Hillary Clinton is Done

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Foolmewunz said:
Identifying the bigoted faction of a party is not a racist comment. As usual, you have no idea what the terms you use actually mean and have no perception of the context of the times.
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You said "bigoted cracker Democrats". You could have said bigoted white democrats but you decided to use the word cracker. Its totally a racist term.



Conservative or Liberal by whose standards? I consider Clinton (he or she) as a conservative Democrat.
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Funny, I don't believe they would consider themselves conservative. That might be your first clue. ;)
 
Who is competent. That's really all it boils down to for me. I'd rather have a policy wonk with political experience than a guy who got rich building casinos. Someday I'll read this thread and offer a better-informed opinion.
 
Minoosh said:
Who is competent. That's really all it boils down to for me. I'd rather have a policy wonk with political experience than a guy who got rich building casinos.
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That's really what it comes down to. I've never seen another person who so thoroughly knows public policy in every area. You may not agree with her conclusions, but her subject and process mastery is unparalleled.

Trump knows and cares nothing about how government works. Sanders is, at best, a liberal economist. Nobody comes close. I guess that's what you get when you've been studying to be President since the age of five.
 
Loss Leader said:
That's really what it comes down to. I've never seen another person who so thoroughly knows public policy in every area. You may not agree with her conclusions, but her subject and process mastery is unparalleled.

Trump knows and cares nothing about how government works. Sanders is, at best, a liberal economist. Nobody comes close. I guess that's what you get when you've been studying to be President since the age of five.
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Wait.... You are talking about Hillary Clinton?

Are you *********** kidding? She knows nothing, everything she knows is how to advance team Hillary. Look at the disaster that is the Middle East and Libya.

She is a pathological liar about everything. Political mastery? get a grip, she is a complete scumbag.

She mastered that vote on the Iraq war, though.

Mastery. :rolleyes:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I am optimistic the country is not stupid enough to elect Trump and just rational enough to believe the country will not elect someone as far left as Sanders.

It would be nice to wake up to a compassionate, liberal, further to left country. I believe the 99% would be much better off.

But in the real world, no one running for POTUS has the credentials, experience, and proven track record Clinton has. I'm optimistic we might actually elect two competent Presidents in a row.

The economy and the state of the world calls for competence over idealism.
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Good post!

I hope and expect that the Democrats are smart enough to realise that nominating Sanders will lose them the election but Clinton will win them Republican votes.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Good post!

I hope and expect that the Democrats are smart enough to realise that nominating Sanders will lose them the election but Clinton will win them Republican votes.
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Odd that, the exact opposite will occur! FACT!
Any info to back up your unfounded assertion?
 
16.5 said:
Look at the disaster that is the Middle East and Libya.
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Yeah, because this is all Hillary's fault..... :covereyes

You do realise that the world doesn't revolve about the US and the Whitehouse right? The Middle East and Libya were a mess well before Hillary was around and will be long after she's gone. Today's mess there has very little to do with the US, they are managing to make their own tragedies without needing you to help them out.
 
Loss Leader said:
That's really what it comes down to. I've never seen another person who so thoroughly knows public policy in every area. You may not agree with her conclusions, but her subject and process mastery is unparalleled.
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First, I completely disagree with your assessment of her knowledge. I think it is skin deep, like that of most politicians whose primary goal is to advance to higher office. I challenge you to post a document she has written, or a video or audio clip of her explaining anything publicly policy-wise that is any way indicative of her "subject mastery."

Second, and more importantly, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. She probably thinks she knows a lot about public policy when she really doesn't. This, I think, is Obama's biggest problem too. As Mark Twain allegedly said, "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

Trump knows and cares nothing about how government works. Sanders is, at best, a liberal economist. Nobody comes close. I guess that's what you get when you've been studying to be President since the age of five.
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Trump is an idiot, but he also happens to be an idiot who feels comfortable delegating authority to people who aren't idiots. That might be good enough to be a reasonably successful President. As for Sanders, he is not an economist, liberal or otherwise. He understands nothing about economics and has demonstrated absolutely no interest in learning. He holds precisely the same views as he did in the 1970s, which is remarkable given the empirical evidence that has accumulated about how poorly central planning and wealth redistribution works. His whole philosophy is based on the logical fallacy that wealth distribution is a zero-sum game. He also believes that because people who go to college make more money than people who don't, that all we have to do is send more people to college and we'll have fewer lower income people. There is more than one logical fallacy embedded in that conclusion as well. Of course, he's not unique in that regard. Democrats, in general, have embraced that conclusion with gusto.
 
16.5 said:
Wait.... You are talking about Hillary Clinton?

Are you *********** kidding? She knows nothing, everything she knows is how to advance team Hillary.
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Right.....

