I don't think so. Russ Baker and Gareth Porter wrote articles denouncing Judge Daniel's decision. I also don't trust Dieter Snell. The 9/11 Report made a few references to Iran, but never said they were responsible.
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I don't think so. Russ Baker and Gareth Porter wrote articles denouncing Judge Daniel's decision. I also don't trust Dieter Snell. The 9/11 Report made a few references to Iran, but never said they were responsible.
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So you're opposed to the 9-11 families who included Iran in their lawsuits? And you ignore Janice Kephart's affidavit?
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You make it sound as if the CD claims, of whatever persuasion, still have some place and legitimacy, if only tugged away somewhere in the back. Is that your position - CD-claims are still legitimate in 2015? You assign them a >0% probability of being true?
Then that is your key and core problem.
Nope, it was destroyed by those fools and cons who, after all the nonsene claims of CD and no-plane shoot-down and stand-down and what have you had been most thoroughly debunked many years ago, held on to the delusions and outright lies.
David Ray Griffin destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Steven E. Jones destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Niels Harrit destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Craig McKee destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Bob McIlvaine destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Richard Gage is a major destroyer of 9/11 Truth.
Ted Walter keeps destroying 9/11 Truth.
Justin Keogh destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Rick Shaddock destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Wayne Coste destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Les Jamieson destroyed 9/11 Truth.
Luke Rudkowski destroyed 9/11 Truth.
I wonder if it would help if you could get the families, the Laurie van Aukens and who else do you have, to sign a statement of Truth and Accountability that clearly, unequivocally, calls on the Richard Gages of this world to cease and desist and keep bad-mouthing their cause.
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ozeco41
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Fully agreed and supported. Until the genuine truthers cut free of their misguided loyalty to the Gages et all they will always be politically in a losing position.
Absolutely. Oystein, myself, many others would support a legitimate claim in the political management arena. But not whilst the advocates persist in nonsense in the technical arena.
How can we take your political concerns seriously if you still support CD at WTC?
Agreed as to the need for such a separation. Over to the "genuine truthers" to develop the best viable strategy.
And it is about 9 years late.
And there are many others... Jim Fetzer, Kevin Ryan, Dylan Avery, Cathy McGrabe (sp?), David Chandler, Gordon Ross, Jim Hoffman, Jonathan Cole, Sander Hicks, Rob Balsamo, Chris Bollyn, Alex Jones, Simon Shack, Phil Jayhan, Andrew Johnson, Judy Wood, Jesse Ventura, Mike Ruppert, Jeff Rense, Charlie Sheen, Sofia Smallstorm...and of course Tony Sz... and the list goes on and on.. so many to even remember. Some well intentioned, others not... all misguided on the technical issues... and many are narcissistic opportunists.
No, I don't agree with the Judge's decision. I'm not opposed to the 9/11 Families. I'm opposed to the Judge's decision. I'm not ignoring Janice Kephart's affidavit. Go read Gareth Porter's piece on consortiumnews.com called "Muslim Haters Tie Iran to 9/11."
jimd3100
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Unless by "staffers" you mean Snell, I don't believe that to be accurate. Neither do the lawyers for the victims of 9-11, or author Philip Shenon.
Former FBI investigator Michael Jacobson and former Justice Department attorney Dana Lesemann ran down FBI leads tying Saudi officials to some of the Saudi hijackers and documented their findings in the report.
Jacobson and Lesemann went on to work for the independent 9/11 Commission, where they uncovered more evidence and connected new dots to the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles.
During a July 30 court hearing, lawyers for 9/11 victims’ families and insurers revealed that the staffers’ most serious allegations against the Saudis were stricken from the final draft of the 9/11 Commission report as well.
“They were removed at the 11th hour by the senior staff,” plaintiffs’ attorney Sean Carter of Cozen O’Connor said, explaining that the decision was a “political matter.”
http://nypost.com/2015/08/09/lawsuit-could-reveal-secret-saudi-connection-to-911/
Dana Lesemann was fired by Zelikow and replaced by Raj De.
From Philip Shenon's book The Commission.....
