Religious advertising - is it deceptive?

[dejudge]

It is not unsual for deceptive ads to be pulled.

Examine the Lord's Prayer--it is obvious fiction.

https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/daily2/lordsprayercreed.aspx

It is completely unacceptable that in the 21st century that religious ads should be allowed with KNOWN fiction.

Today, even ads for medication which have been proven to be effective MUST also clearly show or state any ADVERSE side effects that may be harmful to the user.

Religious ads about the Lord's Prayer must also clearly state that their claims have never been proven to be true.

There is no evidence any actual character called the Lord ever said such a prayer or asked anyone at anytime to say it.

 

[The Greater Fool]

It is not unsual for deceptive ads to be pulled.

Examine the Lord's Prayer--it is obvious fiction.

https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/daily2/lordsprayercreed.aspx

It is completely unacceptable that in the 21st century that religious ads should be allowed with KNOWN fiction.

Today, even ads for medication which have been proven to be effective MUST also clearly show or state any ADVERSE side effects that may be harmful to the user.

Religious ads about the Lord's Prayer must also clearly state that their claims have never been proven to be true.There is no evidence any actual character called the Lord ever said such a prayer or asked anyone at anytime to say it.

Highlight Must it? This clearly is unsupportable nonsense.

What claim or promise is the Lord's Praying making that they need to provide evidence? Nothing is promised to the prayor.

Fictional Characters are not an issue, unless you really believe there is a person identified as "the most interesting man in the world". Or, did I miss the disclaimer that this character is a fiction?

Jesus, god, and the entirety of holy writ may be fiction. So what? "The Da Vinci Code" has no evidence it was accurate, no disclaimer that the characters were fictional, not even support that it was particularly entertaining. Yet, they advertised the crap out of the book.

There is one overriding principle in viewing advertisements: Their purpose is to sell you something: A product, an idea, whatever. Buyer beware.

 

[dejudge]

Highlight Must it? This clearly is unsupportable nonsense.

What claim or promise is the Lord's Praying making that they need to provide evidence? Nothing is promised to the prayor.

Fictional Characters are not an issue, unless you really believe there is a person identified as "the most interesting man in the world". Or, did I miss the disclaimer that this character is a fiction?

Jesus, god, and the entirety of holy writ may be fiction. So what? "The Da Vinci Code" has no evidence it was accurate, no disclaimer that the characters were fictional, not even support that it was particularly entertaining. Yet, they advertised the crap out of the book.

There is one overriding principle in viewing advertisements: Their purpose is to sell you something: A product, an idea, whatever. Buyer beware.

False claims are the issue.

Asking people to pray to a fictional character for food, remission of sins and to prevent criminal activity is blatant deception.

There is zero evidence that any actual person called the Lord said such a prayer or asked people to repeat it at anytime.

Examine the Lord's Prayer.

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us.
Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. For the kingdom, the power,
and the glory are yours
now and for ever.
Amen.

The Lord's prayer is known deception.

1. There is no evidence and never have been any evidence that the "Lord in heaven" have given or can give anyone "daily bread".

2. There is no evidence and never have been any evidence that the "Lord in heaven" has forgiven or could ever forgive the sins of anyone.

3. There is no evidence and never have been any evidence that the "Lord in heaven" has actually prevented anyone from being tempted or delivered anyone from evil.

Religious ads with known unproven claims as found in the Lord's Prayer are completely unacceptable in the 21st century.

 

[The Greater Fool]

False claims are the issue.

There are no false claims, not that that is generally an issue in advertising.

Asking people to pray to a fictional character for food, remission of sins and to prevent criminal activity is blatant deception.

No, there is no deception.

There is zero evidence that any actual person called the Lord said such a prayer or asked people to repeat it at anytime.

Again, so what? There is no "most interesting man in the world" either.

Examine the Lord's Prayer.

OK

1. There is no evidence and never have been any evidence that the "Lord in heaven" have given or can give anyone "daily bread".

There is no promise to give bread to anyone.

2. There is no evidence and never have been any evidence that the "Lord in heaven" has forgiven or could ever forgive the sins of anyone.

There is no promise to forgive sins; Not only that, but 'sin' is a philosophical construct that is defined however one wishes to define it. Further, forgiveness, in this context, is also a philosophical construct that can be defined as one wishes. The phrase "forgive us our sins" has as much meaning as "freeble us our grue."

3. There is no evidence and never have been any evidence that the "Lord in heaven" has actually prevented anyone from being tempted or delivered anyone from evil.

There is no promise to prevent temptation nor to provide deliverance from evil.

Religious ads with known unproven claims as found in the Lord's Prayer are completely unacceptable in the 21st century.

There are no claims, proven or otherwise.

In the 21st century, religion should be handled just as any other social / political club with an agenda. Religion should not be granted the special status you seem to believe it deserves.

 

[dejudge]

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There are no claims, proven or otherwise.

In the 21st century, religion should be handled just as any other social / political club with an agenda. Religion should not be granted the special status you seem to believe it deserves.

