Obama prepares order on guns

BStrong said:
And the above sentiment as expressed is exactly why so many firearms owners will reject any type of gun control measure based on the slippery slope premise.
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You could just take your toys and go play by yourselves. :rolleyes:
We've seen two separate laws enacted in California wrt "Assault Weapons" with a 26 year track record of failure, and we're going to end up with a new AW law behind the San Bernardino murders, and whatever new law they can dream up won't be any more successful than the last two.
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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
 
NoahFence said:
So has anything actually happened yet?
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Well the Federal prosecutors who answer to Obama made a deal with the guy who violated a bunch of Federal gun laws in "lending" a pistol to the Boston Marathon bomber which was immediately used to kill a cop just got sentenced to time served in jail awaiting trial and he's now released: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-boston-bombings-trial-silva-idUSKBN0U51BY20151222

Because, you see, it's the gun owners like those posting in this thread who are the problem, not the ones who knowingly run guns with defaced serial numbers to people they know are criminals. Sure, you'd save hundreds, maybe thousands of lives a year by strictly enforcing existing gun laws but that would have the effect of putting a disproportionate number of minorities in prison and is therefore racist so we need new laws aimed at people who aren't doing anything harmful.
 
WildCat said:
Congressional action.
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And an anti-gun supreme court.

Remember the NFA of 1934 didn't prohibit machine guns, only taxed them. Logic was under "the congress can raise taxes however" clause.

But autoloaders are so ubiquitous they fall under the 2A, probably can't even be taxed if tax evasion would mean confiscation.
 
WildCat said:
....Sure, you'd save hundreds, maybe thousands of lives a year by strictly enforcing existing gun laws but that would have the effect of putting a disproportionate number of minorities in prison and is therefore racist so we need new laws aimed at people who aren't doing anything harmful.
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Do we have a BINGO!! here?
 
WildCat said:
Yep...

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Image created by Jeff Dege at gun-nuttery.com and used with permission.
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Doesn't that map put the lie to the "Democrats hate guns" meme? And so also the corollary that "it's the NRA and the Repubs that stand in the way of gun safety" ?

A whole bunch of those CCW Shall Issue and Unrestricted states voted Dem in Obama's elections. I eagerly await the day that the Dems flip that plank of their platform. That would eliminate one of the most contentious issues for every election. Anf thusly move both parties more towards the center.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
But that 'so many' is only a tiny 15% of all gun owners. 85 percent of gun owners favor universal background checks.
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What is a "universal bkgd check" and how do you define it? The link you provided seems to define it as bkgd checks for most sales. Doesn't sound very universal at all. What about gifts, loans, transfers, temporary transfers, or just handling a gun that belongs to a friend? What about the person who simply walks into the house of a gun owner? What about the police and military? Would universal bkgd checks apply to them every time they're issued a gun that doesn't belong to them?

Should a bkdg check be required every few years or each time I buy, sell, borrow or handle a gun? Why should I have to be vetted more often than a licensed gun dealer? Living in WA means I'm vetted much more often than any licensed gun dealer, and for what? So I can line the pockets of FFL's and make the nutjobs who proposed messed up legislation feel good?

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
What is a "universal bkgd check" and how do you define it? The link you provided seems to define it as bkgd checks for most sales. Doesn't sound very universal at all. What about gifts, loans, transfers, temporary transfers, or just handling a gun that belongs to a friend? What about the person who simply walks into the house of a gun owner? What about the police and military? Would universal bkgd checks apply to them every time they're issued a gun that doesn't belong to them?

Should a bkdg check be required every few years or each time I buy, sell, borrow or handle a gun? Why should I have to be vetted more often than a licensed gun dealer? Living in WA means I'm vetted much more often than any licensed gun dealer, and for what? So I can line the pockets of FFL's and make the nutjobs who proposed messed up legislation feel good?

Ranb
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You are making a mistake by assuming the model law passed by your state would be used elsewhere. Colorado now requires buyer of person to person sale to pass a 4473, but does not seem to have the ambiguity issues you mention.

In our case the FFL and State each get to charge for the 4473, but not much and not enough to cover the FFL clerk's time. Mostly what it does is prevent people filling out 4473s at every Walmart, sports store and pawn shop in 4 counties "just in case" as happened post sandy hook. The normally 20 minute max wait was about 5 days at peak and stayed around 72 hours for weeks. It cost the State overtime to get the backlog caught up in a timely(ish) manner. Hence, the filing fee.
 
BenBurch said:
Guns themselves should be registered and licensed. And there should be examinations to determine if you can be licensed to use them. And insurance will have to be provided. And if your gun ends up in somebody else's hands and you didn't report it stolen, you go to jail right along with them.

Almost exactly like cars.
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And if someone does report their gun stolen the criminal still has the gun. I mention this because I keep seeing people suggest that there should be huge fines if people don't report their gun stolen - which seems reasonable, except that it does zero to stop crime.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
You are making a mistake by assuming the model law passed by your state would be used elsewhere.
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Not at all. I'm suggesting that the model in WA sucks and that it could be used as a model in other states.

A bill was proposed in Nevada, it was nearly as stupid as I-594 in WA.

I'd also be interested in knowing how people here would define the words Universal Background Check". The way I've seen it defined on the net is not really universal at all.

Ranb
 
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Ranb said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/16/politics/obama-mike-bloomberg-gun-control/index.html

If an EO is used to require bkgd checks for all gun transfers, I wonder how it will be worded? Will it only cover sales, or any and all transfers? Will it be as overly strict as the one passed in WA which could land a person in prison for residing in an apartment with a gun owning roommate? Maybe it will simply define a gun show and require bkgd checks for any transfer at the gun show.

Ranb
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My dad likes to show off his latest modification he's done to his firearms (he's a hobbyist gunsmith). If it's something like a scope or a collapsible stock, he'll hand it to me so I can see how it works/fits. Will this innocuous behavior become a crime?
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
They're coming for your guns AND your soul. Your fears are justified.



:rolleyes:
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The Democrats in Oregon already passed a law that would make that activity a crime. Yes, it is justified. The Democrats are doing ******* *********** loco ******** in other parts of the country. Why should I automatically assume Obama would do less than the what his party is already doing?
 
Newtons Bit said:
The Democrats in Oregon already passed a law that would make that activity a crime. Yes, it is justified. The Democrats are doing ******* *********** loco ******** in other parts of the country. Why should I automatically assume Obama would do less than the what his party is already doing?
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You shouldn't!!!! You should bunker down immediately and prepare to defend your toys from the godless hordes that are coming for them!!!!
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
You shouldn't!!!! You should bunker down immediately and prepare to defend your toys from the godless hordes that are coming for them!!!!
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Don't forget working to eliminate the Democratic party, so only the GOP can be elected into power so there's no chance of anyone taking away your guns!
 
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