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The State Department also realized it was not automatically preserving internal communications, with some other senior officials’ e-mails missing.

If she had used the proper email they would not have had to ask, because they would have been automatically preserved.


If clinton was using state dept email, it would not have been automatically preserved, as you claim.
Yes, they would have. That a glitch kept some from being preserved is not evidence that Hillary's wouldn't have been. But there's no chance whatsoever they'll be preserved when she's not using the system, is there?
 
In fact, she wasn't contacted, they reached out to her representatives.

I find this claim endlessly fascinating....

Are you seriously contending that Hillary didn't know what her top aide and lawyer was doing with Hillary's emails in July of 2014??

Was Hillary in a coma or something?
 
(NPR) Time for a recap:
In March, a House committee demanded that Clinton hand over the private server to a third party so they could make sure that all work-related emails had been turned over.
So we have the usual partisan witch hunters annoyed they couldn't rummage through Clinton's emails on a fishing trip, asking the FBI to investigate on a pretense that they suspected not all the government emails were turned over.

That is hardly the criminal investigation it is being claimed to be.

Clinton cooperated voluntarily.
"But in August, Mrs. Clinton authorized her aides to hand the server to investigators. Computer forensic experts have said that if the change in the server setting was the only measure taken, it would be fairly easy for F.B.I. agents who specialize in recovering deleted information from computers to retrieve the messages."
Clinton has asked the State Department to release all of her work-related emails.

Maybe personal emails were simply deleted and were not as everyone keeps claiming, 'destroyed'. Perhaps they are recoverable because deleting them was not an attempt to hide them.

Now we have the Bloomberg update.

This anonymous source could easily be a complete distortion:
The FBI is investigating how and why classified information ended up on Clinton’s server. The probe probably will take at least several more months, according to the person, who described the matter on condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing and deals with sensitive information.

Are they investigating how and why? Really? Or are they investigating if any government emails weren't turned over? Look at how the sentence is worded: "how and why classified information ended up on Clinton’s server."

We know how and why. That's never been a question. So why is the report worded as if no one knows how the emails got there?

And the emphasis on "classified", another attempt to make a crime out of whole cloth. Clinton carried on government business. She made an effort to handle classified information separately from the emails. It wasn't illegal for her to use a private email server.

Which is the supposed crime here? Mistakes in procedure? Or an attempt to hide something?

It's pretty clear the GOP will take anything they can get to make Clinton look like a dishonest criminal, but that they continue to fish since there isn't anything outrageous here. Nothing in Benghazi, nothing in the emails, certainly nothing that rises to criminal misconduct.

Giving confidential information to your girlfriend who is writing your biography, that's a criminal act. Communicating to people in the course of doing your job is not a crime, even if something confidential was mistakenly mishandled.

The Bloomberg article claims this:
Internal government watchdogs have determined that classified information ended up on the system. Their findings sparked the FBI inquiry.

Internal government watchdogs? You mean the Benghazi Committee? Darryl Issa?

Un-distort that claim and you get what the NPR article said:
a House committee demanded that Clinton hand over the private server to a third party
Even that though, doesn't the House committee have a name?

Any claim here there is an FBI criminal investigation is on the same level as Darryl Issa claiming they are conducting a Benghazi criminal investigation.

Now we have a report the FBI has recovered some or all of the deleted emails. Gee, maybe they were just deleted and not covered up after all.

Now look at the Bloomberg report conflating the emails that have been reviewed, redacted and released to the press with 'FBI has recovered emails'. Those are not the same thing. Yet Bloomberg would have its readers believe things the press has found in the released emails are what the FBI has uncovered from the server.

That would exonerate Clinton. Low and behold the emails Clinton passed on to the government and the private emails she didn't were exactly what she said they were.
 
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"You're telling me something I don't know," Clinton said. "All I know is what I have said. What I have said is it was allowed. The State Department has confirmed that. The same letter went to, as far as I know, my predecessors, and I'm the one who said, 'Hey, I'll be glad to help.'

The fact is that the State Department had reached out to Hillary three months earlier, and Cheryl Mills had contacted the server company to get the emails off the cowboy server in July.

That moves the timeline three months earlier and Hillary's claim that she was contacted in October (and tripped all over herself to totally cooperate!) false.

