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Oystein said:
Burden of evidence is on the claimant. That would be spooky24 here.
Unless you, beachnut, share in that claim, then you ought to assume your share of the burden
I have listened to a part of one William Pepper speech and do not know this is a fact.
I can be convinced of the claim with proper evidence :)
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Okay, I am not out to make Pepper look dumber than dirt, Pepper is the expert at that.

On the Vg diagram I was able to research the Vg diagram using google and found the diagram Balsamo faked, and added BS to. I am also a pilot and engineer, and knew the Vg diagram was an engineering product, and I knew Balsamo's faked the Vg diagram, as anyone else could, the speeds he photo-shopped were not in the proper portion to the graph, it was clear to me...

I know you like evidence, even when I was the expert on the fake Vg diagram, you demanded I spell it out, and explain; better, you wanted the rest of the story. That is good, I never know what level of abstraction I need to explain, and I am terrible at writing and speaking... that being said, when I use the template needed to make a "top performer paper or speech", I can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=126Nb6ArLG4
Okay, another speech by Pepper filled with CT, to CT, Gish Gallop, special credit woo.
If you don't like this one, then try harder to help me out and find one that meets your standards...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=126Nb6ArLG4
At 15:16, William Pepper, with no evidence, claims OKC and the first WTC bombing were false flags. CT to CT, non stop BS. Need more? Proof - complete

In one video he claims "they" are after him, breaking into this "home". He also claims he should have been "hit", but then he teamed with MLK family, and it would have been exposed if he was killed. He spews so much BS, I assume if he files enough law suits, he will win one; BS works on many people...

ProBonoShill said:
Isn't it cute how Georgio asked for cites from debunkers but lets twoofer dolts off the hook completely.
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That is true; Georgio presents (i can't spell) BS on this forum and can't figure out Gage is a fraud. Fails to ask for proof from idiots on video spewing BS, and then worries Pepper is falsely accused of something; yet Pepper is a super BS artist, who does go from CT to CT without any evidence... just BS
 
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ProBonoShill said:
Isn't it cute how Georgio asked for cites from debunkers but lets twoofer dolts off the hook completely.
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If anyone, regardless of their position on 9/11 were to accuse someone of something as serious as anti-semitism I would want them to back up the accusation. Are you happy to leave the accusation of anti-semitism hanging there unproven just because it comes from a 'debunker' and is accusing a 'twoofer dolt'?

Remember we're talking about one specific statement here. Please answer with reference to this specific issue (the accusation that Pepper said that something was done by someone in order to enrich his fellow Jews).

Beachnut - this:

He gets the shakes as he struggles to say "and we all know George Bush shot down EWA -excuse me- TWA 800 in order to enrich his fellow---you know it's coming-you have been waiting-now here it is THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!

is a reporting statement. It is a statement reporting something that has been seen by the writer of the statement, which in this case is spooky24. How on earth is it saying or implying that the last bit is what William Pepper might/could have said next?
 
Georgio said:
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Beachnut - this:

He gets the shakes as he struggles to say "and we all know George Bush shot down EWA -excuse me- TWA 800 in order to enrich his fellow---you know it's coming-you have been waiting-now here it is THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!
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After hearing Pepper say OKC and the WTC bombing are false flag, TWA 800 would not be a surprize. The Jews part I doubt was part of the quote, but something we see on all the youtube videos where fence sitters and true believers blame Jews in the comments; sick minds with sick claims; Pepper spews CT after CT with no evidence. It is not even a technically correct quote. Why are you upset? The fact is the more I see of Pepper, the more Pepper spews lies.

Which part has you upset? Pepper can't get anything about 911 correct. Pepper thinks OKC was a false flag, and he thinks the WTC bombing was a false flag. Is Pepper a hero to CTers?

Do you think OKC and WTC bombing are false flags? Flight 800?
 
beachnut said:
The Jews part I doubt was part of the quote, but something we see on all the youtube videos where fence sitters and true believers blame Jews in the comments; sick minds with sick claims;
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I'll ignore your clumsy attempt at baiting me and just ask - what happened to it being a speculation on spooky24's part about what Pepper might say next?
 
Georgio said:
If anyone, regardless of their position on 9/11 were to accuse someone of something as serious as anti-semitism I would want them to back up the accusation. Are you happy to leave the accusation of anti-semitism hanging there unproven just because it comes from a 'debunker' and is accusing a 'twoofer dolt'?

