Obama prepares order on guns

[Chuck Guiteau]

as I have pointed out quite a few times. People appear to want to call it a ban when they find the conditions unreasonable. Or in your case unreasonable or a bit to expensive.

No it's a ban when the vast majority of people are prohibited from possession.

The price of Steinway grand pianos is apaling in australia, its a de-facto ban.

What other conditions are attached to it? If only professional piano players currently employed as such can purchase one, then it would constitute a de facto ban.
You keep cherry picking the points of my post you think are vulnerable to the exclusion of all else. This is a good example.

 

[TJM]

Wildcat, I just posted Chuck a link to a for sale add for a gun he believed was banned. You sure you want to salute his claims?

Sure they're available, just for a select few that can qualify and afford them. The rest of Australia can go pound sand and yes, I know, that's the way you like it.

By the way, absolutely none of those Colts you linked to are on California's handgun roster and can't be sold here by law. Would you say that constitutes a ban?

 

[The Fool]

Sure they're available, just for a select few that can qualify and afford them. The rest of Australia can go pound sand and yes, I know, that's the way you like it.

By the way, absolutely none of those Colts you linked to are on California's handgun roster and can't be sold here by law. Would you say that constitutes a ban?

How can anyone bear to live in California without those models of Colts fine handguns?

 

[TJM]

How can anyone bear to live in California without those models of Colts fine handguns?

Or most Glocks, S&Ws, Springfields, Sigs, H&Ks, Rugers and so forth....

But nice dodge, nonetheless.

 

[The Fool]

No it's a ban when the vast majority of people are prohibited from possession.

explain how the vast majority are prohibited? I hate to break it to you but the vast majority are more likely to just not want to go through the processes required to call a .45acp their own.

The vast (overwhelming) majority of Australians don't own venomous snakes. so Is it a ban?

you need a complex series of licences and expensive secure habitats. The snakes are very expensive too...more grounds for calling it a ban eh?

 

[The Fool]

Or most Glocks, S&Ws, Springfields, Sigs, H&Ks, Rugers and so forth....

But nice dodge, nonetheless.

Its not a dodge its a serious question. Why do people stay living there?

 

[TJM]

Its not a dodge its a serious question. Why do people stay living there?

Why is anyone living where they are.

The lengths to dodge, it's almost humorous.

 

[TJM]

explain how the vast majority are prohibited? I hate to break it to you but the vast majority are more likely to find it futile just not want to go through the processes required to call a .45acp their own.

Fixed.

 

[The Fool]

Why is anyone living where they are.

The lengths to dodge, it's almost humorous.

sorry, its a difficult question. I can only assume they will throw out whoever is responsible at the next election.

 

[The Fool]

Fixed.

you run out of Ideas?

 

[Chuck Guiteau]

explain how the vast majority are prohibited? I hate to break it to you but the vast majority are more likely to just not want to go through the processes required to call a .45acp their own.

The vast (overwhelming) majority of Australians don't own venomous snakes. so Is it a ban?

you need a complex series of licences and expensive secure habitats. The snakes are very expensive too...more grounds for calling it a ban eh?

Then by all means, walk me through the process.
I'm average Joe Aussie and I've decided I want one of those Colts in your linky.
What do I need to do?

 

[The Fool]

Then by all means, walk me through the process.
I'm average Joe Aussie and I've decided I want one of those Colts in your linky.
What do I need to do?

Apply for a licence and join a pistol club. You need a licence so they can check if you are not a criminal and you need to join a pistol club because if you are claiming target shooting as the reason for ownership you actually have to participate in target shooting. You will also have to install secure storage.

Now which of those are you going to deem too much hassle and call it a ban?

 

[TJM]

you run out of Ideas?

Absolutely not, I'm just trying to get an answer to yet another you seem to want to dodge:

By the way, absolutely none of those Colts you linked to are on California's handgun roster and can't be sold here by law. Would you say that constitutes a ban?

 

[The Fool]

Absolutely not, I'm just trying to get an answer to yet another you seem to want to dodge:

can I clarify something, are you claiming there is a gun ban in California or is it just some models that are banned?

if some models are banned then of course its a ban on those models.

 

[Chuck Guiteau]

Apply for a licence and join a pistol club. You need a licence so they can check if you are not a criminal and you need to join a pistol club because if you are claiming target shooting as the reason for ownership you actually have to participate in target shooting. You will also have to install secure storage.

Now which of those are you going to deem too much hassle and call it a ban?

