Seeing Cryptids: The Problems

As a follow up...

Jodie, what should I say to someone who tells me a story that I don't believe?

When I say that I don't believe it, is that unfair or something?

Also, what should I say if I actually think the person is just flat-out lying to me?

Is calling them a liar some sort of unfair debate tactic, or what?

After all, I am risking being proven wrong, aren't I?
 
LTC8K6 said:
As a follow up...

Jodie, what should I say to someone who tells me a story that I don't believe?

When I say that I don't believe it, is that unfair or something?

Also, what should I say if I actually think the person is just flat-out lying to me?

Is calling them a liar some sort of unfair debate tactic, or what?

After all, I am risking being proven wrong, aren't I?
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No risk here. Claarging.
 
William Parcher said:
You are flailing, Jodie. If Parcher actually did have experiences with real people then he'd understand that I am not making up my cougar sighting.

You are using tactics right from Bigfootery. You had a recent post saying that Eastern cougar skeptics should go to the wilds of South Carolina and see the cougars for themselves. Jodie, this is how Bigfooters argue. Maybe you feel that you have no alternative other than to use these tactics because you cannot present any evidence of cougar existence in South Carolina (or anywhere in the East) that is not anecdotal.
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It's true that I have no evidence, I wasn't expecting it to happen. What makes me angry are the insults, like I am too stupid to know what I saw, rather than discuss how cougars could possibly be in the southeast. I don't think seeing a cougar in SC is the same thing as claiming to see a bigfoot. I don't appreciate being treated the same way. Let's carry the rest of this over to the cougar thread.
 
I've done field work in the Francis Marion National Forest and vacationed on Isle of Palms. Why would anyone assume that folks hadn't been to coastal South Carolina?
 
I assume because no one volunteered that they had been in the area. I live in the area, and have for years, wouldn't you say the potential for me to see a cougar would be higher than yours? Before I make another assumption, how long were you there, and what areas did you visit on the Isle of Palms?
 
Jodie said:
I assume because no one volunteered that they had been in the area. I live in the area, and have for years, wouldn't you say the potential for me to see a cougar would be higher than yours? Before I make another assumption, how long were you there, and what areas did you visit on the Isle of Palms?
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Yes. The potential for you to see a cougar is definitely higher.

This applies to you potentially seeing a bigfoot or a UFO, as well as the potential for you to remember bogus past lives.
 
Jodie said:
I wasn't mistaken in this, if I was, I would say so.
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Here is a video of folk passing off basket ball. Count off the pass then tell us the number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

It will be readily apparent WHY people are extremely bad witness.

Also read up on red panda escaping a zoo.

PS: you may think you remember stuff, but the way our memory work is by *rebuilding* the event. The problem with that is that your own belief can slew the rebuilding so that it has no resemblance to the original event.
 
I think it's important to remember that there are two things being spoken of here. The first is the relatively unlikely, easily mistaken, but remotely possible event of seeing a cougar. The second is the event of seeing an Eastern Cougar, which is not possible because they are extinct. Remember that there was a recent event in which a cougar was run over by a car in Connecticut. The cougar certainly did exist. It most likely had been seen by numerous people, and there's even a possibility that others are out there. Many people over the the years have reported seeing cougars in the woods of Connecticut. After all, I've only ever seen one dead bobcat on the road here in Vermont in decades, but there are plenty of them out there. They're elusive and street smart, but they exist. I've only ever seen one lynx at all, but even though rare, there is a real population of them. So yes, perhaps, maybe, on a long shot, one might have seen a cougar. That claim can be doubted and contested and the likelihood is high that it is a mistaken identification, but it's not outright impossible. But the claim of an Eastern Cougar is in a different dimension.

For as long as I can remember, even back to the 1950's, people have reported seeing cougars in New England. My Vermont relatives up in East Montpelier reported a "panther" when I was a kid, and who knows what they saw? People still report the occasional sighting. But those are just stories without a body. The only body I know of confirmed that a cougar existed and that it wasn't an Eastern Cougar.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
Yes. The potential for you to see a cougar is definitely higher.

This applies to you potentially seeing a bigfoot or a UFO, as well as the potential for you to remember bogus past lives.
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Not according to Mufon, UFO's are in every state. I've never seen a bigfoot despite reports of such being in my general vicinity. There are just as many in Oklahoma/Arkansas, if not more.

