Hillary Clinton is Done

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It is true there is a divide among Republicans in Congress. It isn't really about ideology but rather that there are some crazed extremists that "think" that holding the US government and the world economy hostage to achieve their goals is a reasonable, winning strategy.
 
Loss Leader said:
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with this one single sentence written by Sunmaster14.

Reagan's "Big Tent" was a true unification of a number of different factions. But, at least since the Tea Party, it's been destroying itself. The worst schism is between absolutists for various causes and those who understand that compromise is essential to getting anything done.

Consequently, you have fifty-three GOP candidates running in completely different directions. However, you have two Democratic candidates, one of whom is already running straight down the middle.
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When both a large portion (if not a majority) of the Democratic supporters and virtually all of the Republicans are and have been (for the last 2-3 decades at least) moving to the conservative, top-down, corporatist, right, "middle" is a pretty slippery term to accurately define, yet alone agree upon.
 
Washington Post: Hillary's lead is slipping away faster than it did in 2008.

If we compare where Clinton is now in the Real Clear Politics polling average, the 2016 picture and the 2008 picture aren't really all that similar. Nationally, she was doing much better in 2008 than she is right now, perhaps in part because the anti-Clinton vote in 2008 was still split between two people -- Barack Obama and John Edwards -- instead of just one. But that recent trend line, a function of two new national polls that were close after a bit of a lull, is not very good news.
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Oh, I find it pretty good news indeed.
 
And yet the latest poll found Clinton's lead in Iowa increased a bit while Sanders' numbers went down.

It's revealing you want Sanders to win. I think it's consistent with the Republican consensus that it's going to be easier to scare voters off a socialist than it's going to be to try the old, failed, trash Clinton tactic.

If the thought of a Trump POTUS being so devastating for the country wasn't as scary as it is, we'd all want Trump to win the nomination because he's almost certainly going to lose to Clinton. But a Trump-Sanders contest is not so certain despite the current polls because the scary-socialist attacks have not yet begun.
 
Brainster said:
Washington Post: Hillary's lead is slipping away faster than it did in 2008.



Oh, I find it pretty good news indeed.
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None of it matters until South Carolina. I'll give Sanders Iowa because it's a straw poll that always oversamples the extremists. I'll give him New Hampshire because those are very much his people. Maybe that gives him enough traction to show well in Nevada, but that's as far as he's going. He won't win Nevada and he'll get hammered in SC and then he's out of money.

Maybe he'll catch fire after New Hampshire. I doubt it.
 
BenBurch said:
SG, you are a model of optimism.
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I am optimistic the country is not stupid enough to elect Trump and just rational enough to believe the country will not elect someone as far left as Sanders.

It would be nice to wake up to a compassionate, liberal, further to left country. I believe the 99% would be much better off.

But in the real world, no one running for POTUS has the credentials, experience, and proven track record Clinton has. I'm optimistic we might actually elect two competent Presidents in a row.

The economy and the state of the world calls for competence over idealism.
 
Foolmewunz said:
It's this "my party" thing, though. I grew up where and in an era that the two party system was bigoted cracker Democrats versus moderate Democrats. Had there been no moderate/liberal/progressive wing I would've ceased supporting the Democrats. (Jewish/Sicilian - we should be Democrats by birthright according to 50s and 60s demographics.)
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And yet you just throw out racist comments


The traditional division of the major parties doesn't exist within the GOP any longer. You have far right and farther right. Even the moderately far right kneel to the Tea Party misanthropes for fear of losing the nomination, and not one rep or senator has stood up to the party machine and lockstep voting of the past seven years. In the case of the GOP you can actually take a stand against the party because the party has pretty good control of the candidates, programs and policies. At least the Dems are in a nice little factional battle.
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Who are the conservative democrats? I can list several liberal republicans.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
Yeah, I'm totally mad those darn Mexicans keep bringing their work ethic and need for a new pair of shoes to our economy. It's totally making white Americans look lazy and selfish. I hate them for that.
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Good point, wages for low-skilled jobs are just too damned high and it's a great thing all those illegal workers are poking a pin in those inflated wages. Imagine the horror if employers had to raise wages and benefits and improve working conditions to attract legal workers! (shudders)

Thank God the Dems are looking out for those corporations who would otherwise have to increase worker compensation!
 
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And yet you just throw out racist comments
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Identifying the bigoted faction of a party is not a racist comment. As usual, you have no idea what the terms you use actually mean and have no perception of the context of the times.


Who are the conservative democrats? I can list several liberal republicans.
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Conservative or Liberal by whose standards? I consider Clinton (he or she) as a conservative Democrat.
 
WildCat said:
Good point, wages for low-skilled jobs are just too damned high and it's a great thing all those illegal workers are poking a pin in those inflated wages. Imagine the horror if employers had to raise wages and benefits and improve working conditions to attract legal workers! (shudders)

Thank God the Dems are looking out for those corporations who would otherwise have to increase worker compensation!
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... until the cost of production is so high that it becomes cheaper to import them. Then the companies go out of business altogether and nobody has money.

The gray market may not be pleasant to think about, but we can't shut it off all at once without some serious nation-wide consequences.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Identifying the bigoted faction of a party is not a racist comment. As usual, you have no idea what the terms you use actually mean and have no perception of the context of the times.




Conservative or Liberal by whose standards? I consider Clinton (he or she) as a conservative Democrat.
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And Obama is a conservative Democrat as well.

Then there are these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
 
My fantasy is for Hillary and Bernie to call a joint press conference to announce their withdrawl and support for Joe Biden. Ain't going to happen, of course.

Meanwhile, the thread title remains incorrect.
 
Trebuchet said:
My fantasy is for Hillary and Bernie to call a joint press conference to announce their withdrawl and support for Joe Biden. Ain't going to happen, of course.

Meanwhile, the thread title remains incorrect.
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Biden seems healthy, I think it would take both of them to frogmarch him to the podium. I love the image of that.
 
Trebuchet said:
My fantasy is for Hillary and Bernie to call a joint press conference to announce their withdrawl and support for Joe Biden. Ain't going to happen, of course.

Meanwhile, the thread title remains incorrect.
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Wow, might as well vote Republican. Biden wouldn't have even won the Democratic vote yet alone have made a showing in the general election.
 
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