Remember we're talking about one specific statement here. Please answer with reference to this specific issue (the accusation that Pepper said that something was done by someone in order to enrich his fellow Jews).

Beachnut - this:

He gets the shakes as he struggles to say "and we all know George Bush shot down EWA -excuse me- TWA 800 in order to enrich his fellow---you know it's coming-you have been waiting-now here it is THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!

is a reporting statement. It is a statement reporting something that has been seen by the writer of the statement, which in this case is spooky24. How on earth is it saying or implying that the last bit is what William Pepper might/could have said next?
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Really, so accusing people of murdering three thousand of their fellow citizens isn't a serious accusation?

Okie Dokie.
 
We seem to be getting further and further away from spooky24 providing evidence for his claim and nearer and nearer to a different discussion about my pressuring for such evidence. I wonder why?
 
Georgio said:
We seem to be getting further and further away from spooky24 providing evidence for his claim and nearer and nearer to a different discussion about my pressuring for such evidence. I wonder why?
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spooky24 made it clear in his posts, like he might not come back because...

He made a post, and after seeing Pepper in action spewing CT after CT with no evidence, it does not matter what spooky24 wrote; for 911 William Pepper has nothing of value for 911, OKC, the first WTC bombing; he is CT laa laa land, the big BS heaven where paranoid people clap when he makes up BS, most likely plagiarized from the truth movement, or CT of the day...
 
beachnut said:
it does not matter what spooky24 wrote;
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That you think it doesn't matter has been made abundantly clear. I've no further interest in discussing this - I'll just keep bumping the anti-semitism thread every so often to give spooky24 the opportunity to prove or retract his claim.
 
Georgio said:
That you think it doesn't matter has been made abundantly clear. I've no further interest in discussing this - I'll just keep bumping the anti-semitism thread every so often to give spooky24 the opportunity to prove or retract his claim.
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There are plenty of anti-semitic 911 truth cult members, no need to add Pepper in the mix. Did spooky24 say Pepper said it, or did spooky24 mean he was expecting Pepper to say it after all the BS Pepper said; a body of work spewing BS is Peppers game, the CT BS artist with a black belt in woo.

As for AE911T, you still on the fence on CD and Gage's brigade of dolts spewing BS on 911? Why?
Do you support anything William Pepper lies about? OKC is one of Pepper's conspiracy theories, are you on the fence for that too? Why? We can bump until we get answers... Not baiting you, wanting to know if other lies have fooled you, like the OKC CTs.

Why does Gage lie? Money or does he believe the dirt dumb lies he pushes of CD, and thermite?
 
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Oystein said:
Strawman.
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Yeah no.

His post again with emphasis added.

If anyone, regardless of their position on 9/11 were to accuse someone of something as serious as anti-semitism I would want them to back up the accusation.
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Georgio is giant hypocrite and it's blatantly obvious.
 
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'I would want them to back up the accusation' is not the same as 'I would pressure them to back up the accusation'.

Georgio is giant hypocrite and it's blatantly obvious.
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Accepted. That's fine. I don't tend to attack 9/11 Truth supporters as much as 9/11 Truth attackers because I feel very few people here attack 9/11 Truth attackers when it is justified, and very many attack 9/11 Truth supporters when it is not justified. That is the reason for my hypocrisy but hypocrisy it absolutely is. I 100% agree with you. We can consider the matter of my hypocrisy closed now.

Dodge noted.
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Deflection/distraction from the possible false accusation of anti-semitism by a forum member also noted.
 
Georgio said:
"I don't tend to attack 9/11 Truth supporters as much as 9/11 Truth attackers because I feel very few people here attack 9/11 Truth attackers when it is justified, and very many attack 9/11 Truth supporters when it is not justified. That is the reason for my hypocrisy but hypocrisy it absolutely is. I 100% agree with you. We can consider the matter of my hypocrisy closed".
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On this point, I think we share some measure of agreement Georgio.

It is truly sad that 9/11 Truth attackers feel constantly compelled to scorn 9/11 Truth supporters. My feeling is that people who are honestly comfortable in their beliefs do not need to be so over zealous in defending them.

