Ed clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham?

[Ziggurat]

OK, now I think the scandal has plateaued. Hopefully I can go longer than 10 minutes without being provably wrong again.

It's been longer than 10 minutes, and this may not count as proof, but I still wouldn't bet that the scandal has plateaued yet.

Staffer who worked on Clinton's email pleads the 5th

 

[Reheat]

No, there is not. That is why I kept bringing up instances of past SoS' doing the same or similar, and we also have Jeb Bush, W, and many more who have done the same or very similar. The only "uniqueness" to this situation is the rabid, frothing at the mouth dislike of all things Clinton by many on the right.

Please provide evidence that anyone else you've named or for that matter anyone you haven't named who have had classified information on an unsecured server and are not now in jail. Either put up or shut up!

 

[Newtons Bit]

Please provide evidence that anyone else you've named or for that matter anyone you haven't named who have had classified information on an unsecured server and are not now in jail. Either put up or shut up!

Most people who get convicted of mishandling small amounts of classified information get small or even deferred sentences...

 

[Reheat]

Most people who get convicted of mishandling small amounts of classified information get small or even deferred sentences...

Do you consider what's been published so far, a small amount? We really don't know the full extent of it yet.

In addition, a Special Prosecutor should have been assigned already. Obviously, she is getting the "kid glove" treatment by the Administration as if that's any surprise.

 

[wareyin]

This story probably would have died except that she A) kept changing her story and B) deleted all those emails

Really? Did Benghazi die? Heck, I still occasionally see stuff about Vince Foster's death.

 

[wareyin]

Most people who get convicted of mishandling small amounts of classified information get small or even deferred sentences...

Don't let reality get in the way of his conspiracy theory!

 

[applecorped]

Plead the fifth.

 

[wareyin]

Please provide evidence that anyone else you've named or for that matter anyone you haven't named who have had classified information on an unsecured server and are not now in jail. Either put up or shut up!

Colin Powell sent emails to foreign leaders from his personal Gmail account. He is not in jail. There was no special prosecutor.

eta: In case you aren't aware, Gmail servers aren't secured.

 

[Reheat]

Colin Powell sent emails to foreign leaders from his personal Gmail account. He is not in jail. There was no special prosecutor.

eta: In case you aren't aware, Gmail servers aren't secured.

Evidence? Source? Proof they were classified.

 

[applecorped]

Colin Powell sent emails to foreign leaders from his personal Gmail account. He is not in jail. There was no special prosecutor.

eta: In case you aren't aware, Gmail servers aren't secured.

Tu quoque nonsense already addressed

 

[wareyin]

Evidence? Source? Proof they were classified.

Apparently you missed the previous couple of times it was posted, so here it is again:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/4/colin-powell-used-personal-email-account-while-sec/

And for proof they were classified, I ask you to go back through this thread and read how

Information from foreign governments is "born" classified as has been explained in detail in this thread, <snip>

For further evidence of communication with foreign leaders being classified, I give you Blair saying "that U.S. and British officials would work together to promote peace" is classified.

 

[wareyin]

Tu quoque nonsense already addressed

For those not following along, this was information Reheat requested, and has never, ever been a tu quoque. For those interested in reality, this is highlighting the obvious selective outrage.

 

[Reheat]

Apparently you missed the previous couple of times it was posted, so here it is again:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/4/colin-powell-used-personal-email-account-while-sec/

And for proof they were classified, I ask you to go back through this thread and read how

For further evidence of communication with foreign leaders being classified, I give you Blair saying "that U.S. and British officials would work together to promote peace" is classified.

What a bunch of malarkey!

First of all, the State Department email system was being updated when Powell took Office. At the same time a Special Prosecutor is appointed to investigate Hillery also appoint one to investigate Powell and determine if either or both violated laws and take the appropriate action. I suspect you know what they will find even tho' you're pretending to be blind regarding the difference.

Secondly, the laws have changed since Powell was in Office, specifically in 2009.

Thirdly, the rule is that information from Foreign Leaders is automatically classified I seriously doubt. You specifically stated that HE sent information to foreign leaders not that he necessarily received any. Prove that's the same.

Your example is preposterous. That communication from Blair was classified by the British or Blair at the CONFIDENTIAL level. Obviously, it should not have been classified, however, the laws is that only the CLASSIFIER can DECLASSIFY not an arrogant Sec of State. If this were the only example of classified information mishandled by her or her minions you wouldn't be hearing a legitimate peep from anyone.

And lastly, how dare you attempt to mitigate sending geospatial satellite intelligence information via email on an unsecured network as equivalent to anything at all done by anyone who is not in jail.

This is not a political issue and it needs to be investigated by a special prosecutor, as well as by the FBI and a Grand Jury convened if necessary.

You are failing miserably at this, but it is humorous and entertaining, so keep it up so I can have a few more belly laughs at the desperate attempts to defend the undefendable...

 

[TheL8Elvis]

The only real disagreements are at the Confidential Level. There can and are disagreement at that level, but it's rare above that at the Secret or Top Secret Level...

And , with the exception of the initial 2 emails that are claimed to have TS information, the Confidential Level is what we are talking about on all these other emails that have been retroactively marked as classified.

