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Global warming discussion IV

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No need of becoming anecdotal.

Here's the +80°N average temperature for 2015 compared with normals (if you don't see a plot in red covering the whole year, go to this page and select 2015).

What is happening is obvious and it's called Global Warming. This reminds me nobody never answered these simple questions: Why temperatures around the North Pole are 4°C above the normals during Winter, less above the normal in Spring and Autumn, and about normal during Summer?

In spite of users constantly trying to spam these threads with exactly the same garbage year after year ("the stupid litany"), the situation remains:

Global warming: temperature averages going up + temperature dispersion going up ------> heat records continually being broken (there's nothing extraordinary in it); cold records continually being broken (there's nothing extraordinary in it); heat records broken in a 4:1 proportion when compared with cold record (totally logic).

The continuous repeating of that stupid litany is because of
a) AGW denialists only can resort to cherry picking (they take cold records and try to disguise them as a trend)
b) Uneducated, unconcerned people (most of population, and more importantly, most of the voters and the public opinion) are easily influenced by the disruptive preach of those ill-intended denialists -like those who usually operate in this thread and others outside this thread who try to make subtle campaigning in other subforums here-.
c) Then, other people consider valid to use 4x more abundant heat records to counteract that bad influence (I can't say I blame them, because is fighting with those very denialist weapons)
d) I consider that a forum about scepticism and written media are not to do that; education must be promoted and ignorant input shown as the low scum it is.
 
aleCcowaN said:
What is happening is obvious and it's called Global Warming. This reminds me nobody never answered these simple questions: Why temperatures around the North Pole are 4°C above the normals during Winter, less above the normal in Spring and Autumn, and about normal during Summer?
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No its called El Nino.

The hilite is called weather.
 
logger said:
No its called El Nino.

The hilite is called weather.
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You may try English first:

its = possesive
it's = it is

Then you may try to reply to what is actually written.

If you have problems with simple understanding, I'll break it in small chunks for you:

Temperatures are 4°C above normals in Winter EVERY YEAR now. No matter it's an El Niño year, or La Niña, or neutral (make an effort to write it correctly. I hardly have any command on English and I'm doing better than you in your native language). You know nothing, what includes not knowing that El Niño have no influences on Arctic average temperatures (it has an effect on distribution).

If you had had the slightest idea of what you're talking about (you're just spewing old denialist crap here and nothing else) you would have understood it and you'll have the obvious detailed answer to that.

It's not you who can reply that simple question. It requires to know what you're talking about when AGW (or lack thereof) is the subject. To pretend to be a denialist, like you do, requires indeed some degree of knowledge, not only ill intentions. You bogged half way.

Stop making a fool of yourself and wasting our time here. You may find the idle poppycock in posts of yours like the one above to be welcome in other chatty threads. This one is about science, an alien subject to you.
 
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logger

No its called El Nino.

The hilite is called weather.
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You know nothing...El Nino is a factor ....AGW overlays the natural inside the box cycles like El Nino.

Do you even know what ENSO is??? What radiative balance is?/

Here is your link between AGW and extreme weather...

The link between manmade carbon emissions and global warming has been hotly contested, as a lack of research meant scientists couldn’t say that emissions created a specific damage. That link however, has now been measured in various cases, according to a new study.“The paper is the first to systematically assess regional scale impacts of climate change and their relation to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions, introducing a systematic evaluation of confidence levels … through a newly developed algorithm,” said Christian Huggel, a senior researcher from the University of Zurich, who was not involved in the study.
In the report published Monday in Nature Climate Change, researchers Gerrit Hansen and Dáithí Stone found that a connection between recent regional climate trends and manmade climate change, shows that many of the damages on natural and human systems can be attributed to global warming.
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and the paper -

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncli...IRhZwOQ==&tracking_referrer=thinkprogress.org

try learning something instead of looking foolish in a Science forum.
 
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This thread is about science. Comments about politicians are off topic.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Loss Leader
 
a_unique_person said:
The weather is on a bit of a roll at the moment. Historic floods in the UK and USA, historic highs at the North Pole, Australia experiencing record heat waves and killer fires.
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Time to roll out Al Gore. Oh look, somebody did.

According to a comment on WUWT there's yet another Pause, this one starting in May '97 and a month shorter than the last, which started in Jan '97 (and is now over, of course, like all that went before). I doubt we'll be hearing much more about them.

So ... Al Gore is fat.
 
It's time to open the bets.

TSI is to reach its maximum within this week. When will it be? Will it reach 1409 W/m2?

Believe me, you can feel it here. Being at the same latitude as Memphis,TN or Charlotte,NC but with the solar irradiance of New Orleans during the first half of July is not easy. Thanks to the vast oceans -and the Malvinas (Falklands) Cold Stream- our local temperatures are more like St. Louis or Washington DC's.
 
CapelDodger said:
Time to roll out Al Gore. Oh look, somebody did.

