Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[christianahannah]

I agree, that likely it was good old fashioned police work which eventually had identified Guede as their suspect.

After all, based upon finding African hairs in Meredith's bedroom, there weren't that many sub-Saharan African men in Perugia, so once DNA had cleared Lumumba, that put the focus onto the African guy (Guede) who had visited the boys downstairs on an occasion or two.

I doubt if Guede's immigration paperwork had his palm-print. Fingerprints, yes, but not likely a palm-print, and I doubt if the bloody palm-print left on Meredith's pillow was very clear.

The Italians likely didn't have a CODIS type of DNA database back in 2007.

Since the boys downstairs obviously didn't know Guede's actual name, only that he often played basketball at the nearby court, that could have been their main lead.

The police may have found several photographs of African immigrants in their immigration database, and perhaps they had a picture of Guede in there? Or, perhaps they had a clear picture of Guede's face taken the night of the murder on the garage's CCTV system?

With pictures of possible African suspects in hand, the police could have then gone to the basketball courts and found someone there who knew Guede's name? Even without suspect pictures, the police could have merely asked people at the court if they knew an African guy who played there, and got lucky?

If Guede did have a police record as that UK article had reported, then that may have helped. Even if Guede didn't have an actual police record, it appears that many police officers were aware of Guede. Once it became clear they were looking for an African suspect, perhaps an officer who had dealt with Guede in the past mentioned Guede to the investigators?

One way or the other, once they had Guede's name, they went to Guede's apartment and used his toothbrush to obtain his DNA sample, and BINGO, they had their match.

While it's all conjecture how they eventually found out Guede's actual name, I seriously doubt if Guede's palm-print was on file in his immigration papers.

BTW - as for using DNA to clear Lumumba (and later they used to match with Guede), what DNA sample found in Meredith's room were they using for that? Touch DNA on Meredith's bra or purse?

Touch DNA is generally LCN-DNA, and back in 2007 Stefanoni's lab didn't even seem to have the right equipment necessary for doing that.

Likely, the perp's DNA they found at the crime scene was either from the semen sample, or the vaginal swab, or from some of the blood that had surely dripped from Guede's cut fingers.

I.e., in Meredith's bedroom they obviously had found an ample sample of the perp's DNA that normal DNA testing could be used to identify as belonging to Guede (and to exclude Raffaele and Lumumba).

I think many items with Rudy's DNA had results from using the Y-haplotype test. I don't think this test included the feces and maybe one other item (?). The results of the vaginal swab, the bra, and maybe the jacket sleeve and purse were done using the Y-haplotype method of testing. I may have some of these items mixed up as to what test was done but a goodly number of items with Rudy's DNA were Y tested.

 

[Ken Dine]

Who goes to get an ID Card and has to leave a palm print on file?
Why not just fingerprints?
Hmmmm...


Hiya Ken Dine,
I have not read these yet,
but a few years back,
RoseMontague, Metho's, Dan O. and others
really dug into the Rudy Guede palm print issue.
I've never seen this discussion.

Have a look here on The ISF:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163730&page=10
The photo's of The Palm Print that RoseMontague posted are intriguing.


Methos even linked 2 pdf's
containing Court testimony on this,
it looks to be an interesting read!

Open it or download + save and have a read.
I surely will too, later...
RW


1) - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8500548&postcount=555

2) - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8500551&postcount=556

Thanks for posting that. It appears that I'm not the first one to question the supposed palm-print found on Meredith's pillow as being the link to the police identifying Guede.

Why lie about how they had identified Guede?

Perhaps, the prosecution didn't want to admit to finding the African hairs at the crime scene (which would explain why the police had badgered Amanda into identifying Lumumba), and if the local cops had suggested Guede after the DNA had cleared Lumumba, then perhaps they didn't want to admit that their local cops were already well aware of Guede?

Perhaps, they wanted to cover up that Guede had been arrested several times and then released without charges prior to the murder.

 

[Ken Dine]

I think many items with Rudy's DNA had results from using the Y-haplotype test. I don't think this test included the feces and maybe one other item (?).

Since we have an actual DNA expert posting here now (Tom), I may be wrong, but testing for the presence of a Y-chromosome is done to see if a man's DNA is present, but the Y test isn't necessarily done to conclusively prove which man had left the DNA sample.