On the other hand, people who are insecure in their convictions behave in the rabid, childish, mocking manner, all too often exhibited by 9/11 Truth attackers in this forum and elsewhere.

Fight the good fight Georgio, be your own man, and whether you agree or disagree with the advocates of 9/11 Trurh, don't let the zealots here bully you into submission.
 
Criteria said:
My feeling is that people who are honestly comfortable in their beliefs do not need to be so over zealous in defending them.
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What about people that are comfortable in their belief but refuse to address issues presented against those believes?

You are certainly guilty of this.
 
Criteria said:
Fight the good fight Georgio, be your own man, and whether you agree or disagree with the advocates of 9/11 Trurh, don't let the zealots here bully you into submission.
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Thanks Criteria. As you know I am pretty much convinced that, broadly speaking, there isn't a reason to question the so-called 'official narrative' of 9/11, but I also get very frustrated at the tribalism that occurs on discussion boards on this subject. I feel very sorry for 9/11 Truth supporters who post here or 9/11 Truth critics that post on pro-9/11 Truth forums as the result is like white blood cells attacking a virus. If the wayward poster is aggressive or insulting it is focused on and criticised and if the forum regulars do the same it is ignored and even encouraged.

I believe the best way forward is for everyone to try to be more like Chris Mohr - to try not to be insulting and to try to be respectful to everyone. We all fail to do this sometimes but I feel some people don't see the value in trying.

Having said all that, I do disagree with the 9/11 Truth position (what I understand), and that is entirely due to the many excellent posts I read on this forum.
 
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Georgio said:
I believe the best way forward is for everyone to try to be more like Chris Mohr - to try not to be insulting and to try to be respectful to everyone. We all fail to do this sometimes but I feel some people don't see the value in trying.

Having said all that, I do disagree with the 9/11 Truth position (what I understand), and that is entirely due to the many excellent posts I read on this forum.
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I think I'm pretty straight forward with my posts. What do you think is the percentage of questions asked to answered for "truth seekers" on this forum? Do you think this might drive an attitude of contempt in most forums and the real world, for that matter?
 
Georgio said:
Thanks Criteria. As you know I am pretty much convinced that, broadly speaking, there isn't a reason to question the so-called 'official narrative' of 9/11, but I also get very frustrated at the tribalism that occurs on discussion boards on this subject.
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Half the posts in the last 6 months have been 'debunkers' squabbling and attacking each other! :D OK, I exaggerate a little, but the internal dissent is pretty strong.

Meanwhile I see Criteria studiously avoiding certain critical questions, despite their having been posed many times.
 
Georgio said:
'I would want them to back up the accusation' is not the same as 'I would pressure them to back up the accusation'.


Accepted. That's fine. I don't tend to attack 9/11 Truth supporters as much as 9/11 Truth attackers because I feel very few people here attack 9/11 Truth attackers when it is justified, and very many attack 9/11 Truth supporters when it is not justified. That is the reason for my hypocrisy but hypocrisy it absolutely is. I 100% agree with you. We can consider the matter of my hypocrisy closed now.


Deflection/distraction from the possible false accusation of anti-semitism by a forum member also noted.
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Fair enough, thanks for the admission.

I agree, accusations like anti -semitism need citations. Just remember scummy truthers are accusing people of worse, that being mass murder. They deserve all the scorn they get and more.

As for your assertion of one group vs the other, I think therein lies your problem, this is a skeptic forum where rational thinking wins the day. Groups don't matter, sides don't matter and me vs you doesn't matter.

Cold hard rational thinking, science and facts do.
 
Criteria said:
On this point, I think we share some measure of agreement Georgio.

It is truly sad that 9/11 Truth attackers feel constantly compelled to scorn 9/11 Truth supporters. My feeling is that people who are honestly comfortable in their beliefs do not need to be so over zealous in defending them.

On the other hand, people who are insecure in their convictions behave in the rabid, childish, mocking manner, all too often exhibited by 9/11 Truth attackers in this forum and elsewhere.

Fight the good fight Georgio, be your own man, and whether you agree or disagree with the advocates of 9/11 Trurh, don't let the zealots here bully you into submission.
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You do realize most of us are still here for the free entertainment and LOLZ don't you.

The truth movement died years ago and has been soundly thrashed over and over again, you being the latest example. Thanks for your contributions!
 
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