Was Captain Kirk A Republican?

[Ziggurat]

It's a well-known fact that dogs are anarcho-libertarians.

You're thinking of cats. Dogs are natural monarchists.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

The binary oppositional politics of today make zero sense within the context of the federation. Whatever binary opposition issues prevalent in the federation would make no sense to us.

Kirk is no more a Republican or Democrat than my dog.

Dogs are socialists. Cats are libertarians.

 

[theprestige]

You're thinking of cats. Dogs are natural monarchists.

Hrm. Fair enough, about dogs.

Cats are totalitarian despots, though. Which is to say, cats are progressives.

 

[mgidm86]

Indeed!

After all, just look at the very famous, and very sexless, President Nixon did as an example of a celibate Republican presidency.

I see your very weak alleged Nixon sex scandal and raise you three Bill Clintons (Flowers, Jones, Lewinski). I have a JFK up my sleeve too.

I tried doing a search for a score sheet on sex scandals but I can't find anything worthy of quoting so I guess I'll just leave it at that and move to the next thread

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Hrm. Fair enough, about dogs.

Cats are totalitarian despots, though. Which is to say, cats are progressives.

This post suggests you lack proper understanding of either of those terms, but don't care if it gives you an opportunity for flinging opinionated snark.

 

[Ziggurat]

This post suggests you lack proper understanding of either of those terms, but don't care if it gives you an opportunity for flinging opinionated snark.

This post suggests you lack proper understanding of the purpose of these threads.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

On reflection, I think you're right, but we should extend the statement to include the entire internet.

#myignoranceisimportant

 

[Ziggurat]

On reflection, I think you're right, but we should extend the statement to include the entire internet.

#myignoranceisimportant

Well, not the entire internet.

 

[theprestige]

This post suggests you lack proper understanding of either of those terms, but don't care if it gives you an opportunity for flinging opinionated snark.

Oh my god. You're actually taking this thread seriously, aren't you? Please accept my sincere condolences. I hope you make a full recovery soon!

 

[ZiprHead]

Kirk couldn't keep his pants on around alien females - he tried to screw everything that moved. Definitely a democrat.

Hey, those green chicks were HAWT!

 

[ZiprHead]

Roles*

Anyway, here's what Shatner said:

Star Trek wasn't political. I'm not political; I can't even vote in the US. So to put a geocentric label on interstellar characters is silly​

Did he say it like this?: "So to put a... geocentric... label on interstellar characters... is silly."

 

[Ladewig]

Some members are trying to sabataage this this thread.

 

[Noztradamus]

[OT] There's a comment in one of John Sandford's novels comparing Republican/Democrat scandals; the former are mainly sexual, the latter financial.

Republicans are about people, Democrats are about money

 

[fuelair]

Republicans are about people, Democrats are about money

I am certain you have those completely reversed. republickers clearly could not care less about at least 90% of the American people. And most if not all of us on these threads are in that 90%.

 

[The Big Dog]

Did he say it like this?: "So to put a... geocentric... label on interstellar characters... is silly."

So to put a...GEO....centriclabelonon... In.ter.STELL.ar characters ...is .....silly.

 

[catsmate]

Republicans are about people, Democrats are about money

More Republicans are repressed, Democrats are broke.

 

[Seismosaurus]

Also, since the TOS Federation is clearly a post-scarcity, post-money society

Um, no, it really isn't.

 

[Ziggurat]

Also, since the TOS Federation is clearly a post-scarcity, post-money society

Um, no, it really isn't.

Star Trek is incoherent on this point. At times characters have claimed it's post-scarcity, post-money. But they never give any real details, so it's very much a Deus Ex Machina sort of appeal whenever it's made. And the idea frequently gets abandoned for narrative purposes, because frankly you can't make interesting stories about post-scarcity, but it's easy to make interesting stories out of scarcity of one sort or another.

The take-home message is that Star Trek just doesn't want to address economics. Which is fine, a TV show doesn't need to be about everything, but they should abandon the post-scarcity pretense completely.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Oh my god. You're actually taking this thread seriously, aren't you? Please accept my sincere condolences. I hope you make a full recovery soon!

I take every thread seriously. Being Right On The Internet is serious business. I even take Cain and scrut seriously.

 

[Seismosaurus]

Star Trek is incoherent on this point. At times characters have claimed it's post-scarcity, post-money. But they never give any real details, so it's very much a Deus Ex Machina sort of appeal whenever it's made.

Star Trek The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine (to a lesser extent), Voyager and Enterprise are incoherent on this point. The Original Series was most certainly not; there is not one word of it that states or even implies that they are a post-scarcity, post-money society. And plenty of examples to the contrary - I can cite you several, if you like.

Gene didn't conceive the whole "no money" thing until The Next Generation, and after that writers tended to remind us of it sporadically, whilst forgetting it in-between. But no such silliness infected TOS.

And the idea frequently gets abandoned for narrative purposes, because frankly you can't make interesting stories about post-scarcity

You might want to check out the Culture novels by Iain M. Banks. The Culture really is a post-scarcity, post-money society, and the books about it are pretty interesting.