Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[carbonjam72]

IIRC John Douglas said the covering of the body was indicative of nothing. At trial is was simply another of the pseudo-evidence simply put out there by Mignini.

Apparently, Judge Massei is silent on the subject, even in convicting the pair in 2009. Still guilters seem to reserve the right to dredge up this factoid, regardless of whether or not any of the courts found it as anything ore that Mignini's gas-bagging.

I thought John Douglas said it indicated regret, which is something I agree with. I think Rudy acted on impulse when he was in his fugue-like criminal state after the break-in and came across the defenseless woman by herself while he was armed with a knife. And when it was all over he realized the gravity of his actions, and putting the blanket over her was his infantile attempt to sweep his actions under the rug.

On the other hand a couple of psychopath thrill killers would have no reason to cover up the very sex crime they were trying to stage.

Without getting in to it too much (!) it has been a long time since I have read anything by Douglas. Maybe the way to put it (again if I at all remember correctly) is that by itself, covering the body means nothing. For Douglas's purposes as a "profiler" he uses his own findings (in polling actual killers as to what they actually did) to help narrow a field of potential suspects, esp. when the investigation appears like it is stalling. That's the whole point of profiling, by not wasting time on what real-perps never report as their habit.

It does not mean that in the one case in front of them, it could not be. Again, what it means is to narrow a field of suspects. If Douglas had been consulted in the investigation of this case, he would have said, "Look for a first time, opportunistic perp, not someone with experience." Douglas might have even guessed that the murder was because of something like a robbery gone wrong.

Perhaps back to the issue at hand. John Douglas has reason to suggest what he suggests - actual interviews with actual perps. Mignini just makes it up as per his dietrological fantasy.

I agree the blanket isn't a piece of evidence nor useful in solving the crime. But if it's consistent with either of the two proposed scenarios it's the one that actually happened, the one with Guede killing after his break-in.

Oh Bill, Faffle, faffle.

IIRC, Douglas mentioned this in his chapter in the book, Rudy Guede, The Forgotten Killer.

Also, I believe it is common to police literature, and known to be a symptom of a novice murderer, almost always male.

The police meme that its indicative of a female mindset is pure invention.

Now I may be wrong. But do you really want to bet?

 

[Kauffer]

That was not deemed by the courts, the pathologist, the luminol and DNA experts, so, no, not "given".

Sure it's a given. There's no evidence of anyone else in the room except the fake stuff you've made up over the last few months citing old erroneous news reports and stupid prosecution claims.

 

[Bill Williams]

Oh Bill, Faffle, faffle.

IIRC, Douglas mentioned this in his chapter in the book, Rudy Guede, The Forgotten Killer.

Also, I believe it is common to police literature, and known to be a symptom of a novice murderer, almost always male.

The police meme that its indicative of a female mindset is pure invention.

Now I may be wrong. But do you really want to bet?

You want me to bet, knowing my record? Of course you do!

The "indicative of a female mindset" is not totally police invention. The point is that there is nothing else at the scene that is particularly indicative of a female being involved in the horrid murder; so why would the police/Mignini think this up completely in isolation?

As per Douglas's comment (which I now remember clearly, because you've quoted it!!) please remember - Douglas's profiling work is mainly before-the-fact stuff, to help police who are otherwise stalled with unknown subjects.

Related to after-the-fact-stuff, once we know that Guede, and Guede alone did this; and probably did it as a murder of opportunity.....

..... then and only then does one look at the positioning of the duvet. It's a matter of this - it doesn't prove Guede did it, but it is fully consistent with Guede doing it as a lone perp as you say.

 

[Bill Williams]

Oh Bill, Faffle, faffle.

Faffle:

1. To stammer.
2. attractive chortle confused confussed faffal faffel fafle falaffle fallaffle felaffle fricken friggen fuffeling fuffle i love you love nice pace women
3. हकलाना
4. From "faffing" which means to aimlessly waste time doing useless tasks
5. as in, "The early boarders certainly bag their seats quickly, but then they immediately relax and happily faff about putting their things in the overhead locker, generally getting in the way of the other passengers."
6. As when a person blows chaff away from corn held in his hands, or the wind when it causes brief puffs of smoke to return down the chimney

 

[RWVBWL]

The RGEO

<snip>
Also looked at the knife cut photo montage at amandaknoxcase.com and wondered who would ever hold a knife as shown. It is upside down. Either it would be gripped for a puncture wound with the hand wrapped around the handle or a slashing/wave cut - in neither case would the cuts result where they found them.

