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Nothing about that story sounds incredible to me, and yes, you do post a lot of stories, some more believable than others.

Can I see what your log cabin looks like on the outside? The only log cabins I've ever seen are those fake prefab ones.

I don't have a cellphone pic because the cell phone was in my purse, sorry. I don't carry it clipped on my pants like some guys do.
 
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Jodie said:
You mean like your posts?
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There was no mistaking what this was. I'll reiterate this again. I was on a screened in porch of one of those type of cabins/weekend homes that are near the coast or on a flood plain that are required to be built up on tall pier foundations. The porch was elevated about 15 feet off the ground. We saw the deer jump out of the brush, run across the back yard, with a cougar in pursuit. The cougar caught the tail end of the deer and they rolled across the back yard. The cougar lost it's grip and the chase continued through the woods. This was in the late afternoon, plenty of light, there was no way to mistake what kind of big cat was chasing the deer.
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I think that ABP absolutely nailed the Jodie mentality, this post should be kept on a card in every skeptic's wallet for easy reference.

Ah yes, plausible deniability. It is just so reasonable that we systematically substitute melodramatic terms for the correct terms, salt the story with things that didn't actually happen, exaggerate the distances, the size of the animal, etc.

It's so easy if you aren't used to big cities. You mistake yourself for Donald Trump, and a subway entrance for a mastodon lair. A block becomes twenty miles and a taxicab is the space shuttle.

The melodramatic exaggerations we just made are really nothing but trivial little honest mistakes anyone could make. That's why everyone is a fabulist.
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Drewbot said:
I think that ABP absolutely nailed the Jodie mentality, this post should be kept on a card in every skeptic's wallet for easy reference.
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If you look at that post more closely, then include ABP's post about his leopard kill in South America, you might actually have something worth showing.

So ABP, do I get to see what your log cabin looks like on the outside? I'ld like a winter scene with snow on it, if you have one.
 
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If you look at that post more closely, then include ABP's post about his leopard kill in South America, you might actually have something worth showing.
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Jodi, if someone says they saw a cougar tackle a deer, and then let the deer go, from a balcony, with three other people, on the lawn of a backyard, in a place where there isn't a cougar population, and then, oddly, not report the sighting to authorities, we call that a "Whopper"

If someone posts a picture (during a conversation about Leopards) of themselves holding a recently shot Jaguar, and in the midst of a post, calls it a Leopard, that is not a 'Whopper'. We call that a 'Mistake'.
 
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So ABP, do I get to see what your log cabin looks like on the outside? I'ld like a winter scene with snow on it, if you have one.
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How about a pic of/from the screened-in porch thingee where your alleged panther sighting occurred?
 
Drewbot said:
This seems a bit unusual of a request.

What is up with that?
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I'd love a Christmas Kodak Moment of NL kneeling merrily amidst the snow-flecked tree's whilst holding a box of G'n'P.

Or Chris posing on his Bigfoot migration path with two thumbs up.

Or OS in a tinfoil hat awaiting the alien mothership which is being guided telepathically by the ghost of Roger Patterson.


Wait...what was the topic again?
 
ABP,

Why do you make fun of Jodie for being overly dramatic when you do the same thing. Your humble brag stories are always full of exaggerated drama, it's just hidden buy the point your pretending to make. A bear was shaking your house so much you thought it was an earthquake? Sounds pretty dramatic. You waited until he was "over" the front door, then you opened it and shot him in the chest? Sounds like a bit of creative writing for dramatic purposes. You expect me to believe this bear was pushing on the wall above your door? Judging by the picture of his claw (more hidden drama), that doesn't look like a ten foot tall black bear.

If you were not about the drama you would have said "One night I heard something on my front porch, I opened my door and it was a bear, I grabbed my gun and I shot it.", because that's what really happened.
 
Nakani said:
ABP,

Why do you make fun of Jodie for being overly dramatic when you do the same thing. Your humble brag stories are always full of exaggerated drama, it's just hidden buy the point your pretending to make. A bear was shaking your house so much you thought it was an earthquake? Sounds pretty dramatic. You waited until he was "over" the front door, then you opened it and shot him in the chest? Sounds like a bit of creative writing for dramatic purposes. You expect me to believe this bear was pushing on the wall above your door? Judging by the picture of his claw (more hidden drama), that doesn't look like a ten foot tall black bear.

If you were not about the drama you would have said "One night I heard something on my front porch, I opened my door and it was a bear, I grabbed my gun and I shot it.", because that's what really happened.
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You and Jodie have about the same level of reading comprehension.