16.5 said:
Look at the disaster that is the Middle East and Libya.
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1) How is it a disaster, comparatively?
2) What of it can be linked to her? You mention Libya but that nation went into a revolution without any outside help.

16.5 said:
She is a pathological liar about everything.
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Evidence?

16.5 said:
Political mastery? get a grip, she is a complete scumbag.
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Interesting. Sounds like you are letting emotions shade things here. She seems able to get things done. That shows political competence. I hated the policies of W but he did have a team around him that got their (mostly failed) ideas put into practice.

16.5 said:
She mastered that vote on the Iraq war, though.
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Well she did vote for it. But I would have as well back then. So I won't hold that mistake against her.
 
Dog Town said:
Odd that, the exact opposite will occur! FACT!
Any info to back up your unfounded assertion?
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I tend to think that Republicans hate them equally. They hate Hillary because they've grown up in an echo chamber where hating her was part of the price of admission and no one dared ever ask why. They hate Sanders because they seem to think he'll outlaw heterosexual marriage and private property or something equally stupid.

Anyways, I like both Hillary and Sanders so I find hating one over the other really weird.
 
Travis said:
...Well she did vote for it. But I would have as well back then. So I won't hold that mistake against her.
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No offense, but, saying that Hillary didn't have any better information or judgment than a poster on an internet message-board, is hardly a ringing endorsement of her service as a U.S. senator, yet alone a Democratic Senator from New York on an issue that most moderates and progressives feel (and felt at the time) very strongly about.
 
Travis said:
I tend to think that Republicans hate them equally. They hate Hillary because they've grown up in an echo chamber where hating her was part of the price of admission and no one dared ever ask why. They hate Sanders because they seem to think he'll outlaw heterosexual marriage and private property or something equally stupid.

Anyways, I like both Hillary and Sanders so I find hating one over the other really weird.
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That war was immoral. It was obviously immoral at the time. I was out protesting that war. 9 months before it happened, because it was obvious that the fix was in. Hillary traded our financial future and the lives of tens of thousands for some temporary popularity. And she has no regrets about it now. Bernie Sanders voted against it.

This is why I have to support him.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Yeah, because this is all Hillary's fault..... :covereyes

You do realise that the world doesn't revolve about the US and the Whitehouse right? The Middle East and Libya were a mess well before Hillary was around and will be long after she's gone. Today's mess there has very little to do with the US, they are managing to make their own tragedies without needing you to help them out.
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How quickly people forget Hillary's war mongering in Libya designed to achieve regime change...

Hell hill and Sid mocked Obama for not bring aggressive enough in regime change. And now Libya is an anarchic hellhole pumping out international terrorists like they used to pump out oil.

Nothing to do with HillDawg, tho....:rolleyes:
 
16.5 said:
How quickly people forget Hillary's war mongering in Libya designed to achieve regime change...

Hell hill and Sid mocked Obama for not bring aggressive enough in regime change. And now Libya is an anarchic hellhole pumping out international terrorists like they used to pump out oil.

Nothing to do with HillDawg, tho....:rolleyes:
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She was a disaster at that post.

Kerry, on the other hand, seems to be made for it.
 
Just been reading some recent tweets from Shane Bauer, the journo who was in Iranian prison 2009-2011. There's more like that:

@shane_bauer said:
When I was in prison in Iran, whenever I heard Hillary's voice, my heart would sink. All she ever does with Iran is inflame tensions.
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Must be some "derangement syndrome"... :rolleyes:
 
Trakar said:
No offense, but, saying that Hillary didn't have any better information or judgment than a poster on an internet message-board, is hardly a ringing endorsement of her service as a U.S. senator, yet alone a Democratic Senator from New York on an issue that most moderates and progressives feel (and felt at the time) very strongly about.
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Why shouldn't a Senator be able to rely on the information that the President and Secretary of State gives her? Why should she have had access to the secret CIA and Homeland information shared only within the agencies? What exactly should have been the source of her insight?

The President and his Secretaries of Defense and State lied to congress, America and the UN. They flat-out lied. Colin Powell went to the UN with a damn drawing of a mobile chemical lab.

At the same time, Saddam Hussein was refusing to cooperate with IAEA. He wouldn't let inspectors into some 60 odd "palaces," he kept turning off remote cameras, and he would occasionally just expel them.

I was against the war. However, if I were a Senator looking at the information I was given, I would probably have voted for the broad authorization of force in coordination with allied nations as well.

I have never understood how a single Yes vote from a Democrat is a greater sin than the warmongering of the entire Republican party.*


*48 out of 49 Republican Senators and 215 out of 221 Republican Congresspeople voted for the resolution.
 
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