Ed clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[TheL8Elvis]

Of course, her supporters are going to continue to attempt to confuse the issue to mitigate her culpability in mishandling classified information. No surprise at all.

Yes, confusing the issue with the reality that people can have legitimate disagreements on what information is classified.

This seems to be important to you. Why? The punishment for violating the laws involved with handleing classified material would be the same. Perhaps a Govt. server would be more secure, but we don't know those details yet.

Because this whole issue started with cowboy/homebrew/OMG!!11

Oh, really? How much classified material have you handled and at what level? It's quite obvious to me that you don't know squat about the subject.

I held a TS clearance, but I haven't any arguments based on it.

As to your opinion on what you think I know .... meh.

 

[The Big Dog]

Of course, her supporters are going to continue to attempt to confuse the issue to mitigate her culpability in mishandling classified information. No surprise at all.



This seems to be important to you. Why? The punishment for violating the laws involved with handleing classified material would be the same. Perhaps a Govt. server would be more secure, but we don't know those details yet.



Oh, really? How much classified material have you handled and at what level? It's quite obvious to me that you don't know squat about the subject.

The thing is about the "arcane' rules is that Obama just issued a Executive Order on this in 2009!

Further, we know that on at least three occasions Hillary had classified data sent to her private server, and she knew about the last episode involving Israel/Palestine/UK.

 

[Ziggurat]

What this issue should really be about is the arcane and backwards policies and processes surrounding classification in the US Govt., not where someone was getting their email.

What this issue should really be about is whether the law should prohibit people from exchanging money for acts that they are legally permitted to do, not whether Spitzer was hiring hookers.

 

[davefoc]

She shouldn't have been seeking his opinion about this stuff to begin with.

This wasn't responsive. I was asking about where the line is and where it should be between job related and private communications. I see arguments on both sides on this. I think I'd split the difference. Should be archived, but to remain not public for a significant length of time. Which of these situations are definitely private:
1. Comment from a friend on a SoS topic. (How to interact with Putin)
2. Comment from a friend on a SoS internal topic. (How to treat her staff)
3. Comment from a friend on a political issue, not SoS related topic (How to raise money in Florida)
4. Comment from a friend on a non political, not SoS related topic (What should be the age of consent)
5. Comment from a friend on an entirely private matter unrelated to politics or SoS issues.

Probably, though "leaked" is the wrong word, since a lot of this stuff would have been made public via FIOA requests, and not just from Republicans.

This relates to the Blumenthal question. Should it have been possible to force those emails to be made public now. I lean to no.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

The thing is about the "arcane' rules is that Obama just issued a Executive Order on this in 2009!

Further, we know that on at least three occasions Hillary had classified data sent to her private server, and she knew about the last episode involving Israel/Palestine/UK.

Well then, with all that evidence, and the facts that her violation of the laws is so cut and dried, she will be lucky to stay out of jail, won't she ?

Wake me up when she's in jail ...

 

[The Big Dog]

One stunning thing about the emails is just how pervasive Sid Blumenthal's influence was.

Obama sent Rahm Emmanuel to tell Hillary that she could not hire him, so she just back doors Obama and Blumenthal becomes a roving ambassador without portfolio.

Screw you Obama.

By the way, remember when Hillary told THIS whopper:

Describing Blumenthal as “a friend of mine for a long time,” Clinton said “he sent me unsolicited emails which I passed on in some instances, and I say that that’s just part of the give and take.”

Gee Hillary lied about that too.

 

[The Big Dog]

This relates to the Blumenthal question. Should it have been possible to force those emails to be made public now. I lean to no.

there was specific FOIA request seeking these emails, which was thwarted because Hillary had many of them on her own server.

Of course they are discoverable under FOIA

 

[Reheat]

Yes, confusing the issue with the reality that people can have legitimate disagreements on what information is classified.

The only real disagreements are at the Confidential Level. There can and are disagreement at that level, but it's rare above that at the Secret or Top Secret Level...

Because this whole issue started with cowboy/homebrew/OMG!!11

That is relevant depending on whether some markings/Stamps were removed to facilitate the what should have been an illegal server. The rationale for having the damn thing in the first place are becoming more and more deceptive as more is released. She acquired an iPad shortly after assuming office and used that in addition to her Blackberry, so her excuse originally given was obviously deceptive. It is becoming more and more apparent that she intended to hide stuff and she almost got away with it...