Meredith's vaginal swab could have been tested for the presence of a Y-chromosome, but standard DNA testing was surely also used. Only in desperation did Stefanoni begin to use her contrived and unscientific LCN-DNA testing on Raffaele's kitchen knife and on the bra-clasp.

The results of the vaginal swab, the bra, and maybe the jacket sleeve and purse were done using the Y-haplotype method of testing. I may have some of these items mixed up as to what test was done but a goodly number of items with Rudy's DNA were Y tested.

They AMAZINGLY didn't collect Meredith's jacket until 46 days later when they collected the bra-clasp, and by that time (December) they already had Guede fingered. I suspect that Meredith's purse had some of Guede's blood on it from his cut fingers?

You can't test fecal matter for DNA since bacteria destroys DNA. They claimed to have tested toilet paper and found Guede's DNA on that, but not sure if that was touch LCN-DNA, which seems doubtful?

I've also read that the police found traces of blood on some toilet paper, so there again that may have been Guede's blood with sufficient DNA present?

 

[Ken Dine]

I'd like to add this one
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2007-Nov-16-Scientific-police-report-fingerprints-Guede.pdf

Hi,

That's interesting, since the one document is dated 2005 and it does have a sample of Guede's palm-print. Since I don't read Italian, is that 2005 document a standard immigration document, or was it generated as the result of an arrest in 2005?

In any event, the 'Conclusion' that the palm-print they found matches Guede's 2005 print, that was dated Nov 16 2007, which is after they had already fingered Guede, likely by using other means since the palm-print in those documents was of such poor quality that surely the palm-pring found at the crime scene couldn't have been used to identify Guede, only to later perhaps prove he was at the crime scene.

 

[christianahannah]

Since we have an actual DNA expert posting here now (Tom), I may be wrong, but testing for the presence of a Y-chromosome is done to see if a man's DNA is present, but the Y test isn't necessarily done to conclusively prove which man had left the DNA sample.

This is true but not just any man though the results would be less specific to point to only to Rudy (though it would be a good start).

Meredith's vaginal swab could have been tested for the presence of a Y-chromosome, but standard DNA testing was surely also used. Only in desperation did Stefanoni begin to use her contrived and unscientific LCN-DNA testing on Raffaele's kitchen knife and on the bra-clasp.

I'm pretty sure it was (the vaginal swab results from the Y test) but I can't say for certain not looking at the results at the present. Many sexual assault perpetrators are identified using this test because the male DNA can be masked by the female DNA (not scientific jargon but then again I am not a scientist).

They AMAZINGLY didn't collect Meredith's jacket until 46 days later when they collected the bra-clasp, and by that time (December) they already had Guede fingered. I suspect that Meredith's purse had some of Guede's blood on it from his cut fingers?

They still tested the jacket and got a result for Rudy. I think the bra clasp was tested using the Y test. As for the purse it could be blood or skin cells but I don't think there is a way of knowing for certain as it was mixed with Meredith's blood (and again, I say this tentatively not having the results before me - memory isn't always an accurate source).

You can't test fecal matter for DNA since bacteria destroys DNA. They claimed to have tested toilet paper and found Guede's DNA on that, but not sure if that was touch LCN-DNA, which seems doubtful?

I've also read that the police found traces of blood on some toilet paper, so there again that may have been Guede's blood with sufficient DNA present?

You are correct about the toilet paper and Rudy's DNA and that is what I meant. I hadn't read about blood on the toilet paper before. Do you remember where it was from?

 

[Grinder]

I think many items with Rudy's DNA had results from using the Y-haplotype test. I don't think this test included the feces and maybe one other item (?). The results of the vaginal swab, the bra, and maybe the jacket sleeve and purse were done using the Y-haplotype method of testing. I may have some of these items mixed up as to what test was done but a goodly number of items with Rudy's DNA were Y tested.

I believe they did regular (non LCN) DNA tests but didn't have his DNA on file as he had no record beyond the arrest in Milan. They got his DNA from a toothbrush at his flat.

IIRC it was his friend Giacomo that alerted the police.

With about 1.5% of Perugians being of African decent even if they had found "African" hairs, which I don't believe they did, it wouldn't have pointed them to Rudi.

They did find abundant DNA on the toilet paper.

