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Belz... said:
You asked a question that requires your interpretation to be true.
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It doesn't, though. You may take the question as a hypothetical, and answer it as such. You are also free to say which particular aspects of the hypothetical do not conform to the real world.
 
wareyin said:
You seem to be bouncing back and forth, here. Was this encounter likely #2, as you state in the first quote, or likely #3 as you allege in the second quote?
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My question does not allege anything. It posed to determine where someone stands in a case where both parties understand that sex is on offer.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I think it sets women's lib back a half century to act like we don't like sex as much as the next guy or to call us whores if we do.
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No idea who said that. :D

ETA: Of course, I agree with this statement. But then so does Rebecca.
 
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d4m10n said:
My question does not allege anything. It posed to determine where someone stands in a case where both parties understand that sex is on offer.
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Very well, please mentally replace 'allege' with 'imply'. The point stands, though. In the first quote, you bet that the situation is #2, yet in the second quote, the situation is implied to be #3. You are being inconsistent.
 
wareyin said:
Very well, please mentally replace 'allege' with 'imply'. The point stands, though. In the first quote, you bet that the situation is #2, yet in the second quote, the situation is implied to be #3. You are being inconsistent.
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It was not intended to distinguish between #2 and #3, but feel free to answer the question both ways.

Q1: "Would you personally consider it polite to ask for coffee (not sex) from someone to whom you've never spoken a word, after encountering them in an enclosed space, at 4am, in a country that is foreign to them?"

Q2: "Would you personally consider it polite to ask for coffee in hopes of sex from someone to whom you've never spoken a word, after encountering them in an enclosed space, at 4am, in a country that is foreign to them?"

Q3: "Would you personally consider it polite to ask for coffee by which you mean sex from someone to whom you've never spoken a word, after encountering them in an enclosed space, at 4am, in a country that is foreign to them?"
 
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d4m10n said:
It was not intended to distinguish between #2 and #3, but feel free to answer the question both ways.

Q1: "Would you personally consider it polite to ask for coffee (not sex) from someone to whom you've never spoken a word, after encountering them in an enclosed space, at 4am, in a country that is foreign to them?"

Q2: "Would you personally consider it polite to ask for coffee in hopes of sex from someone to whom you've never spoken a word, after encountering them in an enclosed space, at 4am, in a country that is foreign to them?"

Q3: "Would you personally consider it polite to ask for coffee by which you mean sex from someone to whom you've never spoken a word, after encountering them in an enclosed space, at 4am, in a country that is foreign to them?"
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In the manner which Watson claimed was done, that is "Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you interesting. Would you like to come to my room for coffee and conversation? (Not the exact quote, can't double check from phone)"Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?", then yes, that is a polite social encounter, no matter what I desired the outcome to be.
 
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d4m10n said:
It doesn't, though.
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Of course it does. Here's what you said:

Would you personally consider it polite to ask for coffee sex from someone to whom you've never spoken a word
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Why would you ask this question if you don't already conclude that it was for sex? I can't answer that question because I don't share your conclusion. In fact, I don't give a **** whether it was for sex or not. It was polite, politely declined and politely retracted.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And how is your agreement here consistent with your thinking it's a social faux pas for a guy to test the water?
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I never said it was a faux pas to test the waters, in general.

Even under the particular conditions which obtain here, I never said it was a faux pas for just one sex.
 
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Belz... said:
It was polite, politely declined and politely retracted.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So a guy acts perfectly polite and it's his fault the girl finds it creepy?
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I disagree that it was polite, as you may well guess.

I don't think it is polite to ask someone back to one's room if you've never even spoken to them before.

I don't think it is polite to ask someone back to one's room before establishing any conversational or flirtational rapport.

I don't think it is polite to ask someone back to one's room after they have stated aloud to all present that they are tired and want to sleep.

I don't think it is polite to ask someone back to one's room after hearing them talking about how they hate being sexualized at conferences.

I don't think it is polite to ask someone back to one's room after finding them trapped in an enclosed space.

I'm probably missing something, here.

ETA: Oh yeah, 4am and foreign country. Not particularly salient, IMO.
 
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d4m10n said:
I never said it was a faux pas to test the waters, in general.

Even under the particular conditions which obtain here, I never said it was a faux pas for just one sex.
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You've been pushing quite hard for agreement that it is not polite, yet it's also not a faux pas?

Do we have a waffle icon? Maybe a flip-flop?

eta: the best I could find before I got frustrated :bunpan
Is there a list, especially searchable of smilies? Going through little windows in search of the one you want is quite annoying.
 
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