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God Created Bigfoot

The vicodin isn't helping, but I am trying to formulate what kind of postulate is being discussed. Both OP and subsequent evidence is noting correlation between Christian fundamentalism and bigfoot. If we take it for discussion purposes, regardless of how strong this correlation is...

Bigfoot makes the Bible more plausible. People predisposed to believing in biblical cryptids are more likely to believe in modern cryptids. I think I under-appreciated this correlation before and wonder what the correlation coefficient actually is.
 
The notion a deep "belief" in one unrealized entity facilitates a natural "belief" in another seems viable enough, but why the "beliefs" at all? Why all this seeming righteous belief in things with proven track records (and no science necessary) of having a literally zero payoff? Nobody's ever brought in a Bigfoot. Nobody's ever seen heaven. Nobody's ever parted the Red Sea or given an award to Kanye West they didn't immediately regret.

Speaking to the notion pretty much everyone who promotes Bigfoot is a gamer - they are - is it possible their other beliefs are used in the same manner? Meaning for instance is going to church really just a game one plays so as to regularly pretend one's spirituality/morality/righteousness really is what (you think) others think it is? "Yeah sure love him with all my heart blah blah he's the bestest so anyway I bet Marge will be surprised at Bible Study™ when I show her my 'Prayer Fellow of The Month' award. She hates it that everyone knows I believe more." I say absolutely. ;)
 
Jodie said:
Many of the cities and some records of the people that are mentioned in the bible have been discovered to have existed. That doesn't mean that what was written about these places or people were true, and that only goes back a few thousand years. All I'm saying is that certain historical events could have been preserved via legend or myth from before recorded history and then eventually preserved in writing. The only book that describes the Nephilim in any detail is the Book of Enoch. The Nephilim barely get a mention anywhere else, I don't see why it can't be possible that the Nephilim mentioned in the Book of Enoch could be referring to the Neanderthals, an actual type of human, rather than some supernatural entities.
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Is it your contention, then, that H. sap. neanderthalis survived up though the "conquest" of Canaan (~13th-12th Century B.C.E.)?
 
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Slowvehicle said:
Is it your contention, then, that H. sap. neanderthalis survived up though the "conquest" of Canaan (~13th-12th Century B.C.E.)?
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No, they died out well before then. What I'm saying is the nephilim myth evolved from the contact HS had with Neanderthal in Israel.
 
Jodie said:
No, they died out well before then. What I'm saying is the nephilim myth evolved from the contact HS had with Neanderthal in Israel.
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I see. When it's convenient for your fable, תפיל is evidence of a 55KYO "racial memory" of H. sap. neanderthalis; When it is not convenient, it's a "myth" (Num. 13:33). Got it.
 
The myth evolved from the racial memory, that's usually how it happens.
 
Jodie said:
The myth evolved from the racial memory, that's usually how it happens.
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Interesting sidestep. If there were no תפילימ in Canaan, what makes you think there were תפילימ "east of Eden"?

(Not to mention, you might want to review the applications of אלוהים in the OT.)
 
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You spelled that wrong. If the Nephilim were the Neanderthal their fossil evidence is in Israel.
 
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Jodie said:
You spelled that wrong. If the Nephilim were the Neanderthal there fossil evidence is in Isreal
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Half truth.

Sure there is such evidence that H.S and H.N occupied the Levant at the same time.

There is no evidence that they interacted, or time shared or met.
 
One more time, slowly.

There is a collection of ancient written versions of Middle Eastern myths that folks in 21st Century America call the "Bible."

In some of those texts are references to men (no women, apparently) known today as nephilim.

Those references differ wildly in their representation of nephilim as horny dudes, horny large dudes, or horny former kinda-sorta supernatural beings. As far as I can tell, the only traits that are common throughout the references are 1) horny and 2) dude.

Because Biblical dudes tend to be wicked horny and Yahweh has some kind of perverse penis fetish himself, I'm not sure horny would be the most descriptive thing to identify Neanderthals that might have come in contact with modern Homo sapiens. I would think that the different language, big noses, stocky musculature, animal skins, spears, and penchant for fresh meat would be a bit more conspicuous. Thus, any link between Neanderthal and nephilim just strikes me as grafting one fairy tale onto another.
 
HarryHenderson said:
Speaking to the notion pretty much everyone who promotes Bigfoot is a gamer - they are - is it possible their other beliefs are used in the same manner? Meaning for instance is going to church really just a game one plays so as to regularly pretend one's spirituality/morality/righteousness...
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Yes.

There are straightforward social benefits explicitly woven into church doctrine or practices. The Mormons for example have a very explicit "buy Mormon" economic program that is very successful.

If you want to marry well, win political posts, obtain the economic benefits from the older, wealthier heirarchy, or even just be thought of well - you play ball.

For most people, if you grow up in a religiously-dominated culture, you don't seem to have much choice but to go along. So you hang in the background, not ever doing or saying anything that would go against the church but on the other hand not buying into the literal truth of bronze-age goat-herders doing all manner of miraculous things.

People tending towards the sociopathic end of the scale learn to mimick. They have no empathy for others nor any true belief in the mask they put on. They play live action alternate reality gaming with religion with gusto in order to get what they want. BTK killer was a church Deacon. Wrote his correspondence with the cops on the church computer, lol. This kind of person has no qualms about saying he believes in Noah's Ark. His whole life is a lie. Mostly what he's doing all day is stalking people he wants to kill or whacking off to his personal crime scene photos.

Most of these televangelist faith-healer types come from a well-established confidence game stretching back to the tent-revival era. It's a very old con and they are despicable people.

One thing is for sure: practice at one con game helps with either. It is the same set of tactics - selective memory/attention, lying, guilt-tripping, shaming, etc. that work in both arenas.
 
The Shrike said:
One more time, slowly.

There is a collection of ancient written versions of Middle Eastern myths that folks in 21st Century America call the "Bible."

In some of those texts are references to men (no women, apparently) known today as nephilim.

Those references differ wildly in their representation of nephilim as horny dudes, horny large dudes, or horny former kinda-sorta supernatural beings. As far as I can tell, the only traits that are common throughout the references are 1) horny and 2) dude.

Because Biblical dudes tend to be wicked horny and Yahweh has some kind of perverse penis fetish himself, I'm not sure horny would be the most descriptive thing to identify Neanderthals that might have come in contact with modern Homo sapiens. I would think that the different language, big noses, stocky musculature, animal skins, spears, and penchant for fresh meat would be a bit more conspicuous. Thus, any link between Neanderthal and nephilim just strikes me as grafting one fairy tale onto another.
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Maybe so, Nephilim get mentioned here and there in the Torah and Koran. The only book that talked about them in any great detail was the Book of Enoch, which is included in the apocrypha of the Catholic Bible. Evidently the story was too much even for the Middle Aged clergy.
 
Jodie said:
Maybe so, Nephilim get mentioned here and there in the Torah and Koran. The only book that talked about them in any great detail was the Book of Enoch, which is included in the apocrypha of the Catholic Bible. Evidently the story was too much even for the Middle Aged clergy.
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Are you, then, abandoning your fantasy of a "racial memory" of a 55KYA event?
 
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