 

[Grinder]

You are correct about the toilet paper and Rudy's DNA and that is what I meant. I hadn't read about blood on the toilet paper before. Do you remember where it was from?

There was a story of bloody tissue paper found outside but I don't believe anything came of it.

 

[Ken Dine]

From memory, back then the sentiment was:
- it's difficult if not impossible to get a print from a surface like the pillowcase. Well, now that we have the pictures it seems we were wrong on that point.
- the police knew who to look for because they just matched the palmprint to Guede's "file". Seems to be true, the report I linked above is dated Nov 16th, 2007...

The police may have been aware of Guede as a suspect prior to Nov 16 2007 thru methods other than comparing palm-prints? If so, comparing palm-prints would have just been confirmatory in nature.

Of course, depending on how many sub-Saharan African males were in their immigration database, if there were just a few sub-Saharan African males to check, then I suppose it may have been possible to find Guede that way?

Are you positive that those 2005 palm-prints were from immigration documents and not from an earlier arrest?

In America we are up to our ears here in dealing with many millions of documented and undocumented immigrants, and at most we just take their fingerprints, if even that. Sorting thru palm-prints just wouldn't be effective when sorting thru millions of such prints, as would be the case in America.

If the fingerprint sample is clear, then the feds can usually fairly quickly zero in on an individual's fingerprints using computer searches if it's in their database.

We should also take DNA samples of people caught crossing our borders since our CODIS DNA database can usually quickly ID people that way by likewise using computer searches, but we don't bother taking immigrants' DNA samples, and I suspect that the feds don't even bother taking their fingerprints most of the time.

Kudos to Italy for taking the bother to fully document their immigrants. Of course, not allowing their immigrants a reasonable path to citizenship can be viewed as a tad oppressive.

 

[Ken Dine]

I believe they did regular (non LCN) DNA tests but didn't have his DNA on file as he had no record beyond the arrest in Milan. They got his DNA from a toothbrush at his flat.

While the UK article I had posted may be wrong, as that article proves the police did tell the media shortly after the murder that Guede had a police record after being injured in a knife fight over drugs.

I realize that the police told many lies, but maybe that one was truthful?

IIRC it was his friend Giacomo that alerted the police.

Do you have a citation supporting your claim?

You may be correct since Giacomo certainly helped the police during the Skype call with Guede, but that still doesn’t prove Giacomo came forward with the initial info that had fingered Guede for the murder – indeed, how would Giacomo even know Guede had done it?

Perhaps, a local police officer suggested Guede to the investigators and the cop also knew Giacomo was a friend of Guede’s, and that was the genesis of the Skype call?

With about 1.5% of Perugians being of African decent even if they had found "African" hairs, which I don't believe they did, it wouldn't have pointed them to Rudi.

If as many as 1.5% of Perugians are of African decent as you claim, then that makes it even more unlikely that the police could have quickly gone thru that many immigrant records comparing all of their palm-prints to such a crummy partial palm-print found in Meredith’s bedroom.

As for your not believing they found African hairs in Meredith’s bedroom, how many times do I need to post that info before you’ll read it and change your mind?

Since the police out of the gate were immediately looking for African suspects, this case doesn’t make any sense unless they had found African hairs. The only list of crime-scene hairs I know of is found on a 'Guilter' website –– see below citation.

As with DNA, hair can be inadvertently transferred from one place to another.

That said, according to Stefanoni five (5) African hairs consistent with Guede were found in Meredith's bedroom (too many to be inadvertently transferred there), which explains why the police had focused in on an African suspect early on in this case, and since Lumumba was the only African man the police knew that Amanda had a relationship with, that explains how Lumumba's name came up in the wee hours of November 6th, 2007 –– as I had posted last June:

Hairs

(Dr. Stefanoni Genetic Test, SAL report, Dr. Stefanoni slide presentation):

1. Of the over 480 tests prepared on samples, 93 of these constituted hairs or fibers. 86 were human hairs of varying length, in varying colors. The most significant colors noted were black, blonde, chestnut, light chestnut and red chestnut.
[ ]

4. 7 hairs were black in color. 6 of these were 4 cm long or less, and so likely Guede’s hair. 4 of these were on the duvet and 1 was on the mattress cover, both in Ms. Kercher’s room. 1 was also on a sponge at Sollecito’s apartment.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Evidence_List#Hairs

They did find abundant DNA on the toilet paper.