Hiya Grinder,
This,
the RGEO,
(reverse grip edge out)

is apparently a common way
that people fight with a knife:
http://www.jayfisher.com/Knife_Grip_Styles_Hand_Sizing.htm

I'll quote from here,
as the dude sounds like he knows his knives:

There is no proper or correct way to hold a knife. The human hand has amazing ability to accommodate a wide variety of positions and holds, and since every person is different, many grip techniques are used.

I know that you'll disagree,
so feel free to link a few of the youtube videos that I mighta already watched.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

You should all Google the name Phil Connors. You are all currently suffering his affliction.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

No worries. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find a forum where they are still debating the Lincoln assassination. If only he had worn the bullet proof hat.

 

[Grinder]

Rudy knew exactly where the semen was. And he also knew that the story would have been too ridiculous to be believed.

So you think he put it there just to make himself look as bad as possible?

When did ridiculous stories stop Rudi?

"I ate a bad kebob or kebab and had to take a **** and put ipod tunes on and I heard the door bell and then Meredith screaming and went to fight a blond Italian guy and we insulted each other. I tried to save Meredith and she said AF"

You're right THAT wasn't ridiculous.

Once again he could claim that he came and that the murderers when staging the scene moved the pillow under her or even that he had done it in trying to save her.

 

[Grinder]

Hiya Grinder,
This,
the RGEO,
(reverse grip edge out)
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=480&pictureid=10039[/qimg]
is apparently a common way
that people fight with a knife:
http://www.jayfisher.com/Knife_Grip_Styles_Hand_Sizing.htm

I'll quote from here,
as the dude sounds like he knows his knives:



I know that you'll disagree,
so feel free to link a few of the youtube videos that I mighta already watched.

So you think this looks like the picture of "rudi" holding the knife?

 

[bagels]

Too bad semen doesn't contain any DNA or we could solve this mystery really easily.

 

[Zephyrgeist]

I agree whole-heartedly with the person calling itself Vixen.

• Amanda Knox is 100% innocent
• Raffaele Solecito is 100% innocent

• Rudy Goo-day is 100% guilty

Case closed. Thank you Vixen

 

[Vixen]

Used a towel? I wonder if this is why he decided to cover the the upper portion of her body with the duvet? Now I gotta ask. When the police examined the duvet, did they examine both sides or just one side? - just as they only checked one side of the bedroom door for evidence since only one side faced the crime scene.

I never bought the prosecution's interpretation that covering the victim was a sign of remorse or respect and thus indicated a female killer. I always thought the duvet was used to cover the victim's upper body so Rudi could pursue sexual activity without having to look at the gore he created or the face staring back at him. Perhaps it aso muffled last gasps or aspirations.

What motivated Rudy to scatter random bits of paper over the duvet?

One random postcard on the floor of Filomena's room had Amanda's footprint on it. Make of that what you will. <fx sits back to await contrived convoluted explanation #umpty-9>

 

[Vixen]

Sure it's a given. There's no evidence of anyone else in the room except the fake stuff you've made up over the last few months citing old erroneous news reports and stupid prosecution claims.

Copying and pasting your replies so that one response "fits all" might work on a forum.

In a court of law, evidence has to be tested.

In the real world (wake up Mr Tesla!) it was given - as in the scientific meaning of the word - there were at least three perpetrators QED::

Of course in La-la land, anything goes!

(ETA Soz, Kauffer, not AC.)

 

[bagels]

One random postcard on the floor of Filomena's room had Amanda's footprint on it. Make of that what you will. <fx sits back to await contrived convoluted explanation #umpty-9>

What happened was Filomena was sending a postcard to her mom and Amanda asked to see it because she liked the picture but she accidentally dropped it and then stepped on it and then before Filomena could brush the footprint off Meredith came storming in steaming mad about the state of the bathroom so Filomena went off to her room while the two English speakers had another one of their usual rows and in the commotion Filomena forgot about it until Guede accidentally knocked it onto the floor while looking for places to leave this concoction he created that would test positive to luminol and Amanda's DNA.