Jacobson and De felt they had explosive material on the Saudis: the actions by Omar al-Bayoumi, the Saudi "ghost employee" who played host to the two hijackers in San Diego, and Fahad al-Thumairy, the shadowy Saudi diplomat in Los Angeles. Jacobson and De had documentation of the unusual cash transfers from the wife of the Saudi ambassador in Washington to the family of another mysterious Saudi who was tied to al-Bayoumi. - page 398
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Un.../ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Do you believe that "Bandar Bush" a future head of Saudi Intelligence and his wife, the sister of the head of Saudi Intelligence at that time didn't know they were sending money to what the FBI called "an ardent supporter" of Bin Laden?
This FBI document is referring to Osama Bassnan, the "mysterious Saudi who was tied to al-Bayoumi" ....
"has been in contact with UBL family members; ardent UBL supporter"
https://web.archive.org/web/2014092...lex.com/2004-xx-FBI-memo-Penttbomb-Saudi2.pdf
Just before publication of the 9-11 Commission report....
Snell and Zelikow were in the office, rewriting the report. Snell had presented an alternative draft of the chapter and removed virtually all of the most serious allegations against the Saudis. -page 398
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Un.../ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
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Allen773
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As has been alluded to previously in this thread, the Saudi state is basically an extension of the incredibly complex House of Saud, whose claim to legitimacy and rule over the Kingdom is based on a complex set of alliances and marriages with the ulemma or Wahhabi religious leaders, in addition to the many other local families/tribes that the House of Saud has strategically married into. The explicit purpose of all of this, of course, is to protect Mecca and Medina - the two most sacred cities in the Islamic world.
However, keep in mind that even as Saudi Arabia has grown incredibly wealthy from oil exports, it retains much of the religious, cultural, and political customs of an earlier age. If anything, the Kingdom's wealth has enabled it to export Wahhabism throughout the rest of the world (not just the Islamic world). This has the added bonus of being a safety valve for ultra-fanatical Saudi dissidents who criticize the royal family for its blatant hypocrisy, its obscene wealth, its strategic alliance with the Western world, and its repression of any dissent. These criticisms, though, are coming from individuals and groups who have grown up in a society that is ultra-conservative (small-c), traditional, and where the Wahhabist ideology is almost as deeply rooted as Islam itself. So you can see how someone like Osama bin Laden can come along and rally many of the dissidents within Saudi Arabia (and other parts of the Arabic and Sunni-Islamic world).
Anyway, to bring it full circle...it is quite possible for me to imagine that there were some wealthy, but less politically powerful members of the 15,000 member Saudi royal family who not only sympathized with Osama bin Laden, but privately donated to "charities" that were controlled (at least in-part) by Al-Qaeda operatives. Some of that money may have even made it to the 9/11 hijackers. Even if that is true, I don't really think that that proves that the Saudi state itself was actively involved in knowingly assisting members of al-Qaeda.
However, keep in mind that even as Saudi Arabia has grown incredibly wealthy from oil exports, it retains much of the religious, cultural, and political customs of an earlier age. If anything, the Kingdom's wealth has enabled it to export Wahhabism throughout the rest of the world (not just the Islamic world). This has the added bonus of being a safety valve for ultra-fanatical Saudi dissidents who criticize the royal family for its blatant hypocrisy, its obscene wealth, its strategic alliance with the Western world, and its repression of any dissent. These criticisms, though, are coming from individuals and groups who have grown up in a society that is ultra-conservative (small-c), traditional, and where the Wahhabist ideology is almost as deeply rooted as Islam itself. So you can see how someone like Osama bin Laden can come along and rally many of the dissidents within Saudi Arabia (and other parts of the Arabic and Sunni-Islamic world).
Anyway, to bring it full circle...it is quite possible for me to imagine that there were some wealthy, but less politically powerful members of the 15,000 member Saudi royal family who not only sympathized with Osama bin Laden, but privately donated to "charities" that were controlled (at least in-part) by Al-Qaeda operatives. Some of that money may have even made it to the 9/11 hijackers. Even if that is true, I don't really think that that proves that the Saudi state itself was actively involved in knowingly assisting members of al-Qaeda.
jimd3100
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Well, the Saudi state certainly were knowingly assisting what the U.S. government called "Freedom Fighters" when they were fighting the Russians. This was the birth of Al Qaeda, aka "the evil doers who hate freedom."
The U.S. Government were also assisting the "Freedom Fighters" as the propaganda called them due to the policy of the time. There is a difference between U.S. foreign policy and Wahhabism theology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
Curious question. Does the concerns of the supporters of "28 pages" translate this to all acts of terrorism world wide or do they think the US case was something different?