Your post makes very little sense. You appear to be confused. I have never ever claimed religion should be granted speacial status.

It is deception to make an ad with the Lord's Prayer when there is no evidence of such an ACTUAL Lord and such a Prayer .

Who is this Lord in heaven?

When did he say such a Prayer?

The so-called Lord's Prayer is obviously a product of fiction and deception.


Isn't The Lochness monster Prayer more effective than the Lord's Prayer??

 

[JayUtah]

I have never ever claimed religion should be granted speacial status.

You seem to be trying to hold this religious message to a higher standard than other advertising, in terms of truth and efficacy. Whether there is a god and whether he gives out bread is irrelevant. There's no deception in a petition. A petition does not imply any promise of fulfillment. It's no more deceptive than saying, "Let there be peace on Earth." That's never happened either, but it's not deception to petition it.

You urged us to "[e]xamine the Lord's prayer." The Greater Fool did, in the context of advertisting alone, and found that it is no more deceptive than any other form of advertising, most of which would be acceptable in a cinema, and most of which is similarly based on fiction and deception.

 

[dejudge]

You seem to be trying to hold this religious message to a higher standard than other advertising, in terms of truth and efficacy. Whether there is a god and whether he gives out bread is irrelevant. There's no deception in a petition. A petition does not imply any promise of fulfillment. It's no more deceptive than saying, "Let there be peace on Earth." That's never happened either, but it's not deception to petition it.

You urged us to "[e]xamine the Lord's prayer." The Greater Fool did, in the context of advertisting alone, and found that it is no more deceptive than any other form of advertising, most of which would be acceptable in a cinema, and most of which is similarly based on fiction and deception.

On examination of the Lord's Prayer it is fiction and deception.

Please answer the questions!!!

Who is the Lord in heaven?

When did the Lord say such a prayer?

It is blatant deception to imply that a fiction character called the Lord in heaven can give people "daily bread".

People need to get a real job so that they can get their "daily bread".

 

[JayUtah]

On examination of the Lord's Prayer it is fiction and deception.

Asked and answered. The Lord's prayer a petition. Petitions and supplications do not presume actionability or success. They cannot be deceptive in the way you seem to think they are.

Please answer the questions!

No. I don't care to be barked at when my reasoned points are simply ignored. When you have addressed my points, then you may raise additional questions.

 

[The Greater Fool]

On examination of the Lord's Prayer it is fiction and deception.

Please answer the questions!!!

Who is the Lord in heaven?

Who is Santa Claus?

When did the Lord say such a prayer?

When did Santa Claus start checking lists of good and bad children?

It is blatant deception to imply that a fiction character called the Lord in heaven can give people "daily bread".

It is a blatant deception to imply Santa Clause delivers presents to children.

People need to get a real job so that they can get their "daily bread".

People need to get a real job so they can buy gifts.

 

[arthwollipot]

As I have said before, "Prove god exists!" is a fantastic way to derail and shut down any conversation about any aspect of religion. If that's your goal, this is a perfect way to achieve it.

 

[dejudge]

Asked and answered. The Lord's prayer a petition. Petitions and supplications do not presume actionability or success. They cannot be deceptive in the way you seem to think they are.

Again, who is the Lord?

When did the Lord Pray?

There is no evidence of any such thing as the LORD'S PRAYER.

In the NT, the character called the Lord could not have prayed.

It is deception to claim that the Lord in heaven Prayed when there has never ever been any evidence.

Asking people to make petitions to fiction character for daily bread, forgiveness of sins is blatant deception.

I don't care to be barked at when my reasoned points are simply ignored. When you have addressed my points, then you may raise additional questions.

You have no points.

You cannot tell me what to write or what to ask!!!!

The Lord is a fiction character in the NT and did NOT actually pray in the myth fables called the Gospels.


It is unacceptable in the 21st century to have religious ads with known fiction--the Lord's Prayer.

The Lord has NEVER PRAYED!!!

 

[The Greater Fool]

Again, who is the Lord?

When did the Lord Pray?

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Obviously, as you have no disagreement with my previous post, you accept the absurdity of your position.

Who is Santa Claus?

When did Santa Claus deliver presents?

Yet, we see Santa Claus in all sorts of adverts, being asked for and giving presents.

Your position is revealed for the nonsense it is.

 

[fagin]

They don't suggest that Santa is real.

(He is though.)

 

[dejudge]

Obviously, as you have no disagreement with my previous post, you accept the absurdity of your position.

Who is Santa Claus?

When did Santa Claus deliver presents?

Yet, we see Santa Claus in all sorts of adverts, being asked for and giving presents.

Your position is revealed for the nonsense it is.

Your statement is absurd and quite contradictory.

You admit that you SAW Santa Claus giving presents in all sorts of ads.

The "Lord in heaven" cannot and could not ever even give a free word in a prayer.

Tell if us you EVER SAW the LORD in heaven give anyone "their daily bread".

