Dubai Address hotel fire

Fire on the exterior of a building with fully functioning fire suppression systems

Zero relevance to 9/11, except perhaps as a false flag.

(I note references the fact that it might be reinforced concrete construction, perhaps someone claiming that this non-event is relevant could track that down)
 
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FalseFlag said:
OK, here are some questions. A steel-framed high-rise building has been on fire for two hours. The fire is massive, but confined to the exterior. What are we seeing? Two hours later, is there any sagging, melting, deformation, or collapse? Everyone should be asking those questions, regardless of what the answer is.

Have the firefighters pulled out of the building? If they think the building is going to collapse, why are they still planning on putting on a massive fireworks show? Wouldn't they want to get everyone out of the streets as far away from the building as possible? If they don't think the building will collapse, why do they think this? Is it because steel-framed high-rise buildings don't collapse from fire?
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Did you not see the fire was being fought? Was that the case on 9/11? Were there any other events on 9/11 that would make this different?
 
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DGM said:
Did you not see the fire was being fought? Was that the case on 9/11? Were there any other events on 9/11 that would make this different?
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Did any firefighters die on 9/11? Where did they die? What floors were they on when the building collapsed? What were they doing there?
 
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Did any firefighters die on 9/11? Where did they die? What floors were they on when the building collapsed? What were they doing there?
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Are you serious? About 300 firefighters died in the WTC.

They were inside to evacuate the building and begin fighting the fires. When the first tower collapsed their radios didn't transmit inside the building and they didn't get the messages to stop and evacuate themselves. So they died in both towers in the collapse. I doubt anyone knows who was on which floor.
 
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Multiple explosions in the past few minutes. They appear to be going off towards the bottom of the building.
 
I can't link directly due to the youth of my account, but according to the skyscrapercenter website, this is a concrete building, not a steel-framed building.
 
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I can't link directly due to the youth of my account, but according to the skyscrapercenter website, this is a concrete building, not a steel-framed building.
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Thanks. I will try to find it and post the link. CNN just said something similar. That could certainly change things.
 
http://skyscrapercenter.com/building/the-address/468

It appears that the building is considered a concrete building, and here are the definitions according to the website:

Structural Material

A steel tall building is defined as a building where the main vertical and lateral structural elements and floor systems are constructed from steel.

A concrete tall building is defined as one where the main vertical and lateral structural elements and floor systems are constructed from concrete.

A composite tall building utilizes a combination of both steel and concrete acting compositely in the main structural elements, thus including a steel building with a concrete core.

A mixed-structure tall building is any building that utilizes distinct steel and concrete systems above or below each other. There are two main types of mixed structural systems: A steel/concrete tall building indicates a steel structural system located above a concrete structural system, with the opposite true of a concrete/steel building.

Additional Notes:

1) If a tall building is of steel construction with a floor system of concrete planks on steel beams, it is considered a steel tall building.

2) If a tall building is of steel construction with a floor system of a concrete slab on steel beams, it is considered a steel tall building.

3) If a tall building has steel columns plus a floor system of concrete beams, it is considered a composite tall building.

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From the looks of the building, the fire is on one edge rather than one side so I can see why it isn't threatening to collapse.

The light show has started.
 
FalseFlag said:
OK, here are some questions. A steel-framed high-rise building has been on fire for two hours. The fire is massive, but confined to the exterior. What are we seeing? Two hours later, is there any sagging, melting, deformation, or collapse? Everyone should be asking those questions, regardless of what the answer is.
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Why?

Even if you want to make a comparison to 7 WTC you can't -
1. Totally different design and construction
2. Totally different nature of the damage and fire
3. 7 WTC burned for 7 hours, not 2 and it burned on the inside

I have no particular interest in comparing Apples to Oranges or Ducks to Goats.

Have the firefighters pulled out of the building?
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No. Why would they? Last reports I have read are that the fire was confined to the building exterior and the fire was 65% contained. Under those conditions why would abandoning fire fighting efforts even be an option? This is you imposing your own brand of personal reality-distortion on a totally dissimilar situation.

If they think the building is going to collapse, why are they still planning on putting on a massive fireworks show?
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There is no if. Building collapse is not a factor at all according to all available information.

Why would a building fire cancel a countries New Years celebrations?

Wouldn't they want to get everyone out of the streets as far away from the building as possible?
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Not as possible, but as necessary. There is a difference.

If they don't think the building will collapse, why do they think this? Is it because steel-framed high-rise buildings don't collapse from fire?
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Asked and answered. Once again, this is you imposing your own brand of personal reality-distortion on a totally dissimilar situation.

The only things relevant to anything that happened on 9/11 is that there is a building and some sort of fire.

That's it.

Otherwise the Dubai fire, like 9/11 and the myriad of other building fires that happen on a regular basis is its own unique situation and should be dealt with on its own merits.
 
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