I ask because, I've seen other countries subjected to terrorist attacks but, I've seen none that are concerned about these pages. Were these attacks different?
Can we agree that there is such a thing as radical Islamic extremists (and they were behind the attacks)?
I ask because, I've seen other countries subjected to terrorist attacks but, I've seen none that are concerned about these pages. Were these attacks different?
Can we agree that there is such a thing as radical Islamic extremists (and they were behind the attacks)?
jimd3100
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Perhaps a list of names can help simplify and focus.
This is not my work. It is the work of Michael Jacobson and Dana Leseman who worked on both the Joint Inquiry and 9-11 Commission report.
This is not a full list BTW---
A Brief Overview of Possible Saudi Government Connections to the September 11th attacks
Omar AI-Bayoumi: Al-Bayoumi, a Saudi national, provided September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar with considerable assistance after the hijackers arrived in San Diego in February 2000. He helped them locate an apartment, co-signed their lease, and ordered Mohdhar Abdullah (discussed below) to provide them with whatever assistance they needed in acclimating to the United States. The FBI now believes that in January 2000 al-Bayoumi met with Fahad al-Thumairy, a Saudi diplomat and cleric, at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles before going to the restaurant where he met the hijackers and engaged them in conversation. Whether or not al-Bayoumi's meeting with the hijackers was accidental or arranged is still the subject of debate. During his conversation with the hijackers, Al-Bayoumi invited them to move to San Diego, which they did shortly thereafter. Al-Bayoumi has extensive ties to the Saudi Government and many in the local Muslim community in San Diego believed that he was a Saudi intelligence officer. The FBI believes it is possible that he was an agent of the Saudi Government and that he may have been reporting on the local community to Saudi Government officials. In addition, during its investigation, the FBI discovered that al-Bayoumi has ties to terrorist elements as well.
Osama Bassnan: Bassnan was a very close associate of al-Bayoumi's, and was in frequent contact with him while the hijackers were in San Diego. Bassnan, a vocal supporter of Usama Bin Ladin, admitted to an FBI asset that he met al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar while the hijackers were in San Diego, but denied this in a later conversation. There is some circumstantial evidence that he may have had closer ties to the hijackers, but the FBI has been unable to corroborate this additional reporting. Bassnan received considerable funding from Prince Bandar and Princess Haifa, supposedly for his wife's medical treatments. According to FBI documents, Bassnan is a former employee of the Saudi Government's Educational Mission in Washington, D.C.
Fahad Al-Thumairy: Until recently al-Thumairy was an accredited Saudi diplomat and imam at the King Fahad Mosque in Culver City, California. The news media reported that the U.S. Government revoked al-Thumairy's visa in May 2003; the diplomat subsequently returned to Saudi Arabia. The FBI now believes that Omar al-Bayoumi met with al-Thumairy at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles before al-Bayoumi went to the restaurant where he met the hijackers. According to witness reporting, al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar were also taken to the King Fahad Mosque while they were in the United States.
Hamid Al-Rashid: Al-Rashid is an employee of the Saudi Civil Aviation Authority and was apparently responsible for approving the salary of Omar al-Bayourni. Hamid al-Rashid is also the father of Saud al-Rashid, whose photo was found in a raid of an al-Qa'ida safehouse in Karachi and who has admitted to being in Afghanistan between May 2000 and May 2001.
Mohdhar Abdullah: Abdullah was tasked by Omar al-Bayourni to provide al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar with whatever assistance they needed while in San Diego. Abdullah, who became one of the hijackers' closest associates in San Diego, translated for them, helped them open bank accounts, contacted flight schools for the hijackers, and helped them otherwise acclimate to life in the United States.
Mohammed Quadir-Harunanl: Quadir-Harunani has been the subject of an FBI counterterrorism investigation since 1999 and the FBI is currently investigating whether he had contact with the September 11th hijackers. In June 2000 a call was placed from Transcom International, a company owned by Quadir-Harunani, to a number subscribed to by Said Bahaji, one of the key members of the Hamburg cell. Quadir-Harunani is also a close associate of Usama bin Ladin's half-brother, Abdullah Bin Ladin (discussed below), who was assigned to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C.