The police likely would have only found abundant DNA on that toilet paper if it had some of Guede’s blood on it, and since Guede had clearly cut his fingers while attacking Meredith, Guede must have left some of his blood at the crime scene!

 

[Ken Dine]

There was a story of bloody tissue paper found outside but I don't believe anything came of it.

At 8:25 in this video you can see a bloody hanky the police found on the back steps (Ex #11) that was likely dropped by Guede:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kZe9WatO0

Here’s a screen-cap of the bloody hanky taken from the above video:

 

[RWVBWL]

"this phantom knife with traces of blood"

There was a story of bloody tissue paper found outside but I don't believe anything came of it.

Hi Grinder and Ken Dine,
I've been reading a bit from that post
where those 2 PDF's that Methos linked years ago,
which I posted about yesterday.

In the 1st PDF,
there is some testimony from 1 of the Crime Scene cameramen/video operators.


Cool,
I kinda like shooting surf video + surfpix also!
I'm curious as to how he worked, + what he filmed.

Did you know this dude did not adjust + change the time,
ya know, Fall Back?

Video footage at 18:20:38 was in actuality an hour earlier.


You guys might be interested in this little tidbit of discussion,
as The Massei Court seemingly watched Crime Scene video footage:
ANSWER - There are more photos on the stairs, just to the spots of blood but there are other ...

PRESIDENT - Excuse me, where they were specks of blood on the outside where?

ANSWER - The blood stains were on the outside and then we saw that ...

PRESIDENT - Outside where?

ANSWER - Outside on the right elevation, where there is a mouse, here on this square, the elevation of the apartment right below it falls down and there is little clay and gravel, and alongside there are concrete steps .On the stairs there was a small concrete. micro dots of blood which then turned out to be the cat that was cut on the glass.

DEFENCE - AVV. DALLA VEDOVA - In contrast, on-site inspections (Bulagaio) has been made?

ANSWER - (Bulagaio) where we will find phones?

QUESTION - No, (Bulagaio) I mean .. . phones were found in a villa, (Bulagaio) mean right next to the villa's garden, that cliff.

ANSWER - No, no there, there, no inspections, no inspections have been monitored but because there was nothing obvious.

QUESTION - But she has also made visits around the villa, for example, on December 18th?

ANSWER - No, I was out on 18 but I did not take part in the operation, I was an observer.

QUESTION - But there is a verbal survey where they were found ...

ANSWER - The knife in the two tissues.

QUESTION - Yes, the fazzoiettini.

ANSWER - Yes, what I did with Dr. Stefanoni and Assistant Palmieri, yes.

QUESTION - Under what criteria it was decided to do this survey in particular the 18? Because, I can also see the pictures, and not really close to.

ANSWER - There has been requested.

QUESTION - There has been requested?

ANSWER - We have indicated that there were these .. .
this phantom knife with traces of blood, we have requested it and we did.

QUESTION - With the paper towels?

ANSWER - Exactly.

* * *

Hey Grinder,
don't you find it strange that bloody tissue paper
or ya might say, paper towels were found outside,
adjacent to where Miss Kercher was knifed to death the night before?
Surely you don't think that the cat saw the tissue paper on the ground,
rubbed up against it or leaned above it and let it's blood drop there, right?



This talk in court of "this phantom knife with traces of blood",
"The knife in the two tissues".
"Yes, the fazzoiettini".

What's this all about?


Read Pages 117 +118.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8500548&postcount=555

 

[Ken Dine]

[ ]

Hey Grinder,
don't you find it strange that bloody tissue paper
or ya might say, paper towels were found outside,
adjacent to where Miss Kercher was knifed to death the night before?

Surely you don't think that the cat saw the tissue paper on the ground,
rubbed up against it or leaned above it and let it's blood drop there, right?


This talk in court of "this phantom knife with traces of blood",
"The knife in the two tissues".
"Yes, the fazzoiettini".

What's this all about?


