned.

Lets be straight up here, the state is playing games. They are trying to claim that the library is not part of the school grounds so he lied. All one has to do is look at the map and you can see that the library would be considered as part of school grounds by the students.

In addition, they played games with Rabi by trying to claim she is a witness.

The side playing dirty pool in this case is the state. Whenever that occurs, one should question why.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

According to what I have read, she is not allowed to make such a call until after the potential witness is questioned.

Lets be straight up here, the state is playing games. They are trying to claim that the library is not part of the school grounds so he lied. All one has to do is look at the map and you can see that the library would be considered as part of school grounds by the students.

In addition, they played games with Rabi by trying to claim she is a witness.

The side playing dirty pool in this case is the state. Whenever that occurs, one should question why.

That is not true. She can look at the letters from Asia and see that Asia completely contradicts Coach Sye (warm day vs. snowstorm) or completely contradicts the defendant's story (Syed never told anyone he went to the library), as well as they appear to be offers for a falsified alibi ("I will help you account for some of your time from 2:15 - 8:00").

Any of these might cause her to decide that this is not an alibi we want to entertain and that is fully within her right.

I would add that Asia refused to cooperate early on, her boyfriend even chasing away investigators. We really do not know if anyone tried to contact her, despite her now claiming no one did.

As far as Rabs being sequestered for the hearings, if you get a chance, go look at her tweets. She is vile and aggressive and even threatened to make a scene in the courtroom. Over and above the fact that sequestering someone you might call as a witness is proper procedure, I don't blame T.V. for getting her out of there.

 

[Desert Fox]

I have a question. . . .Do you ever think US courts get it wrong?
Do you think that any inmate in prison right now is not guilty of the crime that they have been convicted of?

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

I have a question. . . .Do you ever think US courts get it wrong?
Do you think that any inmate in prison right now is not guilty of the crime that they have been convicted of?

This particular one they got right.

There are tons of wrongful convictions which is why it is important to thoroughly vet a conviction before wasting resources trying to prove a conviction is wrong.

 

[Desert Fox]

This particular one they got right.

There are tons of wrongful convictions which is why it is important to thoroughly vet a conviction before wasting resources trying to prove a conviction is wrong.

Just about every case of wrongful conviction that I know of, somebody is convinced of the defendants guilt. I don't honestly see any reason why your opinions should be treated any differently.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Just about every case of wrongful conviction that I know of, somebody is convinced of the defendants guilt. I don't honestly see any reason why your opinions should be treated any differently.

Maybe because I have read all the transcripts and obtained and read the police file. Have you?

 

[Desert Fox]

Maybe because I have read all the transcripts and obtained and read the police file. Have you?

To be blunt, I don't actually believe you. You claim that the body was not moved after being prone in a different position for greater than just a few hours. This is contradicted by Jim Clemente.

To go further, you are just some anonymous internet poster (granted so am I.) Jim Clemente, Bob Ruff, Susan Simpson, Collin Miller, etc are willing to put their own names to their statements.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

To be blunt, I don't actually believe you. You claim that the body was not moved after being prone in a different position for greater than just a few hours. This is contradicted by Jim Clemente.

To go further, you are just some anonymous internet poster (granted so am I.) Jim Clemente, Bob Ruff, Susan Simpson, Collin Miller, etc are willing to put their own names to their statements.

I did not say it was not moved after being prone in a different position. I said the way the body was buried is consistent with anterior lividity. Only the bottom half of her body was on its right side. The top half was face down.

I am not completely anonymous. Ask your pals Charlie Wilkes, who I met in person in July 2014 in Seattle and Halkides who is a Facebook friend of mine. It doesn't look like they are into the Syed case, based on the postings at IA, but if either of them asked me for the police file I would provide it to them.

Now you can stop with the fallacious arguments, okay?