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Crucify him. Death in Saudi Arabia.

TragicMonkey said:
Having said that, I am eager for the day the civilized nations develop energy technology that removes the dependence on oil, because then we won't have to play nice with the kid who owns the pool.
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It would also require the widespread implementation of a radical change in motor vehicle technology. It's my understanding that a significant portion of the world's oil production goes toward motor vehicle fuel, as opposed to power plants. According to this Institute for Energy Research site, US oil consumption is approximately 70% transportation fuel, 24% industry and manufacturing, almost 5% commercial and residential sectors, and less than 1% electricity generation.
New energy technology would have to include a light weight, high energy density storage medium that could replace gasoline and diesel engines.
 
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Belz... said:
Having said that, I am eager for the day the civilized nations develop energy technology that removes the dependence on oil, because then we won't have to play nice with the kid who owns the pool.
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It sure will change the world when that happens. I'm sure they're very nervous about that.
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Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations are already talking about foreign aid...

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8345343.stm
Opec and Saudi Arabia seeking financial aid for oil-producers if new agreement requires cuts of fossil fuels
 
So much of foreign relations can be summed up in the immortal complaint 'Stop it, Debbie, you're embarrassing me!'
 
angrysoba said:
Whatever the relative merits of the form of execution, surely a more outrageous point here is that he is being executed for being pro-democracy, that is to say he is a prisoner of conscience. The manner in which a "confession" was extracted from him is also serious grounds for worry.

But on top of that, and what worries me most in terms of which way the West can be considered hypocritical, is not because we are allies with the Saudi regime or that the US and Japan also have the death penalty, but the fact that this guy and his uncle are being prosecuted for what they say.
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Exactly. Plus he was a minor at the time of his alleged crimes and was almost certainly tortured into confessing.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html

Well, Atheism is illegal in Saudi Arabia. New Royal Decree against Terrorism
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The whole religion thing in Saudi seems to be just a prop for the ruling monarchy. Some sort of "Right of Kings" that means you can't question them. To make sure they keep everyone in line they even thought it would be a good idea to encourage Wahabist fundamentalism. We can see what they have achieved by doing that, it is far worse than the democracy they seem to fear the most.
 
Belz... said:
Not sure I know what you mean.
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Crucifixion consists of tying or nailing someone to a pole, usually one that has extended sections so that the victim's limbs are splayed out. This is done while the victim is still alive, so that their own weight puts strain on their chest and causes suffocation over an extended period of time.

A gibbet is a hanging metal cage that you either lock someone in so that they die of thirst and starvation, or that you stick a dead body in so that it can be displayed as a warning to others. Often, both - the person is locked in the cage while alive, they die, and their body remains on display.

Is that clearer? They're quite different methods of torturing someone to death.

Corsair 115 said:
Clickbait and/or ginning up outrage seem the two most obvious candidates.
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As if the story isn't outrageous enough as it is.
 
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applecorped said:
Dead is dead and be heading is a hell of a lot quicker than electrocuting . The US isn't really that much better
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And there is the de rigueur tu quoque.

You might not have noticed that capital punishment in the US is not the topic of this thread.
 
a_unique_person said:
The whole religion thing in Saudi seems to be just a prop for the ruling monarchy. Some sort of "Right of Kings" that means you can't question them. To make sure they keep everyone in line they even thought it would be a good idea to encourage Wahabist fundamentalism. We can see what they have achieved by doing that, it is far worse than the democracy they seem to fear the most.
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Actually to make peace with the other tribes and gain their fealty they made the deal to promote Wahhabism. As I said, the tribes waiting in the wings are worse than the Sauds.
 
catsmate said:
Firstly can we try and address this case without descending into generic Muslim bashing?

Ali Mohammed al-Nimr is a pro-democracy activist in Saudi Arabia who was arrested four years ago, when he was 17, and now faces death by crucifixion for his "crimes".
There are, to put it mildly, serious concerns about his conviction (including a statement from the UN) and that the case is being used to warn off others who want change in the country's autocratic regime.

Toronto Star.
NBC.
BBC.
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A few years ago a so called witch was condemned to death for causing a man to become impotent when he stood in her shadow. She also did divination via coins tied in knots. People get killed in muslim countries for very ambiguous reasons
 
Cainkane1 said:
A few years ago a so called witch was condemned to death for causing a man to become impotent when he stood in her shadow. She also did divination via coins tied in knots. People get killed in muslim countries for very ambiguous reasons
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Uh, dude? Quit standing in my shadow.

'Kay?

Beanbag
 
If he's already dead, and the public crucifixion of his headless body is a slam on his family (I am guessing this is massively bad medicine for the family) then I have a hard time getting upset over this as an outsider. This thing, as brutal as it is, apparently makes sense within the context of that particular culture.

Where are you, defenders of multiculturalism, when the going gets tough? Differentiation in culture is about a lot more than different food and different clothes. It's about looking at the world differently.

Remember the 60's, and the counterculture? They were all about looking at the world differently than the base culture.
 
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SezMe said:
It's hard to find anything to say. It's a tragedy on the same scale as Raif Badarwi (sp?). Islam as practiced in Saudi is a barbaric throwback. We're it not for the oil underground, they would be detested and ignored by the rest of the world.
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Without the oil, they could still hold the rest of the Muslim world ransom because they have Mecca.

I'm at a loss which part of this I should be most outraged about. The ridiculous charges, the sham judicial process that makes Kafka's Trial look transparent and even-handed, the death penalty as such (for the "crime"), or the gruesome display post-mortem.

Bikewer said:
I understand that our dear allies, the Brits, were fond of executing pirates and then displaying the body in the gibbet in a public place. In once case, they varnished the "remains" so that the display would be more permanent....
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And famously, the bodies of the Anabaptist leaders were put on display in Münster from 1536 onwards. The cages still hang there in the church steeple.
 
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