Abdullah Bin Ladin: Abdullah bin Ladin (ABL) is reportedly Usama bin Ladin's half-brother. He is the President and Director ofthe World Arab Muslim Youth Association (WAMY) and the Institute of Islamic and Arabic Studies in America. Both organizations are local branches of nongovernmental organizations based in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. According to the FBI, there is reason to believe that WAMY is "closely associated with the funding and financing of international terrorist activities and in the past has provided logistical support to individuals wishing to fight in the Afghan War." ABL has been assigned to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C. as an administrative officer. He is a close associate of Mohammed Quadir- Harunani's and has provided funding for Transcom International.
Fahad Abdullah Saleh Bakala: According to an FBI document, Bakala was close friends with two of the September 11th hijackers. The document also notes that Bakala has worked as a pilot for the Saudi Royal Family, flying Usama Bin Ladin between Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia during UBL's exile.
Hamad Alotaibi: Alotaibi was assigned to the Saudi Embassy Military Division in Washington, D.C. According to an eyewitness report, one of the September 11th hijackers may have visited Alotaibi at his residence; another FBI document notes that a second hijacker may have also visited this address.
Osama Nooh and Lafi al-Harbi: Al-Harbi and Nooh are Saudi naval officers who were posted to San Diego while hijackers al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi were living there. After the September 11th attacks, the FBI determined that al-Hazmi had telephonic contact with both Nooh and al-Harbi while al-Hazmi was in the United States.
Saleh Al-Hussayen: According to FBI documents, Saleh Al-Hussayen is a Saudi Interior Ministry employee/official and may also be a prominent Saudi cleric. According to one news article, Saleh Al-Hussayen is the Chief
Administrator of the Holy Mosques in Mecca and Medina. An FBI affidavit notes that Saleh Al-Hussayen stayed in the same hotel as three of the hijackers on September 10,2001. He told the FBI that he did not know the hijackers. The FBI agents interviewing him, however, believed he was being deceptive. The interview was terminated when al-Hussayen either passed out or feigned a seizure and was taken to the hospital; he then departed the country before the FBI could reinterview him. Saleh Al-Hussayen is'also the uncle of Sami Al-Hussayen (discussed below).
Sami Al-Hussayen: In February 2003 Sami Al-Hussayen was arrested and charged with visa fraud. According to the indictment, al-Hussayen routed thousands of dollars he received from overseas sources to the Islamic Assembly of North America, an organization also under investigation for ties to terrorism. Al-Hussayen also allegedly set up web sites that promoted suicide bombing and using airplanes as weapons four months before the September 11 attacks.
Mohammed Fakihi: Fakihi is a Saudi diplomat. Until recently he was assigned to the Islamic Affairs Section of the Saudi Embassy in Berlin, Germany. Soon after the September 11th attacks, German authorities searched the apartment of Munir Motassadeq, an associate of the hijackers in Hamburg, and found Fakihi's business card. According to press reports, the Saudis did not respond to German requests for information on Fakihi. More recently, German authorities discovered that Fakihi had contacts with other terrorists; Fakihi was subsequently recalled to Saudi Arabia.
Mohammed AI-Qudhaeein and Hamdan Al-Shalawi: Al-Qudhaeein and Al-Shalawi were both Saudi students living in the Phoenix area. Qudhaeein was receiving funding from the Saudi Government during his time in Phoenix. Qudhaeein and Al-Shalawi were involved in a 1999 incident aboard an America West flight that the FBI's Phoenix Office now believes may have been a "dry run" for the September 11th attacks. Al-Qudhaeein and AIShalawi were traveling to Washington, D.C. to attend a party at the Saudi Embassy; the Saudi Embassy paid for their airfare. According to FBI documents, during the flight they engaged in suspicious behavior, including several attempts to gain access to the cockpit. The plane made an emergency landing in Ohio, but no charges were filed against either individual. The FBI subsequently received information in November 2000 that Al-Shalawi had been trained at the terrorist camps in Afghanistan to conduct Khobar Towertype attacks and the FBI has also developed information tying Al-Qudhaeein to terrorist elements as well.
