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Obama prepares order on guns

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/16/politics/obama-mike-bloomberg-gun-control/index.html
Obama has met with a series of gun control advocates in recent weeks as his aides complete work on a potential order expected to expand background checks on gun sales by closing the so-called "gun show loophole."

A timeline on the order -- which has been tangled in legal and administrative questions -- is still unknown.
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If an EO is used to require bkgd checks for all gun transfers, I wonder how it will be worded? Will it only cover sales, or any and all transfers? Will it be as overly strict as the one passed in WA which could land a person in prison for residing in an apartment with a gun owning roommate? Maybe it will simply define a gun show and require bkgd checks for any transfer at the gun show.

Ranb
 
From wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Specifically, seven gun show loophole bills were introduced in the U.S. House and four in the Senate between 2001 and 2013. None passed.
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Far as I know, Obama can not make laws. Especially when the House and Senate have declined to make the same law. But it will be feel good action pandering to the liberals.
 
Yeggster said:
Well one thing for sure ... it will 100% eliminate any future mass shooting ... whew!
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Are you suggesting that any measures which cannot "100% eliminate any future mass shooting" should be dismissed out of hand?

There are an awful lot of laws you're going to have to repeal if that's your standard.
 
The tide is slowly turning. Perhaps one day in the future when US gun death rates start moving towards those of civilised first world countries this order will be seen as an important starting point.
 
As someone who supports background checks for gun sales, I actually hope that the president doesn't try to close the "gun show loophole" by executive order. There's a good chance such an order wouldn't withstand judicial review and an attempt at unconstitutional overreach by the president could be great propaganda for the NRA.
 
WildCat said:
One that is likely illegal, as an EO cannot make new law.

We'll see how it is worded.
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Can an EO change the way the Government addresses existing laws? Can this be part of the "Enforce Existing Gun Laws" meme that goes around?
 
Civet said:
As someone who supports background checks for gun sales, I actually hope that the president doesn't try to close the "gun show loophole" by executive order. There's a good chance such an order wouldn't withstand judicial review and an attempt at unconstitutional overreach by the president could be great propaganda for the NRA.
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And some crazies will be saying that it's a great example of why they need to have a strong armed civilian force to counter the tyrannical actions of the President. :rolleyes:
 
If he does anything, it likely won't make too much sense, won't affect criminals at all, and will mostly be for show.

Or, it will be so wrong/illegal/unconstitutional, that even people in favor of gun control will be shocked.
 
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The last time there was speculation on a future executive order by Obama addressing guns, it turned out that he issued several executive actions instead. Never heard of any impact those EA's may have had on the country.

Ranb
 
3point14 said:
Are you suggesting that any measures which cannot "100% eliminate any future mass shooting" should be dismissed out of hand?

There are an awful lot of laws you're going to have to repeal if that's your standard.
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I'm suggesting its "feel good bill", that won't pass .. and yes there is thousands of laws that should be repealed (or hundreds of thousands)
 
Yeggster said:
I'm suggesting its "feel good bill", that won't pass .. and yes there is thousands of laws that should be repealed (or hundreds of thousands)
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That makes much more sense. It's not what you said initially, indeed, it's a completely different comment from the first.
 
casebro said:
From wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole



Far as I know, Obama can not make laws. Especially when the House and Senate have declined to make the same law. But it will be feel good action pandering to the liberals.
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Trying something is better than just stating over and over "nothing can be done short of arming everybody" which is pretty much the only stance the gun supporter offer. No support of any check, training or anything whatsoever away from that position, and this certainly did not change in the last, what, 30 , 40 years ?

I expect nothing whatsoever to change. The US will have its regular mass shooting, gun supporter will wring their hand and pretend arming everybody needs to be done as this is the sole solution, will pretend US exceptionalism is fine and US situation cannot be compared to Europe etc... That has been going on for decade and will continue for decade.
 
Aepervius said:
Trying something is better than just stating over and over "nothing can be done short of arming everybody" which is pretty much the only stance the gun supporter offer. No support of any check, training or anything whatsoever away from that position, and this certainly did not change in the last, what, 30 , 40 years ?
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Perhaps you can quote the many gun supporters on this board who have taken such positions?
 
Aepervius said:
Trying something is better than just stating over and over "nothing can be done short of arming everybody" which is pretty much the only stance the gun supporter offer. No support of any check, training or anything whatsoever away from that position, and this certainly did not change in the last, what, 30 , 40 years ?

I expect nothing whatsoever to change. The US will have its regular mass shooting, gun supporter will wring their hand and pretend arming everybody needs to be done as this is the sole solution, will pretend US exceptionalism is fine and US situation cannot be compared to Europe etc... That has been going on for decade and will continue for decade.
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Trying something is not necessarily better.

I support training, improvement of the background check system, and stricter enforcement of the many gun laws we already have.

The first thing I would do is get rid of the "3 days and you're good" rule on background checks that cleared the way for Dylann Roof to buy a gun.

I would make it a more reasonable time to investigate, like 1 week.
I would also not allow a "non-response" from NICS to mean that the purchase is legal. I would require a definitive yes or no from NICS.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I support training, improvement of the background check system, and stricter enforcement of the many gun laws we already have..
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Can an Executive Order be used to mandate stricter enforcement if existing laws? I keep hearing that Obama cannot create laws through Executive Orders - does anybody think otherwise? Is there any chance that he can just use the EO to require changes in the way the various agencies implement existing laws?
 
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