People must get a job or perhaps get presents from the Santa Claus you SAW or they might starve to death while saying the "Lord's Prayer".

The "Lord's Prayer" is open deception [FALSE ATTRIBUTION]

The Lord in the NT is a fiction character.

 

[JayUtah]

They don't suggest that Santa is real.

(He is though.)

Based remotely on a real person, now interred (mostly) in Bari, Italy.

The point is that the Lord's Prayer isn't going to convince anyone that God exists and will feed them any more than "The Night Before Christmas" will convince anyone that Santa Claus exists and will bring them presents. The claim that rejecting the ads is proper because they're deceptive has little factual basis, no matter how strongly people might disagree with the practice of Christianity. But that disagreement offers a better reason. The ads are rejected because they introduce a potentially divisive and discomforting element into a situation where it doesn't belong.

500 people assembled to watch the new Star Wars movie can be assumed to be Star Wars fans. They can be reasonably assumed to like other science fiction adventure movies, or movies in general. A prudent cinema owner can tailor the other messages he offers toward those ends. Those 500 people cannot be reasonably assumed to be Christians or interested in a public Christian supplication. Indeed it can be seen to have a repulsive effect: "Naw, let's not go to Wembleyplex; they show religious adverts before their films."

 

[JayUtah]

The "Lord's Prayer" is open deception [FALSE ATTRIBUTION]

Claims must be credible in order to be legally actionable as a false attribution or on any other grounds. Do you honestly think the first time anyone hears of the Christian god will be in a cinema? Do you honestly think the audiences involved will not be familiar with the economic reality of obtaining food and clothing? Do you honestly think someone's going to come home to his family and say, "Hey, everyone, I've just been to the cinema and heard of a wonderful magical being who will feed us, and so I've quit my job"?

Your argument presupposes audiences primarily composed of what I can only imagine are idiots who've lived in caves up until the moment they decided to go see a movie. That is the only way such an ad would be deceptive to the point we needed to worry about it.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

As I have said before, "Prove god exists!" is a fantastic way to derail and shut down any conversation about any aspect of religion. If that's your goal, this is a perfect way to achieve it.

Yep, always works for me. I seldom have to draw on somebody after that.

 

[dejudge]

Claims must be credible in order to be legally actionable as a false attribution or on any other grounds. Do you honestly think the first time anyone hears of the Christian god will be in a cinema? Do you honestly think the audiences involved will not be familiar with the economic reality of obtaining food and clothing? Do you honestly think someone's going to come home to his family and say, "Hey, everyone, I've just been to the cinema and heard of a wonderful magical being who will feed us, and so I've quit my job"?

Your questions show that you have no idea that there are MILLIONS of people called Christians who ACTUALLY expect and believe that their Lord did Pray and can give them their daily bread if they quit their job if it is the Lord's will.

Your argument presupposes audiences primarily composed of what I can only imagine are idiots who've lived in caves up until the moment they decided to go see a movie. That is the only way such an ad would be deceptive to the point we needed to worry about it.

Obviously, you have no idea of the vast amount of people in the 21st century who PRAY to their Lord for their daily bread because they were DECEIVED.

 

[JayUtah]

Your questions show that you have no idea...

I'm well aware that Christians exist. I'm not personally acquainted with any who rely in any measurable degree for their sustenance on simply praying to God and expecting to be fed with no further effort on their part, nor am I aware of any Christian sect that teaches this portion of the Lord's prayer as a literal expectation. All the Christians I know have ordinary jobs, except for the very few who live in holy orders and are sustained by donations from other humans. So unless you provide actual evidence to rebut the observations I've raised, I will consider your argument a straw man.

Also, of the people you say receive their "daily bread" as the result of the Lord's prayer, was it these cinema ads that convinced them?

 

[The Greater Fool]

Your statement is absurd and quite contradictory.

You admit that you SAW Santa Claus giving presents in all sorts of ads.

Yes, in Movies, TV, certain social events, everywhere. Just like 'the lord' is seen in movies, TV, certain social event, everywhere.

The "Lord in heaven" cannot and could not ever even give a free word in a prayer.

Nor can Santa Clause give a free gift.

Tell if us you EVER SAW the LORD in heaven give anyone "their daily bread".

Yes, in exactly the same ways I've seen Santa give gifts.

People must get a job or perhaps get presents from the Santa Claus you SAW or they might starve to death while saying the "Lord's Prayer".

They might starve to death waiting on Santa.

The "Lord's Prayer" is open deception [FALSE ATTRIBUTION]

No argument. Santa is also an open deception.

The Lord in the NT is a fiction character.

Santa is a fictional character.

For all intents and purposes, what can be said of 'the lord' can be said of 'Santa Claus' (well, except for the resurrection and a desire to destroy the world).

Your arguments on "the lord's" existence are exactly the same as you repeat (and repeat for pages on top of pages) in two other threads in this sub-forum. It is blatantly off-topic in this thread.