Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

It actually makes sense to me that a mind impenetrable to Amanda's obvious innocence would think nobody else could truly believe her innocent as well. I would think this view is common in most guilters in some form or another.

This "obvious innocence" was not evident to the cops who were actually at the crime scene. Mignini saw the body, spoke extensively, as a skilled, qualified examiner, to the suspects. He doesn't think they are innocent.

I saw the film 'Precinct Seven Five' the other day a film documentary about bent New York cop Michael Dowd. At the end we see him feigning tears of remorse, but like Amanda, there are no tears in his eyes, and in fact, a smug micro smile never leaves his face, a clear sociopath.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

I have always wondered why Amanda’s defence team did not make a formal complaint on her behalf (assuming she informed them) of the alleged physical abuse of their client whilst helping the police with their enquiries (as we say in the UK).

Why didn’t Amanda’s legal team use Italian law to make a formal complaint, which in itself would have compelled a formal investigation?

If such a complaint had been lodged prior to the first level trial would Amanda being facing her latest court proceeding?

 

[Bill Williams]

I have always wondered why Amanda’s defence team did not make a formal complaint on her behalf (assuming she informed them) of the alleged physical abuse of their client whilst helping the police with their enquiries (as we say in the UK).

Why didn’t Amanda’s legal team use Italian law to make a formal complaint, which in itself would have compelled a formal investigation?

If such a complaint had been lodged prior to the first level trial would Amanda being facing her latest court proceeding?

IIRC that is covered in her book. She was advised not to enrage the police for the smaller items in the hopes that the murder charges would simply go away for lack of evidence. The formal charges for murder were not filed for a year as it was, and using 20/20 hindsight perhaps the defence lawyers should have gone for a full court press.

 

[Bill Williams]

Rubbish. It is sexist nonsense on yours and acbytesla's part.

I am sure that long-time readers here can make up their own minds. You've made enough posts of your own to qualify as a slut-shamer.

 

[bagels]

This "obvious innocence" was not evident to the cops who were actually at the crime scene. Mignini saw the body, spoke extensively, as a skilled, qualified examiner, to the suspects. He doesn't think they are innocent.

I saw the film 'Precinct Seven Five' the other day a film documentary about bent New York cop Michael Dowd. At the end we see him feigning tears of remorse, but like Amanda, there are no tears in his eyes, and in fact, a smug micro smile never leaves his face, a clear sociopath.

It was the first murder of its kind there in what, decades? They had no context or experience. Almost all of their "investigative intuition" was born in the assumption that the wall was too high to climb. The actual killer had climbed an even higher wall two weeks prior. But by the time they discovered him they had already avalanched themselves down the wrong path entirely. The break-in became staged became an inside job became one of the occupants became Amanda Knox.

Actually you confirm for me one of the pillars of this case that I think all pro-guilt beliefs stem from. The evidence presented at trial isn't of any relevance to a guilter. This is why you can play whack a mole knocking it down all day and they just hop around from one topic to the next in a loop. The kitchen knife, the luminol, etc, it's all nonsense. There are two foundational elements that make up the core of the guilter belief. One is what you just stated, that the police wouldn't have focused on them so intently in the beginning and concluded they were guilty if they were completely innocent. The second is Amanda made statements implicating an innocent black man in the crime. These two elements reinforce each other into an impregnable foundation from which all further guilter thought stems from. And since they are technically true they will stand guard over the prosecution's fantasy for life. That the crime was later solved and the actual killer was somebody else can never alter this.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

IIRC that is covered in her book. She was advised not to enrage the police for the smaller items in the hopes that the murder charges would simply go away for lack of evidence. The formal charges for murder were not filed for a year as it was, and using 20/20 hindsight perhaps the defence lawyers should have gone for a full court press.

We have an Italian legal team, right?

Wouldn’t they know how to lodge a formal complaint within Italian law against PLE officers?

Amanda’s legal team => “They did what!?"

Tumbleweed.

Amanda on the stand “I was hit by a police officer” whilst helping them with their enquiries!!

Just saying, for the sake for discussion.

 

[Bill Williams]

IIRC that is covered in her book. She was advised not to enrage the police for the smaller items in the hopes that the murder charges would simply go away for lack of evidence. The formal charges for murder were not filed for a year as it was, and using 20/20 hindsight perhaps the defence lawyers should have gone for a full court press.

We have an Italian legal team, right?

Wouldn’t they know how to lodge a formal complaint within Italian law against PLE officers?

Amanda’s legal team => “They did what!?"

Tumbleweed.

Amanda on the stand “I was hit by a police officer” whilst helping them with their enquiries!!

Just saying, for the sake for discussion.

I'm not sure how to reply to this, so apologies if it doesn't cover what you intend.

IIUC the prosecution has a year to lay a charge, and is under no requirement to make discovery/disclosure of evidence until the charge is laid. Of course this is in relation to the big ticket items of murder, etc.