I suppose if one assumes that Clinton didn't know she was breaking the rules that this new information is damning. But, since it seemed extremely unlikely that Clinton didn't know she was breaking the rules this new information doesn't seem like it advances the case against her beyond providing additional evidence for something that already seemed pretty obvious: Clinton did not intend to comply with rules that required her to provide her emails to the State Department.

It does go to the thing that has concerned me the most about Clinton over this. At every step of the way she made poor decisions. It sounds like here the State Department said something like "we know about your personal server, wink, wink" meaning they were giving Clinton a heads up and she better get out in front of this. How is it that Clinton's advisers or Clinton herself did not realize the obvious risks? Clinton has had legitimate outs all along the way and at each moment she has made a bad decision.

On a different subject, no one replied to my question about whether Eric Hoteham has been formally identified. I understand that there was speculation about who he was based on a similarity to the name of a Clinton confidant, but that story seems strange. He misspelled his own name? He was trying to hide behind a pseudonym that was childishly close to his own name? What was going on in Clinton land when she and some subset of her advisers decided that setting up her own private email server where she would mix her private business emails, her SoS emails and her personal emails was a good idea?

Did no one advance the idea that the security of the SoS email server was a big deal and that there might be some security issues with a home brew server? Did no one advance the notion that when Clinton commingled all of her emails that complying with archiving regulations was going to be difficult? Did nobody advance the legal argument that discovery actions aimed at one type of communications could lead to discovery of other types of communications that could cause embarrassment or even legal problems for Clinton?
 
Yes, they would have. That a glitch kept some from being preserved is not evidence that Hillary's wouldn't have been.

You just made up that glitch ********, didn't you ?

Because if you didn't, you can link us to where that claim was made by the state dept.

But there's no chance whatsoever they'll be preserved when she's not using the system, is there?

Actually, yes - they were preserved by clinton, unlike if she had been using stated dept email.
 
I find this claim endlessly fascinating....

Are you seriously contending that Hillary didn't know what her top aide and lawyer was doing with Hillary's emails in July of 2014??

Was Hillary in a coma or something?

What I find endlessly fascinating is how you keep posting supposed "facts", but then can't back them up.
 
According to the NPR article I cited above:
"Mrs. Clinton's lawyer, David E. Kendall, said in response to the request that there was no reason to hand over the server because there was nothing on it. He said that after Mrs. Clinton's aides had reviewed the emails, a setting on the server was changed so that only emails sent in the previous 60 days would be retained.
"But in August, Mrs. Clinton authorized her aides to hand the server to investigators.
How is that consistent with 16.5's claim Clinton said she was contacted in October?
 
Internal government watchdogs? You mean the Benghazi Committee? Darryl Issa?

You know, I'm not going to bother going through everything that is wrong in your post, but just a heads up, the Internal government watchdogs are in the Inspector Generals of the Intelligence Community and the State Department who made a joint referral to the FBI after they found classified information in the emails.

We've explained this in this thread a dozen times.
 
What I find endlessly fascinating is how you keep posting supposed "facts", but then can't back them up.

Dodge noted! Hillary didn't know what Cheryl Mills was doing in July of 2014 when the State Department contacted her in July of 2014 for assistance in locating Hillary's emails in order to respond to the request from the Benghazi Committee for those records?

yes or No?
 
According to the NPR article I cited above:

How is that consistent with 16.5's claim Clinton said she was contacted in October?

July 2014: State reaches out to Team Hillary* for help locating the Benghazi emails.
October 2014: Hillary gets a letter asking for all emails.
August 2015: Hillary tells her lawyer to hand over the server.
September 2015: FBI recovers documents from the server Hillary's lawyer says was empty.

*hat tip to TheL8elvis! Hillary might not have known what her staff was doing. Some experts have speculated that Hillary might have been in a coma, or just really really out of it or something.;)
 
You just made up that glitch ********, didn't you ?
No, the system was supposed to automatically archive all emails.

Because if you didn't, you can link us to where that claim was made by the state dept.
Are you claiming that they were intentionally withholding documents from government archives in violation of the law? I'll go with that if you'd like...

Actually, yes - they were preserved by clinton, unlike if she had been using stated dept email.
Bwahahahahaha! She preserved them by deleting them from her server and giving them up only when pressured by the top law enforcement agency in the country. :rolleyes:
 
You know, I'm not going to bother going through everything that is wrong in your post, but just a heads up, the Internal government watchdogs are in the Inspector Generals of the Intelligence Community and the State Department who made a joint referral to the FBI after they found classified information in the emails.

