please quote me where I say there is no particular firearm banned prohibited or restricted in Australia. You can't own a 105mm howitzer no matter how much you want one. so do I need to laboriously explain to you that because 105mm howitzers are banned does not make it legitimate to claim Australia is subject to "a ban on guns"
Since you insist:
No, it's not how it worked in Australia. Nothing declared evil. No gun confiscations.
As an example.. Every single gun you own you could still own if you were Australian. Every last one of them. You would actually have to obtain licences and jump through hoops and satisfy annoying government requirements. Cry me a river.
So your statement (highlighted above) regarding "every single gun...every last one of them" wasn't
completely true was it?
If you want a .45 to play with join a club, get a licence, satisfy various requirements like storage security......
In the US there is an oath which reads in part, "The truth. The whole truth, and nothing but the truth". Possibly the concept is foreign to you.
Generalizing, as in the above quoted statement, falls into the category of "the whole truth", which you are evading.
In order to acquire and possess a handgun of greater than .38 Cal, you can't just "join a club", you have to be be a competitor in the International Sport Shooting Federation, the Commonwealth Games qualifiers or an "approved" shooting competition ( with special Commissioners Permit).
These include restricting the handguns which can be used for target shooting to:
• a maximum of.38" calibre;
• semi-automatic handguns with a barrel length of 120mm or more; and
• revolvers and single shot handguns with a barrel length of 100mm or more.
Sections 4C and 8 of the bill create this new class of prohibited pistol, with section 58(2) making it an offence with a maximum penalty of 5 years imprisonment to unlawfully possess a prohibited pistol barrel.
However, in line with the COAG agreement, there will be two limited classes of person who may access a prohibited pistol.
Section 16B provides for persons participating in International Shooting Sport Federation events, which count as Olympic and Commonwealth Games qualifiers, to access highly specialised target pistols which fail to meet the new barrel restrictions.
The COAG agreed to this restricted use on the grounds that these highly specialised target pistols are large, visually distinctive and not readily concealable due to their overall size.
In addition, Schedule 2, clause 59A amends the Firearms (General) Regulation 1997 to allow the issue of a Commissioner's Permit for pistols with a calibre of more than.38 inch (but not more than.45 inch) which are used in an approved shooting competition.
In line with the COAG Agreement, these competitions have yet to be agreed nationally.
That is a much narrower restriction than, "join a club, get a license and satisfy various requirements...". The requirements are very specific. Specific to the point that, unless you want to convince me that these competitions are so plentiful that anyone can participate, they effectively bar the average Australian citizen from acquiring or owning that "new class of prohibited handguns".
wtf do you want chuck, you want me to type out every section of law and regulation of all states and territories in Australia? I have already given you a reasonable summary if you want to make a point about something do your own research.
WTF I
want is for you to start debating honestly. The above seems to be a pretty clear indication that you haven't been bothering with such inconvenient trivialities so far.
Once you've cleared that bar, you can provide evidence to your claim that less guns equal less bullet holes, evidence that lawful ownership is causally linked to violent crime, and that the Australian NFA can be demonstrably shown to have decreased violent crime.
But we're way ahead of ourselves until you clear that
first hurdle.