I held a TS clearance, but I haven't any arguments based on it.

As to your opinion on what you think I know .... meh.

You obviously evaded my question. You have been giving opinions based on something, so your experience and qualifications are relevant. You're not the only one giving ignorant opinions, so I do not intend to single you out any more than others doing the same thing... They'll get their turn eventually...

 

[davefoc]

there was specific FOIA request seeking these emails, which was thwarted because Hillary had many of them on her own server.

Of course they are discoverable under FOIA

Why, they look like private communications to me?

 

[The Big Dog]

Why, they look like private communications to me?

Blumenthal's emails?

He was sending her "intelligence" about foreign affairs which was her job.....

Plus she passed on most of them to her senior aides (plus Sid got hacked so most of them are in the wild anyway, but that is a whole another story)

 

[davefoc]

Blumenthal's emails?

He was sending her "intelligence" about foreign affairs which was her job.....

Plus she passed on most of them to her senior aides (plus Sid got hacked so most of them are in the wild anyway, but that is a whole another story)

fair enough.

What about the Lanny Watkins suck up email where he was just looking for a job recommendation. That really seems private to me.

I can tell after this i'm not going to be sending any suck up letters to the Secretary of State looking for a job recommendation.

 

[The Big Dog]

fair enough.

What about the Lanny Watkins suck up email where he was just looking for a job recommendation. That really seems private to me.

I can tell after this i'm not going to be sending any suck up letters to the Secretary of State looking for a job recommendation.

Lanny Watkins? The golfer?

I have not seen that, and a quick the googles does not show anything....

 

[davefoc]

Lanny Watkins? The golfer?

I have not seen that, and a quick the googles does not show anything....

Maybe Lanny Watkins sent an email to Clinton asking for a job recommendation and we don't know about it because it was judged private, however I meant Lanny Davis. Sorry.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-emails-must-read-213207

How about what Blumenthal said about Boehner? Why did that get released?

"Boehner is despised by the younger, more conservative members of the House Republican Conference. They are repelled by his personal behavior," Blumenthal wrote, in part. "He is louche, alcoholic, lazy, and without any commitment to any principle. Boehner has already tried to buy the members with campaign contributions and committee assignments, which he has already promised to potentially difficult members."

And what is a louche? It doesn't sound good. I need to look that up.

ETA:
Merriam Webster only shows it as an adjective with these synonyms:
discreditable, disgraceful, dishonorable, ignominious, infamous, disreputable, notorious, opprobrious, shady, shameful, shoddy, shy, unrespectable

However the urban dictionary shows it as a noun:
Any person, thing, or situation which is sketchy, shady, or undesirable.

Good on Blumenthal for being linguistically leading edge and going with the trendy usage.

I noticed that it is pronounced so as to rhyme with douche. I guessed it was pronounced with the ou as in louse. It looks like Blumenthal shouldn't be counting on getting a Christmas card from Boehner this year.

 

[The Big Dog]

Maybe Lanny Watkins sent an email to Clinton asking for a job recommendation and we don't know about it because it was judged private, however I meant Lanny Davis. Sorry.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-2016-emails-must-read-213207

How about what Blumenthal said about Boehner? Why did that get released?



And what is a louche? It doesn't sound good. I need to look that up.

ETA:
Merriam Webster only shows it as an adjective with these synonyms:
discreditable, disgraceful, dishonorable, ignominious, infamous, disreputable, notorious, opprobrious, shady, shameful, shoddy, shy, unrespectable

However the urban dictionary shows it as a noun:
Any person, thing, or situation which is sketchy, shady, or undesirable.

Good on Blumenthal for being linguistically leading edge and going with the trendy usage.

I noticed that it is pronounced so as to rhyme with douche. I guessed it was pronounced with the ou as in louse. It looks like Blumenthal shouldn't be counting on getting a Christmas card from Boehner this year.

Lanny Davis's email was passed on to State Department aides for comment. (the hilarious thing is Lanny Davis was one of Clinton's earliest and least effective defenders on this whole email fiasco!)

Sid Blumenthal... what a moron. and if Hills gets the top job, you can be damn sure that lowlife will have a top level position. Yikes.