Bogus past lives- I'm not certain about the memories since all I have is one slice of time which was more like an experience seeing life through their eyes, thinking their thoughts, with no names to chase down in recent history other than Lincoln. I think they are past memories, they might be something else wooish like bilocation or simply some kind of weird inspiration for a story or book.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
No. She saw Abe Lincoln give a speech. Skinnier in person or something (not looking it up). Highlilarious.
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Yes, his hands and face made me think of someone with Marfan's Syndrome, he didn't look normal. I also couldn't hear what he was saying, he didn't project well.

Oh yes, forgot to add that he didn't have a beard at that time and it was during warm sunny weather. I was also feeling aggravated because I was going to have to buy a newspaper to read what he said.
 
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Jodie, can you explain your continued use of "cougar" when what is being discussed is the current non-existence of the "eastern cougar"?
 
bruto said:
I think it's important to remember that there are two things being spoken of here. The first is the relatively unlikely, easily mistaken, but remotely possible event of seeing a cougar. The second is the event of seeing an Eastern Cougar, which is not possible because they are extinct. Remember that there was a recent event in which a cougar was run over by a car in Connecticut. The cougar certainly did exist. It most likely had been seen by numerous people, and there's even a possibility that others are out there. Many people over the the years have reported seeing cougars in the woods of Connecticut. After all, I've only ever seen one dead bobcat on the road here in Vermont in decades, but there are plenty of them out there. They're elusive and street smart, but they exist. I've only ever seen one lynx at all, but even though rare, there is a real population of them. So yes, perhaps, maybe, on a long shot, one might have seen a cougar. That claim can be doubted and contested and the likelihood is high that it is a mistaken identification, but it's not outright impossible. But the claim of an Eastern Cougar is in a different dimension.

For as long as I can remember, even back to the 1950's, people have reported seeing cougars in New England. My Vermont relatives up in East Montpelier reported a "panther" when I was a kid, and who knows what they saw? People still report the occasional sighting. But those are just stories without a body. The only body I know of confirmed that a cougar existed and that it wasn't an Eastern Cougar.
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It was a large tan cat but I have no idea if it was that specific type of cougar, or what the difference is between a cougar you might see out west versus an eastern cougar. Officially no cougars of any kind are supposed to exist in SC.
 
Susheel said:
Jodie, can you explain your continued use of "cougar" when what is being discussed is the current non-existence of the "eastern cougar"?
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As I said above, it was a large tan colored cat like a mountain lion. I don't know what the difference is between a cougar out west and an eastern cougar so I doubt I could make the distinction.
 
Aepervius said:
Here is a video of folk passing off basket ball. Count off the pass then tell us the number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

It will be readily apparent WHY people are extremely bad witness.

Also read up on red panda escaping a zoo.

PS: you may think you remember stuff, but the way our memory work is by *rebuilding* the event. The problem with that is that your own belief can slew the rebuilding so that it has no resemblance to the original event.
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That only works if you have several cougars running by the house, there was only one.
 
The most recent development of interest for me with our study of gaming is the question (by Resume?) why 'footers can't "admit" they are mistaken?

Because they aren't. They are lying. And a great example of intentional lying is before us now, with the convenient embellishments rolling out so effortlessly. Right, that isn't how truthful re-telling of events occurs.

Ppseudologia fantastica.

There is some research suggesting problems in the frontal lobe - making it difficult to assess the accuracy in what they are saying. I don't see it as pertinent here, in other words we have a healthy brain that just has no conscience about what they are doing. Because the pattern is so systematically self-aggrandizing. It isn't random, and in fact very rational from a gaming perspective. Not the most erudite gamer we've had, sure.

But you have to work with what you've got.
 
Jodie said:
As I said above, it was a large tan colored cat like a mountain lion. I don't know what the difference is between a cougar out west and an eastern cougar so I doubt I could make the distinction.
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Then, it would be your duty to take the trouble and educate yourself. There are those who can...and they have come to the conclusion through observation, careful study, and indepent confirmation that the Eastern Cougar is extinct. That is how scientific investigation works.

By your own admission above, you briefly saw something vaguely cat like and decided it was a cougar. "I know what I saw" =/= evidence.
 
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Firstly, saying you saw it is not enough. Evidence -- clear photographs, pug marks, scat -- all this is required for confirmation. The lay of the land, light and event the way you see something -- fleeting glance, out of the edge of your vision -- can play havoc with perspective even under normal circumstances. A house cat jumping across can seem like a larger animal.
Add to this how your own mind tends to store, retrieve and recreate memories of an actual incident. Ultimately, "I know what I saw" has little, if any, value as objective evidence.
 
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