"I woke up one night to what I thought was an earthquake."
Sleeping, and misinterpreting loud noises, or even small noises is a common occurrence. Clearly after waking up and assessing the situation, he didn't still think it was an earthquake.

The ice-maker on my new refrigerator is so loud, I thought a car had crashed through my front wall, it woke me out of a dead sleep the other night when my wife got some ice for her water.

"You expect me to believe this bear was pushing on the wall above your door?"
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I took his description to mean the bear didn't understand a latching mechanism, and was pushing too high. If the bear had seen him use the door, he wouldn't understand how to unlatch the door, and was pushing too high.

Also, if you are correct in your interpretation, and the bear was pushing on the top-jamb above the door, why would you think a door on a back woods cabin in Alaska is any more than 6 feet tall? You yourself put the '10foot' tall number on the bear. Why are you imposing this immense height on a black bear, that even at a paltry 250-300 pounds, could easily rise up and place its forepaws on the top-jamb of a 6' door?
 
Drewbot said:
You and Jodie have about the same level of reading comprehension.

"I woke up one night to what I thought was an earthquake."
Sleeping, and misinterpreting loud noises, or even small noises is a common occurrence. Clearly after waking up and assessing the situation, he didn't still think it was an earthquake.
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No he ran downstairs and was about to go outside when he realized something bigger than him was pushing on the logs. The reader is supposed to infer that a massive bear was shaking the house. Why didn't he just say I was woken by a loud noise? Oh yeah: drama. Something also strikes me as odd there was no mention of waking his wife and child, he just headed for the door. If he really thought it was an earthquake that would have been part of the story.

I took his description to mean the bear didn't understand a latching mechanism, and was pushing too high. If the bear had seen him use the door, he wouldn't understand how to unlatch the door, and was pushing too high.
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If you open the door when the bear is pushing on it he is going to fall inside your house and you're definitely not going to get your dramatic chest shot.

Also, if you are correct in your interpretation, and the bear was pushing on the top-jamb above the door, why would you think a door on a back woods cabin in Alaska is any more than 6 feet tall? You yourself put the '10foot' tall number on the bear. Why are you imposing this immense height on a black bear, that even at a paltry 250-300 pounds, could easily rise up and place its forepaws on the top-jamb of a 6' door?
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Bears are built like people, they push from their chest. For a bear to be pushing on the logs above the door he would have to be impossibly tall.
 
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This does sound a bit creepy, Jodie. If you just want to see a proper log cabin, Google has you covered.
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You once again are deliberately missing my point, did you see ABP's face in any of those pics? It could have been anyone's pics....friends or family...what have you. If he really lives in a log cabin then it shouldn't be too difficult to post a pic of it so I can see how tall his front door is.
 
Drewbot said:
Jodi, if someone says they saw a cougar tackle a deer, and then let the deer go, from a balcony, with three other people, on the lawn of a backyard, in a place where there isn't a cougar population, and then, oddly, not report the sighting to authorities, we call that a "Whopper"
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The owner of the cabin did contact DNR. I wasn't there, didn't do the calling, no one was there during the week to know if anyone went out and checked the area. I don't know if there was a formal report made. That's not a whopper, that's how it happened.

If someone posts a picture (during a conversation about Leopards) of themselves holding a recently shot Jaguar, and in the midst of a post, calls it a Leopard, that is not a 'Whopper'. We call that a 'Mistake'.
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You can call it whatever you want to call it but if you shot a jaguar you ought to know what you shot.
 
Drewbot said:
This seems a bit unusual of a request.

What is up with that?
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I wanted to see the front door he was talking about in his story because none of you were going to bother digging any deeper.
 
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Jodie said:
I wanted to see the front door he was talking about in his story because none of you were going to bother digging any deeper.
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Why would I dig any deeper? What possible reason could I have for not buying his story, compared to someone like Chris, NL and OS, who chat absolute bollocks?

Some of the things you believe without question are much more wild than any story about shooting a Jaguar or a bear.

I'm not here to start questioning everybody who has a story, unless that story relates to a creature that does not exist, or, say, doesn't exist in a specific area.
 
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You once again are deliberately missing my point, did you see ABP's face in any of those pics? It could have been anyone's pics....
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So do you want to see a photo of a log cabin or are you really just trying to prove that ABP lives in a log cabin? I'm not sure what you find dubious about his shooting a bear on the porch story. I've never posted a photo of my face with a studied bird in the background; how do you know I'm an ornithologist?

In ABP we have a guy who claims to have shot a bear in a post in which he shows us a couple of photos of a bear hide. That's far more corroboration of a claim than most of us ever post here. I don't see why you want to hold him to some higher standard.
 
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