So I'm glad we agree that there can be disagreement at that level.

That is relevant depending on whether some markings/Stamps were removed to facilitate the what should have been an illegal server. The rationale for having the damn thing in the first place are becoming more and more deceptive as more is released. She acquired an iPad shortly after assuming office and used that in addition to her Blackberry, so her excuse originally given was obviously deceptive. It is becoming more and more apparent that she intended to hide stuff and she almost got away with it...

Clearly you understand in reality there was nothing illegal about her server, since you lament it "Should have been" illegal.

As to her excuse, you claim it's a deception because she knew that the ipad was coming out in a year and should buy one and carry it ? She can see into the future ?

Thirdly, the rule is that information from Foreign Leaders is automatically classified I seriously doubt.

I assume everyone seriously doubts that is a real rule, with the exception of 16.5

Your example is preposterous. That communication from Blair was classified by the British or Blair at the CONFIDENTIAL level. Obviously, it should not have been classified, however, the laws is that only the CLASSIFIER can DECLASSIFY not an arrogant Sec of State. If this were the only example of classified information mishandled by her or her minions you wouldn't be hearing a legitimate peep from anyone.

Why would the British or Blair send her information at the CONFIDENTIAL level for a public release ?

Here is the email with statements.
And here is the public statement she released, containing that exact information.

To claim that information was classified is ludicrous.

And, it is the example being discussed because 16.5 brought it up to "prove" she was a liar about knowing about classified material on her server.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Clinton, using private server, wrote and sent e-mails now deemed classified

Well that didn't take long

You are a little late with this news, davefoc already posted this link.

What a maroon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5aa4a3a_story.html?postshare=9511441158692436

OK, now I think the scandal has plateaued. Hopefully I can go longer than 10 minutes without being provably wrong again.

 

[wareyin]

And lastly, how dare you attempt to mitigate sending geospatial satellite intelligence information via email on an unsecured network as equivalent to anything at all done by anyone who is not in jail.

I'm snipping all the blustery ranting and conjecture as not worth responding to. This bit is pretty silly though. "How dare you", really? Sorry that I don't think being forwarded information that had already been broadcast on CNN deserves jail time. Clearly, you do, but only if the recipient is named Clinton.

 

[Reheat]

And , with the exception of the initial 2 emails that are claimed to have TS information, the Confidential Level is what we are talking about on all these other emails that have been retroactively marked as classified.

So I'm glad we agree that there can be disagreement at that level.

I'm not sure you are correct about ONLY two at the TS level as if that's not enough to convene a grand jury. In that you keep mentioning this RETROACTIVE crap just proves what I said earlier that you don't know squat about the rules for handling classified information. That is simply BS put out by her campaign to confuse and conflate the issue.

Clearly you understand in reality there was nothing illegal about her server, since you lament it "Should have been" illegal.

I'm really not sure about that, yet. Quite obviously it should have been and should be illegal. Laws should not have to replace common sense at that level in our Government. One does expect out leaders at that level should have good judgment.

As to her excuse, you claim it's a deception because she knew that the ipad was coming out in a year and should buy one and carry it ? She can see into the future ?

Yeah, sure kiddo, whatever you say!

I assume everyone seriously doubts that is a real rule, with the exception of 16.5

I'll let 16.5 speak for himself regarding interpolating that.

Why would the British or Blair send her information at the CONFIDENTIAL level for a public release ?

Here is the email with statements.
And here is the public statement she released, containing that exact information.

To claim that information was classified is ludicrous.

And, it is the example being discussed because 16.5 brought it up to "prove" she was a liar about knowing about classified material on her server.

Perhaps someone could have picked up a phone and asked Blair. I wouldn't use that as an example, but if she truly didn't know there was classified on that server, she is extremely stupid and irresponsible, hence not to be trusted with Classified information of any sort.

 

[The Big Dog]

I'm not sure you are correct about ONLY two at the TS level as if that's not enough to convene a grand jury. In that you keep mentioning this RETROACTIVE crap just proves what I said earlier that you don't know squat about the rules for handling classified information. That is simply BS put out by her campaign to confuse and conflate the issue.

Of course, now that we know that Hillary wrote emails that were subject to classification under the 2009 Executive Order the whole "retroactive" spin created by the campaign totally evaporates, unless the claim is that Hillary did not lie, she was just incompetent.

Why not both?

 

[The Big Dog]

In all the 87 email threads examined by Reuters, the State Department has blanked out the confidential information in the public copies, adding the classification code "1.4(B)", denoting foreign government information.

This is the only kind of information that presidential executive orders say is "presumed" to likely harm national security if wrongly disclosed. State Department regulations describe it as the "most important category of national security information" its officials encounter.

"Here's my personal email," Hillary Clinton wrote to U.S. special envoy George Mitchell on a summer Sunday in 2010 as he telephoned one European official after another in an effort to keep peace talks between the Israelis and the Palestinians on track.

"Pls use this for reply,"

Remember when Hillary got up in front of the press at the UN and mumbled something about "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material."

 

[WildCat]

You didn't read the linked article, did you?

I did, and it was exactly as I described, they used the phrase "target of the investigation". You're interpreting that as "subject of the investigation", which is your own spin and not at all what the FBI said or meant.