Ali Hafiz AI-Marri and Maha AI-Marri: Ali AI-Marri was indicted for lying to the FBI about his contact with Mustafa Al-Hasawi, one of the September 11th financiers. Ali Al-Marri, who arrived in the United States shortly before the September 11th attacks, attempted to call Al-Hasawi a number of times from the United States. The FBI has recently received reporting that he may also have been an al-Qa'ida "sleeper agent." According to FBI documents, Ali Al-Marri has connections to the Saudi Royal Family. The Saudi Government provided financial support to his wife, Maha Al-Marri, after Ali Al-Marri was detained and assisted her in departing the United States before the FBI could interview her.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/272443421/2012-048-doc-017
Prince Bandar should probably be at the top of the list.
This is not my work. It is the work of Michael Jacobson and Dana Leseman who worked on both the Joint Inquiry and 9-11 Commission report.
This is not a full list BTW---
A Brief Overview of Possible Saudi Government Connections to the September 11th attacks
Omar AI-Bayoumi: Al-Bayoumi, a Saudi national, provided September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar with considerable assistance after the hijackers arrived in San Diego in February 2000. He helped them locate an apartment, co-signed their lease, and ordered Mohdhar Abdullah (discussed below) to provide them with whatever assistance they needed in acclimating to the United States. The FBI now believes that in January 2000 al-Bayoumi met with Fahad al-Thumairy, a Saudi diplomat and cleric, at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles before going to the restaurant where he met the hijackers and engaged them in conversation. Whether or not al-Bayoumi's meeting with the hijackers was accidental or arranged is still the subject of debate. During his conversation with the hijackers, Al-Bayoumi invited them to move to San Diego, which they did shortly thereafter. Al-Bayoumi has extensive ties to the Saudi Government and many in the local Muslim community in San Diego believed that he was a Saudi intelligence officer. The FBI believes it is possible that he was an agent of the Saudi Government and that he may have been reporting on the local community to Saudi Government officials. In addition, during its investigation, the FBI discovered that al-Bayoumi has ties to terrorist elements as well.
Osama Bassnan: Bassnan was a very close associate of al-Bayoumi's, and was in frequent contact with him while the hijackers were in San Diego. Bassnan, a vocal supporter of Usama Bin Ladin, admitted to an FBI asset that he met al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar while the hijackers were in San Diego, but denied this in a later conversation. There is some circumstantial evidence that he may have had closer ties to the hijackers, but the FBI has been unable to corroborate this additional reporting. Bassnan received considerable funding from Prince Bandar and Princess Haifa, supposedly for his wife's medical treatments. According to FBI documents, Bassnan is a former employee of the Saudi Government's Educational Mission in Washington, D.C.
Fahad Al-Thumairy: Until recently al-Thumairy was an accredited Saudi diplomat and imam at the King Fahad Mosque in Culver City, California. The news media reported that the U.S. Government revoked al-Thumairy's visa in May 2003; the diplomat subsequently returned to Saudi Arabia. The FBI now believes that Omar al-Bayoumi met with al-Thumairy at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles before al-Bayoumi went to the restaurant where he met the hijackers. According to witness reporting, al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar were also taken to the King Fahad Mosque while they were in the United States.
Hamid Al-Rashid: Al-Rashid is an employee of the Saudi Civil Aviation Authority and was apparently responsible for approving the salary of Omar al-Bayourni. Hamid al-Rashid is also the father of Saud al-Rashid, whose photo was found in a raid of an al-Qa'ida safehouse in Karachi and who has admitted to being in Afghanistan between May 2000 and May 2001.
Mohdhar Abdullah: Abdullah was tasked by Omar al-Bayourni to provide al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar with whatever assistance they needed while in San Diego. Abdullah, who became one of the hijackers' closest associates in San Diego, translated for them, helped them open bank accounts, contacted flight schools for the hijackers, and helped them otherwise acclimate to life in the United States.
Mohammed Quadir-Harunanl: Quadir-Harunani has been the subject of an FBI counterterrorism investigation since 1999 and the FBI is currently investigating whether he had contact with the September 11th hijackers. In June 2000 a call was placed from Transcom International, a company owned by Quadir-Harunani, to a number subscribed to by Said Bahaji, one of the key members of the Hamburg cell. Quadir-Harunani is also a close associate of Usama bin Ladin's half-brother, Abdullah Bin Ladin (discussed below), who was assigned to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C.