 

[carbonjam72]

You should all Google the name Phil Connors. You are all currently suffering his affliction.

Didn't 'Phil Connors' finally get it right in the end (of 'Groundhog's Day'), after having worked out all his mistakes?

Side note: Think I met the author in a Cosci's on the upper west side (nyc) a few years ago. He wanted to take a 'zabars special', (pre-wrapped Nova on a bagel, with coffee and OJ for $5.95), on a plane ride to LA. I didn't know of his connection to the film at the time, just started talking. Kind of looks like a buddha, if you can believe it.

 

[Kauffer]

Copying and pasting your replies so that one response "fits all" might work on a forum.

In a court of law, evidence has to be tested.
In the real world (wake up Mr Tesla!) it was given - as in the scientific meaning of the word - there were at least three perpetrators QED::

Of course in La-la land, anything goes!

(ETA Soz, Kauffer, not AC.)

Well, if they actually produced some evidence, then it could have been tested. But they concealed it instead. This means that it must have been of an exonerating character.

I guess the 5th section like Hellmann picked up on the absence of any real evidence.

 

[RWVBWL]

So you think this looks like the picture of "rudi" holding the knife?

Similar grip,
but not quite right Grinder.

Your knife example has tooo long of a blade on it.
The wound was 8 cm deep, right?
That's 3+5/32" deep for us in the U.S.

My Leatherman Wave,
a great tool for a dude to carry all the time:
http://www.rei.com/product/715771/leatherman-new-wave-multi-tool
has a blade of 2.9 inches or 7.37 cm long.

So it's just a little shorter than the blade size that Rudy used to silence, stab Meredith.
And it slipped, cut him. The blade he had used was probably double sided, unlike my Leatherman.

Since you took the time to copy, paste, save and upload that image
from Jay Fisher's site, (gnarly knife maker, by the way) to share with us, please allow me to do so also, ok?


I believe that "poor Rudy" held his knife like I just did:

+

 

[Grinder]

Similar grip,
but not quite right Grinder.

Well it wasn't MY picture it was the one you referred to in the link, RGEO, which was under the category of unusual grips.

The one in your link had the big hilt for a reason.

ETA - it looks to me as if your palm would be cut if it slipped.

 

[Vixen]

What happened was Filomena was sending a postcard to her mom and Amanda asked to see it because she liked the picture but she accidentally dropped it and then stepped on it and then before Filomena could brush the footprint off Meredith came storming in steaming mad about the state of the bathroom so Filomena went off to her room while the two English speakers had another one of their usual rows and in the commotion Filomena forgot about it until Guede accidentally knocked it onto the floor while looking for places to leave this concoction he created that would test positive to luminol and Amanda's DNA.

I see you are a master. Any donkey you meet is likely to be without its nether quarters.

 

[Ken Dine]

Similar grip,
but not quite right Grinder.

Your knife example has tooo long of a blade on it.
The wound was 8 cm deep, right?
That's 3+5/32" deep for us in the U.S.

My Leatherman Wave,
a great tool for a dude to carry all the time:
http://www.rei.com/product/715771/leatherman-new-wave-multi-tool
has a blade of 2.9 inches or 7.37 cm long.

So it's just a little shorter than the blade size that Rudy used to silence, stab Meredith.
And it slipped, cut him. The blade he had used was probably double sided, unlike my Leatherman.

Since you took the time to copy, paste, save and upload that image
from Jay Fisher's site, (gnarly knife maker, by the way) to share with us, please allow me to do so also, ok?


I believe that "poor Rudy" held his knife like I just did:

+

I disagree. Since Guede had stabbed Meredith UPWARDS into the bottom of her jaw, Guede was surely holding his knife with his thumb pointed towards the knife's tip. Likely, Guede attacked Meredith from behind ...maybe, she was running towards her phone on the bed when he caught up to her?

Of course, there could be other scenarios, but in any scenario Guede couldn't hold the knife as you depict (thumb up away from tip) and make an upwards stab into Meredith's lower jaw area.