According to a comment on WUWT there's yet another Pause, this one starting in May '97 and a month shorter than the last, which started in Jan '97 (and is now over, of course, like all that went before). I doubt we'll be hearing much more about them.

So ... Al Gore is fat.
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A decade from now there will still be a “pause”, this one will have started 2015.
 
macdoc said:
You know nothing...El Nino is a factor ....AGW overlays the natural inside the box cycles like El Nino.
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You've got that backwards ;) Natural factors are dominant in climate change :cool:

Evolutions of Global Surface and Lower Troposphere Temperature Anomalies in Responses to the 1997/98 and 2015/16 El Niños
We might expect the global surface temperatures to peak in February or March of 2016, assuming 2016 surface temperatures mimic those of 1998. Surface temperatures remained elevated through to the second half of 1998, when they began to show noteworthy drops. Once again, we could expect surface temperatures to continue to drop in 2017 is response to the 2016/17 La Niña…if one forms, which is likely.

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The responses of global surface and lower troposphere temperatures in 2015 are what we would expect for a strong El Niño. In 2016, if global surface and lower troposphere temperatures continue to respond as they had to the 1997/98 El Niño, we can expect global surface and lower troposphere temperatures to be higher in 2016 than they were in 2015.
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So El Niño and La Niña are natural climate cycles NOT driven by AGW :p

As is the Wavy Jet Stream a natural climate cycle that we have had in recent decades also NOT driven by AGW :p

Mmmm what's change in recent decades that could be the cause of our climate changing to that of the Little Ice Age ?

Our Sun starting a Grand Solar Minimum !!!!! :cool:

 
CapelDodger said:
According to a comment on WUWT there's yet another Pause, this one starting in May '97 and a month shorter than the last, which started in Jan '97 (and is now over, of course, like all that went before). I doubt we'll be hearing much more about them.
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Isn't this a cloaked admission that global warming is actually occurring? You can't have two distinct "pauses" if there wasn't something going on between them.

Of course, it sounds like that's just the claim of some site visitor, so I don't know how much it represents the "official" position of WUWT.
 
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Jesus, Haig... Pay attention to what you're doing. You already made that exact post 5 minutes ago.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Isn't this a cloaked admission that global warming is actually occurring? You can't have two distinct "pauses" if there wasn't something going on between them.
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Indeed.

Of course, it sounds like that's just the claim of some site visitor, so I don't know how much it represents the "official" position of WUWT.
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I think the official Keeper Of The Pause is Christopher Monckton, the swivel-eyed viscount, so one would need to consult the GWPF for confirmation. Haig usually reports on it so can presumably enlighten us.

Of course Christopher's method always generates some period, since it simply determines the earliest data-point at which the uncertainty of the trend is sufficient to include zero in the range. A few months ago this would have been Jan '97, but now it's May '97. The Pause from Jan '97 is over. All hail the New Pause - which will be over in a month or two. I estimate Aug '97 as the start-point of the next one, and it'll be shorter yet, mark my words.

This was always going to happen when an El Nino came along which could match 97/98. Which, naturally, was always going to happen.
 
Haig said:
Sorry about that double post, just in too much of a hurry again but I've edited it to what I intended now :o
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You're always in a hurry, specially when you ought to pay attention and understand.

Have you finally understood what TSI is?

If you did, please explain why right now TSI is about 1408 W/m2 and the average temperature of the planet is about 12.9°C while on July 1st 2015 TSI was about 1317 W/m2 yet the global average temperature was about 16.5°C. Do you get it? 3.6°C more with 91 W/m2 less, how is that possible? An ice age?;)

Most people here get that, either as a general concept or with more detail. And you?
 
Haig said:
Ah! it's really funny when you lot think the Sun has so little to do with climate change.
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What is not so funny is the implied insult about the knowledge of the generally climate science savvy posters in this thread from you Haig:
Haig: Greenhouse effect denier - what more need be said ! Except that he has 56 posts of parroted ignorance, delusions and lies from climate change deniers with some of his ignorance, delusions and a lie or three.

The real inanity is an implication that "NASA" was ignorant about the basic science that the Sun is a driver of climate change until 2013! Coupled with a bit of a lie about Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate which is about the effects of the solar cycle on climate - not climate change.
 
Haig said:
Good to know the chocolate makers and going to protect our chocs from Global Warming.
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Good to know that WUWT is still capable of writing quite dumb posts!
This is chocolate makers knowing about the real world where there are hot places where chocolates melt and announcing heat-resistant chocolate to allow more product to be sold in tropical countries. They also know about the fact of global warming reducing their possible markets.

Ignorance of climate science from Haig:
  • weather (a snow storm in Mexico) is not climate.
  • global warming increases precipitation including snow.
Haig: Greenhouse effect denier - what more need be said ! Except that he has 56 posts of parroted ignorance, delusions and lies from climate change deniers with some of his ignorance, delusions and a lie or three.
 
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