Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
It's part of the whole. Intimately associated with the body of religious work it references.
The same could be said about quibbling.
Who said I did?
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Religious advertising - is it deceptive?
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Who said I did?
Seriously!!!
My "baggage"... what about the 2.5 BILLION people who believe the Jewish Sky Daddy is their sky daddy and that if they genuflect and supplicate and beg hard enough he will give them the things they so desire.
Yes... like 2.5 BILLION people on earth who believe the Jewish Sky Daddy is their sky daddy and that if they genuflect and supplicate and beg hard enough he will give them the things they so desire.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Did that ad convince them to do that?
I Am The Scum
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Careful, Leumas. You're getting dangerously close to conceding that it's not in the text.
Yes...Just like all the other false advertising throughout the millennia that convinced their parents and coerced their ancestors and paved the way for this particular latest false advertising.
Much like the latest misleading advertisement for XYZ did not convince the ones who already have been deceived by previous advertising campaigns, but rather might convince new people to become XYZ addicts while at the same time reinforcing the habits of the already addicted to rush out and consume more XYZ.
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The Greater Fool
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Yes, be careful to deal with the actual advertisement... or, as it is sometimes referred to: The point.
Here is the point
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The Greater Fool
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JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
You keep reaching outside the actual text.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
Don't get that point stuck in your side.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
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Gawdzilla Sama
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JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
No, that isn't the point. No one has questioned the proposition that religion engenders unevidenced beliefs and makes dubious claims, generally speaking. That doesn't make every chunk of text that mentions a religious topic somehow deceptive by mere reference. You keep applying the same non sequitur.
A theatrical recitation of the Lord's prayer doesn't even qualify as an ad. It solicits nothing from the viewer. The only solicitations involved are from the actors (who may or may not be actual Christians) reciting a formulaic supplication to the Christian god in a set of fictional depictions.
Even granting the remote possibility that the mere mention of God or divine providence somehow makes a credible advertised promise, your picture effectively undermines that. It shows that there are easily discovered rational reasons for distrusting and disputing the Christian message, that they arise in a lively and highly visible dialogue on the subject, and that the viewer need not rely solely upon the claimant to provide accurate information. Caveat emptor. The lack of information asymmetry in this situation renders even the most lenient interpretation of the recitation nondeceptive.
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JayUtah
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Asked and answered. Deceptive advertising is judged upon the ad itself, not whatever other sins the advertiser may have committed. Even well-justified animus toward an advertiser doesn't prove an ad is deceptive.
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
But in this universe that's not the case...
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Yes, it is the case. The whole point is that if you're going to talk about deceptive advertising, you have to apply the truth-in-advertising standards uniformly. No amount of well-justified hatred for religion means you get to change the rules for religious advertisers. If you want to step outside the context of advertising and discuss religious speech and practice more generally, then the baggage is more relevant.
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The Greater Fool
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Based on the criteria evidenced in this thread, certainly any company with scandalous pasts...
Republicans can never advertise, because they employ lies and deception throughout their organization. Actually, like banning religion, this may not be a bad thing;
Democrats, likewise;
Volkswagon can never advertise again, because of the corporate lies about vehicle emissions;
Well, all car companies, as they have all had scandals and recalls;
Banks for their previous illegal discrimination on lending;
Insurance companies for red-lining;
Law Enforcement wouldn't be able to provide public service advertisements, what with their abuses of the constitution in the past;
Military likewise;
Or, perhaps advertisements should be judged on the content of the specific advertisement being discussed, which happens to be how it is handled by the enforcement bodies responsible for monitoring advertising.
Republicans can never advertise, because they employ lies and deception throughout their organization. Actually, like banning religion, this may not be a bad thing;
Democrats, likewise;
Volkswagon can never advertise again, because of the corporate lies about vehicle emissions;
Well, all car companies, as they have all had scandals and recalls;
Banks for their previous illegal discrimination on lending;
Insurance companies for red-lining;
Law Enforcement wouldn't be able to provide public service advertisements, what with their abuses of the constitution in the past;
Military likewise;
Or, perhaps advertisements should be judged on the content of the specific advertisement being discussed, which happens to be how it is handled by the enforcement bodies responsible for monitoring advertising.
Last I looked the topic of this thread was
Religious advertising - is it deceptive?
It is not
Religion cannot and should not be allowed to advertise because they are deceptive?
No one argued that they should be disallowed to advertise.
The argument is Religious advertising - is it deceptive?... notice the question mark.
Is it deceptive?????
Yes it is because anything religious is deceptive.
The whole CRUX of religion let alone their advertising is nothing but deception.
When it comes to the so called Lord's Prayer.
The two words in the title let alone the content are deceptions
- There is no Lord.
- There are no sky daddies with or without kingdoms or even democratic republics either.
- Prayer to nonexistent imaginary magical sky daddies is a waste of time.
- No imaginary magical sky daddies give anyone any daily anything.
So an advertisement or commercial or documentary or announcement that recites the fraudulent lord's anything is false everything let alone advertisement.
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What if we call it the "Our Father"? That solves the whole problem, right?
Phew!
Type sky daddy again. Every time an anti-theist types sky daddy, an angel gets his wings! And this Big Daddy takes a shot (of beer because liver failure otherwise, know what I mean??
)DRINK!
I Am The Scum
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Would you say the same about an advertisement containing Santa Claus, or Superman?