Read Pages 117 +118.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8500548&postcount=555

What's also strange about blaming those blood drops on the back stairs and the bloody hanky on the cat, before the video camera reaches the bloody hanky (Ex #11) that the cat had used, following the blood trail up the concrete walk at 8:48 in the video when they reach Ex #7 & Ex #8, those two blood drops are on top of a low retaining wall, which was low enough that a man with a bloody hand could have inadvertently dripped his blood on top of that low retaining wall, but we're supposed to believe an injured cat walking up the walk, suddenly jumped several feet up to leave two drops on top of the wall, and then the cat jumped back down and continued over to use the bloody hanky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kZe9WatO0

Well, OK, it must be true about the cat since Italian police would never lie about something like that while testifying in court, right?

 

[Methos]

Hi,

That's interesting, since the one document is dated 2005 and it does have a sample of Guede's palm-print. Since I don't read Italian, is that 2005 document a standard immigration document, or was it generated as the result of an arrest in 2005?

[...]

I think this fingerprint registration was part of the process necessary to renew his residence permit. On page 4 of the pdf the "Motivio del segnalamento" i.e the reason for the registraion is given with the abbreviation "RN" which could stand for "rinnovo" (renewal). The ordering Office (ufficio segnalatore) is abbreviated "IMM", "Immigrazione" I guess.
It's interesting that the field labled "Pregiudizi e tecnica segnalamento" (previous registrations?) is left blank.

So I don't think that Guede had his fingerprints taken prior to 2007. If it had been because of an arrest I think there would be a case number somewhere on that document. (My 0.02 EURO)

The police may have been aware of Guede as a suspect prior to Nov 16 2007 thru methods other than comparing palm-prints? If so, comparing palm-prints would have just been confirmatory in nature.

Of course, depending on how many sub-Saharan African males were in their immigration database, if there were just a few sub-Saharan African males to check, then I suppose it may have been possible to find Guede that way?

Are you positive that those 2005 palm-prints were from immigration documents and not from an earlier arrest?

[...]

I think so. See the witness statement of Stefano Bonassi, in the translation it reads:

A: The people who frequented our house was [sic] Peppe, a fellow student at the same department as Marco. Peppe, who must be from the south, very sturdy, about 186 centimeters tall.
This person often visited our place. Also, another young man visited our place, nicknamed “the baron,” shorter than myself, whose name I do not remember, of South African origin.
A: One evening, I found the latter person at my place as soon as I came back; he was with my friends. That time, the fellow was really drunk and actually fell asleep on the toilet bowl.
A: That young man was physically attracted to Amanda.
A: Peppe certainly knew Meredith but I’m not sure if the South African guy did.
A: Another young man who came to our place once is a tall, lean youn
g man wearing tennis shoes and baggy pants, nicknamed Body Roga.
A: The tennis shoes often worn by the young man are large, of a large size; I don’t know the brand.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

OK. I realize they have a backlog. Maybe we can help. Perhaps we can draft the motivation report for them.

This might be a good plan.

 

[Bill Williams]

OK. I realize they have a backlog. Maybe we can help. Perhaps we can draft the motivation report for them.

The rumour is that Anglolawyer has been commissioned by the Seattle PR Machine to write the report - but his suspension here has to be lifted first. Apparently AL and Marasca went to law school together....

 

[Strozzi]

Thanks for posting that. It appears that I'm not the first one to question the supposed palm-print found on Meredith's pillow as being the link to the police identifying Guede.

Why lie about how they had identified Guede?

Perhaps, the prosecution didn't want to admit to finding the African hairs at the crime scene (which would explain why the police had badgered Amanda into identifying Lumumba), and if the local cops had suggested Guede after the DNA had cleared Lumumba, then perhaps they didn't want to admit that their local cops were already well aware of Guede?

Perhaps, they wanted to cover up that Guede had been arrested several times and then released without charges prior to the murder.

The police had several potential pieces if information within the first few days of their investigation that could have caused them to think that a black man might ave been involved. Wanting to know who it is, the police could have identified that person as Rudi based on what the guys downstairs knew about him (age, build, basketball, partial name, nickname, etc.)

• The police had the report from the couple who were descending the staircase from the nearby plaza that a black man hurrying up the stairs almost collided with them at about 10:30 pm.
• The guys downstairs mentioned Rudy to the police, although the guys downstairs did not necessarily know his complete or true name. Giacomo spoke about Rudi on the toilet (hello, detectives !!!)
• Parking lot cameras may have shown a black man walking in the cameras's field of view the evening of the murder.