Abdullah Bin Ladin: Abdullah bin Ladin (ABL) is reportedly Usama bin Ladin's half-brother. He is the President and Director ofthe World Arab Muslim Youth Association (WAMY) and the Institute of Islamic and Arabic Studies in America. Both organizations are local branches of nongovernmental organizations based in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. According to the FBI, there is reason to believe that WAMY is "closely associated with the funding and financing of international terrorist activities and in the past has provided logistical support to individuals wishing to fight in the Afghan War." ABL has been assigned to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C. as an administrative officer. He is a close associate of Mohammed Quadir- Harunani's and has provided funding for Transcom International.
Fahad Abdullah Saleh Bakala: According to an FBI document, Bakala was close friends with two of the September 11th hijackers. The document also notes that Bakala has worked as a pilot for the Saudi Royal Family, flying Usama Bin Ladin between Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia during UBL's exile.
Hamad Alotaibi: Alotaibi was assigned to the Saudi Embassy Military Division in Washington, D.C. According to an eyewitness report, one of the September 11th hijackers may have visited Alotaibi at his residence; another FBI document notes that a second hijacker may have also visited this address.
Osama Nooh and Lafi al-Harbi: Al-Harbi and Nooh are Saudi naval officers who were posted to San Diego while hijackers al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi were living there. After the September 11th attacks, the FBI determined that al-Hazmi had telephonic contact with both Nooh and al-Harbi while al-Hazmi was in the United States.
Saleh Al-Hussayen: According to FBI documents, Saleh Al-Hussayen is a Saudi Interior Ministry employee/official and may also be a prominent Saudi cleric. According to one news article, Saleh Al-Hussayen is the Chief
Administrator of the Holy Mosques in Mecca and Medina. An FBI affidavit notes that Saleh Al-Hussayen stayed in the same hotel as three of the hijackers on September 10,2001. He told the FBI that he did not know the hijackers. The FBI agents interviewing him, however, believed he was being deceptive. The interview was terminated when al-Hussayen either passed out or feigned a seizure and was taken to the hospital; he then departed the country before the FBI could reinterview him. Saleh Al-Hussayen is'also the uncle of Sami Al-Hussayen (discussed below).
Sami Al-Hussayen: In February 2003 Sami Al-Hussayen was arrested and charged with visa fraud. According to the indictment, al-Hussayen routed thousands of dollars he received from overseas sources to the Islamic Assembly of North America, an organization also under investigation for ties to terrorism. Al-Hussayen also allegedly set up web sites that promoted suicide bombing and using airplanes as weapons four months before the September 11 attacks.
Mohammed Fakihi: Fakihi is a Saudi diplomat. Until recently he was assigned to the Islamic Affairs Section of the Saudi Embassy in Berlin, Germany. Soon after the September 11th attacks, German authorities searched the apartment of Munir Motassadeq, an associate of the hijackers in Hamburg, and found Fakihi's business card. According to press reports, the Saudis did not respond to German requests for information on Fakihi. More recently, German authorities discovered that Fakihi had contacts with other terrorists; Fakihi was subsequently recalled to Saudi Arabia.
Mohammed AI-Qudhaeein and Hamdan Al-Shalawi: Al-Qudhaeein and Al-Shalawi were both Saudi students living in the Phoenix area. Qudhaeein was receiving funding from the Saudi Government during his time in Phoenix. Qudhaeein and Al-Shalawi were involved in a 1999 incident aboard an America West flight that the FBI's Phoenix Office now believes may have been a "dry run" for the September 11th attacks. Al-Qudhaeein and AIShalawi were traveling to Washington, D.C. to attend a party at the Saudi Embassy; the Saudi Embassy paid for their airfare. According to FBI documents, during the flight they engaged in suspicious behavior, including several attempts to gain access to the cockpit. The plane made an emergency landing in Ohio, but no charges were filed against either individual. The FBI subsequently received information in November 2000 that Al-Shalawi had been trained at the terrorist camps in Afghanistan to conduct Khobar Towertype attacks and the FBI has also developed information tying Al-Qudhaeein to terrorist elements as well.
