Hillary Clinton is Done

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Foolmewunz said:
I don't think there's as rabid an anti-Hillary base on the right...
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Maybe it's not apparent from the backwaters of the third world nation you reside in. To those living on the Northern continent of the Americas, it is obvious to the extreme! YMMV!
 
BenBurch said:
I think the GOP wants to run against anybody other than Sanders.
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Utter nonsense. Sanders is taking up a minority of the far left. These aren't votes that the GOP could ever capture. Heck, most of them wouldn't stay home if Sanders were off the ballot.

The vast majority of the black vote is going to the Democrat and the Republicans are working as hard as they can to drive the Hispanic voters away. White voters are going to come down exactly the same way they did in 2012. There's nothing Sanders has that the Republicans could fashion a win with.
 
Loss Leader said:
Utter nonsense. Sanders is taking up a minority of the far left. These aren't votes that the GOP could ever capture. Heck, most of them wouldn't stay home if Sanders were off the ballot.

The vast majority of the black vote is going to the Democrat and the Republicans are working as hard as they can to drive the Hispanic voters away. White voters are going to come down exactly the same way they did in 2012. There's nothing Sanders has that the Republicans could fashion a win with.
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Spot on. I can't imagine many people who voted for Obama last election moving to Trump or Cruz simply because Hillary is running. Sure, some might stay home, but too few to make a difference. Unless the Republicans come up with a non-clown candidate, HRC by a landslide.
 
lionking said:
HRC by a landslide.
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Well, I won't say a landslide. I think she'll take Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia and lose Florida. She'll come in at 300 electoral votes.*


*If Trump wins the nomination, all bets are off. I can't predict whether the guy will be fully clothed from one day to the next, let alone how his candidacy would change the electoral map.
 
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Loss Leader said:
... If Trump wins the nomination, all bets are off. I can't predict whether the guy will be fully clothed from one day to the next, let alone how his candidacy would change the electoral map.
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I do so hope if Trump wins that my faith in humanity won't be shattered to find more than 30%, give or take, of the population in the US are that messed up as to vote for him in the national election.
 
varwoche said:
It's hard to square this with the fact that the GOP candidates constantly attack Clinton, and rarely mention Sanders.
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Odd that while watching the debates, it was Clinton always attacking the Republicans! Not the other way around! Yet people continue to roll out this tired canard! Wishful thinking perhaps, on your part?
 
Dog Town said:
Odd that while watching the debates, it was Clinton always attacking the Republicans!
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Hardly odd at all. Clinton was interested in setting the tone that her nomination was inevitable. She gains nothing from attacking Sanders or O'Malley. Treating them like advisers rather than adversaries makes perfect sense.

The Republicans are all fighting for their lives and must try to steal focus from other Republicans. Still, they manage to take quite a fair number of jabs at Clinton (and, sadly, at Bill Clinton as well). It's odd that you don't seem to perceive that.
 
Dog Town said:
Odd that while watching the debates, it was Clinton always attacking the Republicans! Not the other way around! Yet people continue to roll out this tired canard! Wishful thinking perhaps, on your part?
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In the Oct 28 GOP debate, Clinton was mentioned by the candidates 17 times, Sanders was mentioned 3 times.

In the Nov 11 GOP debate, Clinton was mentioned by the candidates 18 times, Sanders was mentioned 2 times.

(These are distinct mentions, omitting multiple mentions in the same paragraph. Sanders mentions were almost all in the form of "Clinton and Sanders".)

Be my guest and check the other debates if you wish. Also twitter feeds. You will see more of the same.

#tired canard! :D
 
varwoche said:
In the Oct 28 GOP debate, Clinton was mentioned by the candidates 17 times, Sanders was mentioned 3 times.

In the Nov 11 GOP debate, Clinton was mentioned by the candidates 18 times, Sanders was mentioned 2 times.

(These are distinct mentions, omitting multiple mentions in the same paragraph. Sanders mentions were almost all in the form of "Clinton and Sanders".)

Be my guest and check the other debates if you wish. Also twitter feeds. You will see more of the same.

#tired canard! :D
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All of which seems to indicate that the Republican candidates recognize the red meat that their base salivates over. Clinton will rally the GOP troops to the canvassing frontlines. They know nothing gets their base to turnout like a Clinton at the head of the Democratic ticket.

Sanders,...not so much.

With Sanders the only memes they have are worn-out.

"Socialist," they've already convinced the base that everyone (including half of their own party's candidates) are socialists, that's not motivating. As far as most Republican voters understand, as long as Hillary isn't in the running they've already won the election and they'd rather fight over whose in control of the Republican party, than get out in the weather to fight against some no name north-eastern liberal socialist who only riles up a few poor minorities and college hippies. Once the elections are over, they'll simply put all those people back in jail where they belong and they can get back to giving pensioner's money to wall street.
 
Trakar said:
All of which seems to indicate that the Republican candidates recognize the red meat that their base salivates over. Clinton will rally the GOP troops to the canvassing frontlines. They know nothing gets their base to turnout like a Clinton at the head of the Democratic ticket.
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I'm sure there are three ingredients: (1) the red meat you mention (2) they view Clinton as a greater threat and (3) the possibility that Sanders wins the nomination isn't taken seriously.

Sanders has yet to receive the treatment. In the highly unlikely circumstance that he wins the nomination, I have little doubt that Sanders=Commie! will galvanize the GOP base, and enough of the independent/undecided to be a problem for those of us who dread President Trump/Cruz.

All things considered, Ben's claim that was the starting point of this sub-thread just doesn't hold water.
 
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logger said:
There are so many people against Clinton, its going to be messy watching all the crap that comes out against her.
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What could possibly "come out" that hasn't been thrown at her already? She was pilloried in 1992 for not baking cookies. She ran for senate twice against Republicans who really did not want her to win. Her character caused Kathy Bates to kill herself in Primary Colors. What other charges could be leveled against her that haven't already been thrown at her dozens of times?
 
Loss Leader said:
Utter nonsense. Sanders is taking up a minority of the far left. These aren't votes that the GOP could ever capture. Heck, most of them wouldn't stay home if Sanders were off the ballot.

The vast majority of the black vote is going to the Democrat and the Republicans are working as hard as they can to drive the Hispanic voters away. White voters are going to come down exactly the same way they did in 2012. There's nothing Sanders has that the Republicans could fashion a win with.
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I have personally encountered people who, according to that infamous DNC database, voted in the GOP Primary last two cycles who say they intend to vote for Sanders. There is a wild card in play here and I don't think you can confidently say what his demographic actually is.
 
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