We've explained this in this thread a dozen times.
And you continue to cherry pick. Try going one step further back.
After the March The New York Times story, the House committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, asked for the email server, but Clinton's lawyer said at the time that everything on it had already been deleted. The Republican chairmen of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committees then asked the State Department and the intelligence community's inspectors general to determine if Clinton's email setup had been secure, who used it, and whether any classified material was sent through it.
IOW, like I said, Benghazi fishing, GOP fishing, anything they can get on Clinton fishing.

Just because the avenue they took was through the OIG, it doesn't mean the OIG initiated anything.
Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails
IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral - it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes.
They have since ended their inquiry. The FBI continues to look for any copies of confidential material that might be loose. That doesn't make a criminal investigation, that makes a security sweep.

It's only the Clinton haters that want it to be criminal.


Oh, by the way, speaking of goalpost moving, which is it, criminal use of a private email server, or criminal misconduct handling government secrets? :rolleyes:
 
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And you continue to cherry pick. Try going one step further back.
IOW, like I said, Benghazi fishing, GOP fishing, anything they can get on Clinton fishing.

Just because the avenue they took was through the OIG, it doesn't mean the OIG initiated anything.
Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails

They have since ended their inquiry. The FBI continues to look for any copies of confidential material that might be loose. That doesn't make a criminal investigation, that makes a security sweep.

It's only the Clinton haters that want it to be criminal.


Oh, by the way, speaking of goalpost moving, which is it, criminal use of a private email server, or criminal misconduct handling government secrets? :rolleyes:

Nope that was some fine goal post moving, by you.

Internal government watchdogs have determined that classified information ended up on the system. Their findings sparked the FBI inquiry.
You: Internal government watchdogs? You mean the Benghazi Committee? Darryl Issa?

Nope! It was the IG's!

Oh, by the way, speaking of goalpost moving, which is it, criminal use of a private email server, or criminal misconduct handling government secrets? :rolleyes:

Why not both! :thumbsup::D:thumbsup:

"Clinton Haters." Oh man... Hillary's new theme song?:

They see me rollin' They hatin', patrollin' and tryna catch me ridin' dirty. Tryna catch me ridin' dirty. Tryna catch me ridin' dirty. Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
 
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Of course 16.5 can't back up his claims! Don't forget:

Hee hee! That is some fine cherry picking there. Seriously, well done. Take out the context, and you almost move that dial.

Of course, the Dial on the 16.5 Obsession is set to 11 and *********** buried.

:D

/full disclosure, I knew those articles were gonna get the dander of the Hillary Supporters up. I hear tell she is ready!
 
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Hee hee! That is some fine cherry picking there. Seriously, well done. Take out the context, and you almost move that dial.

Of course, the Dial on the 16.5 Obsession is set to 11 and *********** buried.

:D

Responding to a post counts as obsession in bizarro world. I'd ask you for evidence of that, but:
So anyone who is asking for "evidence" and think they are making some sort of winning argument is hilarious.
 
Hmmm, lots of bluster and bravado, but 16.5 is still unable to support his claim that Clinton is being investigated by the FBI.

Not that I'm surprised.

Anyone asking for "evidence" from 16.5 would do well to remember this post. In bizarro GOP critical thinking, you can't win argument with evidence. Conjecture, speculation, and prejudice trump evidence every time. Derp, indeed.

Was there ever any doubt?

That's cute, pointing out that a poster has no evidence for his claim, and in fact shuns evidence is "off topic".

Of course 16.5 can't back up his claims! Don't forget:

Responding to a post counts as obsession in bizarro world. I'd ask you for evidence of that, but:

Evidence provided. 16.5 Haters!

Hee hee!
 
Evidence provided. 16.5 Haters!

Hee hee!

Wow, in 16.5's view, asking him to provide evidence of his claims is evidence of an obsession. In the real world, it's evidence that 16.5 is, as ever, failing to provide evidence for his claims.
 
well back to business....

In March, a House committee asked Mrs. Clinton to give the server to a third party to determine whether she had turned over all of the work-related emails.

Mrs. Clinton’s lawyer, David E. Kendall, said in response to the request that there was no reason to hand over the server because there was nothing on it.

So, maybe someone needs to take a look at David Kendall too? Keep in mind that the server had top secret data on it and was sitting in an data storage center in New Jersey.

Who else had access to that server, Hillary.
 
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