Ali Hafiz AI-Marri and Maha AI-Marri: Ali AI-Marri was indicted for lying to the FBI about his contact with Mustafa Al-Hasawi, one of the September 11th financiers. Ali Al-Marri, who arrived in the United States shortly before the September 11th attacks, attempted to call Al-Hasawi a number of times from the United States. The FBI has recently received reporting that he may also have been an al-Qa'ida "sleeper agent." According to FBI documents, Ali Al-Marri has connections to the Saudi Royal Family. The Saudi Government provided financial support to his wife, Maha Al-Marri, after Ali Al-Marri was detained and assisted her in departing the United States before the FBI could interview her.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/272443421/2012-048-doc-017
Prince Bandar should probably be at the top of the list.
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
Seems odd that world wide law enforcement would not be on this. Their soil has also been attacked......
Has anyone thought to contact Interpol on this (or the host of other countries big dogs)?
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Allen773
Graduate Poster
Who specifically are you referring to here?
Al-Qaeda didn't exist at that time. As for Osama bin Laden, he was a bit player in the war against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Hardly an important figure at the time. Also, there is no evidence that either of the respective groups of people who would later become Al-Qaeda and the Taliban were ever assisted by the US government.
jimd3100
Thinker
Who specifically are you referring to here?
nonsense....
The birth of al Qaeda
After fighting Soviet Army occupiers in Afghanistan (with U.S. backing) from 1979 to 1989, Osama bin Laden would take the concept of holy war (jihad) elsewhere in order to liberate other occupied Muslim lands.
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2058.html
nonsense....
Prince Bandar speaking about Bin Laden....
PRINCE BANDAR: This is ironic. In the mid-'80s, if you remember, we and the United -- Saudi Arabia and the United States were supporting the Mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. He came to thank me for my efforts to bring the Americans, our friends, to help us against the atheists, he said the communists.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0110/01/lkl.00.html
Perhaps you'd prefer the movie version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHl-6uH8MUQ
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If you don't like what the government is doing, get your representatives to stop funding it. They stopped funding the war in Vietnam, and we left... your representatives have the power, not some BS fake movement based on lies, and hiding behind a fake name, "9/11 Truther" ... sounds like a title 1984 would coin
Do the 28 pages expose who paid for the knives? 5 dollars? I thought UBL bought the planes when I learned of the second impact (flight 175). But he had his idiots, the 19 terrorist who did 911 all by themselves (the act), steal the planes - where did he find the idiots... it seems there is a large pool of similar mentality, dumber than dirt, who call themselves "9/11 Truthers"
Do the 28 pages expose who paid for the knives? 5 dollars? I thought UBL bought the planes when I learned of the second impact (flight 175). But he had his idiots, the 19 terrorist who did 911 all by themselves (the act), steal the planes - where did he find the idiots... it seems there is a large pool of similar mentality, dumber than dirt, who call themselves "9/11 Truthers"
Some BS verified what he said...
time and space, are important in comprehension. How is that future predicting going?
After reading all your BS, I think if you were in the CIA/FBI/etal, you would have stopped 911 before it happened... wait, I read your BS again... it appears if you ran the CIA/FBI/etal, only 17 hijackers, aka nuts for UBL would have boarded the planes, as you deported your bad guys who did not talk...
or was that BS from ... someone else
You could start folding to help find a cure... make a difference
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Oystein
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Is this only an excerpt of Jacobson's and Leseman's list?
I see that Bandar is not even on that list - is he on the list somewhere in the part that you excised from Jacobson's and Leseman's work?
If not, then I think I see clearer, finally: You simply want Bandar to be on a list, and right on top of that list, even though your sources don't directly implicate him!
Bandar and his wife are mentioned as supporting someone on the list, ostensibly for a charitable purpose. Now we need a little more than your appeal to incredulity ("Do you believe that "Bandar Bush" a future head of Saudi Intelligence and his wife, the sister of the head of Saudi Intelligence at that time didn't know they were sending money to what the FBI called "an ardent supporter" of Bin Laden?") to convince anyone that Bandar should be on the list at all.
Mark F
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I sure wish I could read Bandar's MFR (Memoranda For The Record) but it's classified. I'd also like to see him testify publicly and under oath. John Lehman specifically asked Bush about Bandar and his wife, and Bush "dodged the questions." Bush did WHAT?!? Put his ass on the stand too. Riggs Bank and Bandar's connections to it. There are plenty of reasons to suspect somehow Bandar is connected.
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DGM
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No it hasn't. What "truthful" thing are you hoping to find? Some Saudi involvement is a given.
I'd like to see your answer to my question as to if this is unique to the US.