 

[Vixen]

The police had several potential pieces if information within the first few days of their investigation that could have caused them to think that a black man might ave been involved. Wanting to know who it is, the police could have identified that person as Rudi based on what the guys downstairs knew about him (age, build, basketball, partial name, nickname, etc.)

• The police had the report from the couple who were descending the staircase from the nearby plaza that a black man hurrying up the stairs almost collided with them at about 10:30 pm.
• The guys downstairs mentioned Rudy to the police, although the guys downstairs did not necessarily know his complete or true name. Giacomo spoke about Rudi on the toilet (hello, detectives !!!)
• Parking lot cameras may have shown a black man walking in the cameras's field of view the evening of the murder.

Italian police keep a database of non-national residents' fingerprints which was how they managed to identify fingerprints found at the scene with Rudy's. They crossed matched the DNA with that found on his toothbrush, whilst he was on the lam.

Italy have had biometric ID Cards and passports since 2006.

Britain ran a pilot scheme but dropped it.

Most of the supposed short hairs found at the scene turned out to be fibres.

The witness who said a black guy ran into her said it was not Rudy.

 

[RWVBWL]

Hiya Vixen!
Did ya also have to give up the palm print too?

When I got my Finnish passport and ID card (optional) I went to my local police station in my region and gave my index finger fingerprint (the biometric part embedded in the documents).

 

[RWVBWL]

Most of the supposed short hairs found at the scene turned out to be fibres.

And before that the fibres were thought to indeed be from a black dude,
hence what color was the dude that the were cops lookin' for, Vixen?

 

[RWVBWL]

From Methos,
you'll find, if you read in his 1st linked PDF
some interesting conversation + testimony at The Massei Trial from 1 of the Crime Scene cameramen
as The Court apparently watches the Crime Scene video footage:

ANSWER - 23.05 exactly, it says here, but 3 is still on day 2.This is the biologist, the doctor who is going to repertazione; what you see is a light. . , A machine that has the particular lights of different wavelengths and frequencies of each type of wave frequency detects a certain type of biological specimen, such as semen, blood, saliva etc. etc. ..Clearly the movie while I was there photographing people

QUESTION - Who is this woman's voice?

ANSWER - The female voice is Dr. Stefanoni,
the man is my colleague Chief Inspector (Sabatolli) again from the ERT team of biology.

<snip>

PRESIDENT - You can also turn off other lights.

ANSWER - Here the doctor asked the lamp, as I said before, the. . ,
With the various lights for both the reliefs that other biological evidence on the body of the victim.
So then here we have used ...this is the ultraviolet light.
These are the different frequencies of light, of course, to different tracks ...

PROSECUTOR - DR COMODI - The blue what it finds?

ANSWER - Ultraviolet highlights any biological traces, blood, semen, saliva.

* * *

From Barbie Latza Nadeaqu's book "Angel Face"
The True Story of Student Killer Amanda Knox.
Page 48:
On a pillow that had been shoved under Meredith's hips,
police found a bloody shoeprint and 2 spots that might have been dried semen.
Testing for 1 would compromise the other, Stefanoni believed,
so she would later have to decide which was potentially more important to the case.
Concluding that the droplets seemed old and were probably those of Meredith's new luver, Giacomo,
Stefanoni decided to focus on the bloody footprint.
<snip>

* * *

Why the heck does Dr. Stefanoni get to decide what is more important to the case?
I thought that was PM Mig'i's job...

With that said though,
What was the date that Dr. Stefanoni decided to test the bloody footprint,
(err, Barbie Nadeau, I seem to recall that it was a few bloody shoe imprints, ok!?!)
instead of the old, dried semen?
Errr, ah, isn't that seminal fluid.
Errr, ah, make that presumed seminal fluid.

It was by this time,
waaaay before the defense even knew of it's existance,
that the prosecution and Doctor Patrizia Stefanoni knew of dried semen
found below + between Miss Meredith Kercher's naked genitalia on her pillow.

To me,
it appears that the good folks who investigated miss Kercher's horrible rape + murder
seem to have decided to keep this information secret from the defense!!!
Ya know, let's see if their specialists can find what we found...


Rudy Guede
err, Giacomo,
Meredith's luver of only some 10 days,
sure knew where to orgasim,
right?
My 2¢,
RW