So, of course the Italian lawyers would have known the procedure to lodge a formal complaint within Italian law, with regards to the whack on the head at interrogation. But any competent lawyer would have advised their client to keep the big picture in mind, and not antagonize the PLE which, up until the charge is laid, hold all the cards - in fact, get to say which cards are in play.

I could give more surmises on my own part - read Amanda's book. It's covered there.

 

[anglolawyer]

We have an Italian legal team, right?

Wouldn’t they know how to lodge a formal complaint within Italian law against PLE officers?

Amanda’s legal team => “They did what!?"

Tumbleweed.

Amanda on the stand “I was hit by a police officer” whilst helping them with their enquiries!!

Just saying, for the sake for discussion.

I know where you're coming from, Coulsdon, but the likelihood is not that her legal team was no good (in this particular, at any rate) but that they knew how things go down in Italy.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

I know where you're coming from, Coulsdon, but the likelihood is not that her legal team was no good (in this particular, at any rate) but that they knew how things go down in Italy.

Anglolawyer

You’ve have returned from beyond the “naughty step!”

Look! They are Italian lawyers, right?

Who would know better than how to raise a formal complaint against the PLE on behalf of their client within the Italian legal process?

I am not casting aspersions on Amanda legal team, but asking a reasonable question.

I assume Amanda informed her legal team, right?

 

[carbonjam72]

I know where you're coming from, Coulsdon, but the likelihood is not that her legal team was no good (in this particular, at any rate) but that they knew how things go down in Italy.

Amanda described the interrogation on the witness stand, and told her attonery and family as it happened.

There is a trial going on in Florence that may be wrapping up today for saying these things about the Italian police. (Ficarra was supposed to be testifying, according to a twitter post from Andrea Vogt).

When Amanda made these statements from the stand, there was no formal investigation. Commodi simply stated that Amanda said it in front of everyone, so there's no need to investigate.

Welcome back Coulsdon.

btw, now that Amanda and Raf have been acquitted, do you accept that they had nothing to do with this crime? Or are you of the opinion that, "we'll never know", or "Amanda knows more". I'd be curious to hear what you think, if you're finally ready to share an opinion.

 

[sept79]

Anglolawyer

You’ve have returned from beyond the “naughty step!”

Look! They are Italian lawyers, right?

Who would know better than how to raise a formal complaint against the PLE on behalf of their client within the Italian legal process?

I am not casting aspersions on Amanda legal team, but asking a reasonable question.

I assume Amanda informed her legal team, right?

Both 'Bill Williams' and 'Anglolawyer' answered your question . . .

 

[Bill Williams]

Both 'Bill Williams' and 'Anglolawyer' answered your question . . .

................ and a reasonable question at that!

 

[anglolawyer]

Anglolawyer

You’ve have returned from beyond the “naughty step!”

Look! They are Italian lawyers, right?

Who would know better than how to raise a formal complaint against the PLE on behalf of their client within the Italian legal process?

I am not casting aspersions on Amanda legal team, but asking a reasonable question.

I assume Amanda informed her legal team, right?

Of course they knew how, in the formal sense of which bits of paper to fill in and where to file etc. What they also knew as Italian lawyers practising in Italy with a client in jail was how best to get her out, and going to war against the Italian state was not their plan.

And yes. I came back. Hello.

 

[Methos]

Really? You think someone wielding a knife for "extreme experiences" is "a healthy young woman"?

You are getting things mixed up,aren't you? (If not: "Quote, please...")

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Amanda described the interrogation on the witness stand, and told her attonery and family as it happened.

There is a trial going on in Florence that may be wrapping up today for saying these things about the Italian police. (Ficarra was supposed to be testifying, according to a twitter post from Andrea Vogt).

When Amanda made these statements from the stand, there was no formal investigation. Commodi simply stated that Amanda said it in front of everyone, so there's no need to investigate.

Welcome back Coulsdon.

btw, now that Amanda and Raf have been acquitted, do you accept that they had nothing to do with this crime? Or are you of the opinion that, "we'll never know", or "Amanda knows more". I'd be curious to hear what you think, if you're finally ready to share an opinion.

Like everyone else I look forward to discussing the motivational report when it is published, until then.

 

[anglolawyer]

Like everyone else I look forward to discussing the motivational report when it is published, until then.

Mind that fence don't leave splinters in yo ass, Coulsdon

 

[Desert Fox]

Like everyone else I look forward to discussing the motivational report when it is published, until then.

I hope you are really patient because I believe one took three years to be written.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Mind that fence don't leave splinters in yo ass, Coulsdon

Look over your shoulder; that’s the naughty step you can see.

Although my Dad was born and died an American, I prefer the arse as opposed to ass.

 

[anglolawyer]

Look over your shoulder; that’s the naughty step you can see.

Although my Dad was born and died an American, I prefer the arse as opposed to ass.

In fact, 'ass' is a better word. So is 'butt'. The yanks have these bases all covered. Deal with it, bro'.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

In fact, 'ass' is a better word. So is 'butt'. The yanks have these bases all covered. Deal with it, bro'.

A brother from another mother, bro! Yanks! (bless)