 

[mgidm86]

You have never stated that you would never do something, only to change your mind later? Or seen someone else do so? You think changing one's mind is evidence that one was pressured into doing so? I know a guy that loves to drink heavily on occasion. He's been heard to claim he'll never drink again on more than one Sunday morning. Did the FBI pressure him into drinking the next Saturday night?

Was he the subject of an FBI investigation? Come on man, would you defend a Republican so fervently? I mean this is extreme.

It is conjecture that the FBI is investigating Clinton, and it is conjecture that the classified data you claim is being found is anything but retroactively classified material, with the exception of 2 forwarded emails containing "classified information" that had already been broadcast on CNN a day before it was sent.



Conjecture that she had any duty to turn over personal emails, or that any of the destroyed emails were not personal.



Finally, an honest claim.



You don't have enough valid information to use Occam's Razor.

Okay, so Hillary changed her mind and volunteered the server, which she kinda didn't actually do since it was wiped clean. Seriously not forthcoming.

I did not say the FBI was investigating Clinton, they are obviously not interested in her at all. Nope.

The retroactive claim is so 15 pages ago.

You trust, after all of Hillary's evasiveness, that she destroyed all of those emails and that they were all personal - I do not share that trust, she has given me every reason to feel that way.

I have plenty of information to invoke Occam's razor.

I realize this is a skeptics site, but to give the benefit of the doubt to her to such a degree is unbelievable to me. If you think I and others here are jumping to conclusions, those efforts pale in comparison to the amount of stretching you are doing to back her up. We disagree, I'm fine with that.

 

[davefoc]

Lanny Davis's email was passed on to State Department aides for comment. (the hilarious thing is Lanny Davis was one of Clinton's earliest and least effective defenders on this whole email fiasco!)

Seems like a valid point.

Sid Blumenthal... what a moron. and if Hills gets the top job, you can be damn sure that lowlife will have a top level position. Yikes.

Well at least you didn't call him a louche.

 

[davefoc]

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You trust, after all of Hillary's evasiveness, that she destroyed all of those emails and that they were all personal - I do not share that trust, she has given me every reason to feel that way.

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Is there more of a reason to not trust Clinton in this situation that any other politician? A normal cabinet secretary would probably have a private email address and I would expect that at least some public business is done through that address that the public will never have a clue about.

It is only the uniqueness of having a big pile of comingled emails that makes this situation unique, but Clinton could have accomplished what probably most cabinet officers do by just using her private email account if she wanted to hide something. There are risks with that so a cabinet officer might do it seldom enough that they would be unlikely to be caught and if they were they could just say that they made a mistake.

 

[The Big Dog]

Clinton, using private server, wrote and sent e-mails now deemed classified

Well that didn't take long

 

[wareyin]

Is there more of a reason to not trust Clinton in this situation that any other politician? A normal cabinet secretary would probably have a private email address and I would expect that at least some public business is done through that address that the public will never have a clue about.

It is only the uniqueness of having a big pile of comingled emails that makes this situation unique, but Clinton could have accomplished what probably most cabinet officers do by just using her private email account if she wanted to hide something. There are risks with that so a cabinet officer might do it seldom enough that they would be unlikely to be caught and if they were they could just say that they made a mistake.

No, there is not. That is why I kept bringing up instances of past SoS' doing the same or similar, and we also have Jeb Bush, W, and many more who have done the same or very similar. The only "uniqueness" to this situation is the rabid, frothing at the mouth dislike of all things Clinton by many on the right.

You've asked for a reason why Clinton would want to have a private server, and also why Clinton would call for the emails to be released publicly after they'd been subject to FOIA requests. These questions indicate a lack of knowledge of how the Starr investigation selectively leaked information about Bill Clinton to the press, as well as how Trey Gowdy has done the same to Hillary Clinton.

 

[Fudbucker]

No, there is not. That is why I kept bringing up instances of past SoS' doing the same or similar, and we also have Jeb Bush, W, and many more who have done the same or very similar. The only "uniqueness" to this situation is the rabid, frothing at the mouth dislike of all things Clinton by many on the right.

You've asked for a reason why Clinton would want to have a private server, and also why Clinton would call for the emails to be released publicly after they'd been subject to FOIA requests. These questions indicate a lack of knowledge of how the Starr investigation selectively leaked information about Bill Clinton to the press, as well as how Trey Gowdy has done the same to Hillary Clinton.

This story probably would have died except that she A) kept changing her story and B) deleted all those emails