Then please explain this to me:

1. Bans on Specific Types of Firearms
RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that all jurisdictions ban the sale, resale, transfer, ownership, possession, manufacture and
use of those firearms banned or proposed to be banned from import other than in the
exceptional circumstances listed in paragraph 1.2 of the Commonwealth proposal (see
below).
para 1.2 The only need for the use of an automatic or semi-automatic longarm would be:
 military;
 police or other government purposes; and
 occupational categories of shooters who have been licensed for a specified
purpose (eg extermination of feral animals).
(b) that all jurisdictions ban competitive shooting involving those firearms banned or proposed

I also need some clarification on the highlighted here:

Licence Category A:
 air rifles;
 rimfire rifles (excluding self-loading);
 single and double barrel shotguns.
Licence Category B:
 muzzle-loading firearms;
 single shot, double barrel and repeating centre fire rifles;
 break action shotguns/rifle combinations;
Licence Category C (prohibited except for occupational purposes)
 semi automatic rimfire rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than 10 rounds;
 semi automatic shotguns with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds;
 pump action shotguns with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds.
Licence Category D (Prohibited, except for official purposes) self-loading centre fire rifles designed or adapted for military purposes or a firearm which
substantially duplicates those rifles in design, function or appearance.
 non-military style self-loading centre fire rifles with either an integral or detachable
magazine;
 self-loading shotguns with either an integral or detachable magazine and pump action
shotguns with a capacity of more than 5 rounds;
 self-loading rim-fire rifles with a magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds.
Licence Category H: (Restricted) all handguns, including air pistols

https://www.ag.gov.au/CrimeAndCorruption/Firearms/Documents/1996 National Firearms Agreement.pdf
Please note that the term "ban" is the one used by the Government of Australia in the above quoted document. It is not my invention or "spin".
Considering that the terms "ban(ned)", "prohibited", and "restricted" are used regularly in this document, I'm sure you can see my confusion as to why you are claiming there are no banned, prohibited, or restricted firearms in Australia.
Specifically, what party of "ban" isn't a ban, what part of "prohibited" means anyone with the motivation can own or possess said firearms, and what part of "restricted", means you only have to apply for a license and join a club to acquire and own a .45 ACP handgun?

 

[theprestige]

keep asking and I will keep replying. There is no evidence I know of that you would find acceptable..

Why not start with the evidence that convinced you, and see where that takes us?

Worst case scenario, Chuck ignores it, you're vindicated, and the rest of us are educated.

For example, I've already learned that Australia's banning and confiscation scheme was much less extreme and objectionable than I had imagined. That's thanks to your arguments. If you have more of the same on those other two points, I for one would like to see it.

 

[The Fool]

Then please explain this to me:

I also need some clarification on the highlighted here:

https://www.ag.gov.au/CrimeAndCorruption/Firearms/Documents/1996 National Firearms Agreement.pdf
Please note that the term "ban" is the one used by the Government of Australia in the above quoted document. It is not my invention or "spin".
Considering that the terms "ban(ned)", "prohibited", and "restricted" are used regularly in this document, I'm sure you can see my confusion as to why you are claiming there are no banned, prohibited, or restricted firearms in Australia.
Specifically, what party of "ban" isn't a ban, what part of "prohibited" means anyone with the motivation can own or possess said firearms, and what part of "restricted", means you only have to apply for a license and join a club to acquire and own a .45 ACP handgun?

please quote me where I say there is no particular firearm banned prohibited or restricted in Australia. You can't own a 105mm howitzer no matter how much you want one. so do I need to laboriously explain to you that because 105mm howitzers are banned does not make it legitimate to claim Australia is subject to "a ban on guns"



restrictions means restrictions, I refer you to the plentiful supply of online dictionaries.

wtf do you want chuck, you want me to type out every section of law and regulation of all states and territories in Australia? I have already given you a reasonable summary if you want to make a point about something do your own research.

If you want a .45 to play with join a club, get a licence, satisfy various requirements like storage security......

 

[The Fool]

Why not start with the evidence that convinced you, and see where that takes us?

Worst case scenario, Chuck ignores it, you're vindicated, and the rest of us are educated.

For example, I've already learned that Australia's banning and confiscation scheme was much less extreme and objectionable than I had imagined. That's thanks to your arguments. If you have more of the same on those other two points, I for one would like to see it.

It is a complex issue with many variables. One of my guiding principals is that the best way for the US to advance on the issue of gun control is to initially reduce the staggering number of guns that are lying around.

not a popular proposition for many Americans but the wild west can't last forever.

 

[Civet]

Apply for a licence and join a pistol club. You need a licence so they can check if you are not a criminal and you need to join a pistol club because if you are claiming target shooting as the reason for ownership you actually have to participate in target shooting. You will also have to install secure storage.

Now which of those are you going to deem too much hassle and call it a ban?

Does the law make any sort of allowances for people who don't like near a pistol club? Also, are pistol clubs required to accept any applicant who's legally permitted to own a gun?

 

[quadraginta]

It is a complex issue with many variables. One of my guiding principals is that the best way for the US to advance on the issue of gun control is to initially reduce the staggering number of guns that are lying around.

not a popular proposition for many Americans but the wild west can't last forever.

In the wild west they made the cowboys surrender their guns when they came into town.