Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Dopre]

I can understand your frustration, Dopre, but it's not as if there is much else to discuss - apart from speculating as to why the overdue motivations report isn't forthcoming. And if we spend too much time talking about how annoying Vixen is, then we'll be warned by the mods for being off-topic.

And Vixen actually prompts people to provide useful information - for example, I wasn't aware of why it was that C&V didn't initially test 36i until someone outlined that -
a) they were tasked with reviewing Stefanoni's work rather than performing additional testing;
b) the sample turned out to be LCN and they weren't equipped to test it.

So there is useful discussion coming out of the Vixen exchanges.

I see your point Antony.
Ugh.

I do hold out hope the mods will step in at some point. Vixen's comments are often offensive and nonproductive. There is a lot of anti-American bigotry laced into what she says. I think her viewpoints regarding this are intolerable. Vixen needs to be put on a short leash IMO.

 

[Vixen]

So? They are reporting Rudy as their source for that. What you are saying is that if Rudy makes a statement that is potentially incriminating to our protagonists, it is the truth. But, if it is exculpatory and is exonerate it must be a lie?

Let's start with the fact that this is another lie. This has been proven with the phone records to you over and over and over.


I do, but Amanda had no reason to feel lonesome since she was with her new boyfriend.
The EVIDENCE, not the raving imagination of the guilters point to Amanda being well adjusted and socially mature.

Your idea that she felt slighted and that resulted in a homicidal plot that involved 2 young men that she barely knew is both stupid and a wild fantasy.

This is the same sort of faulty reasoning as, "My dad is bigger than your dad".

Raff preferred to study than take Amanda out.

 

[Bill Williams]

This is the same sort of faulty reasoning as, "My dad is bigger than your dad".

Raff preferred to study than take Amanda out.

This is the fourth post today with what amounts to a random lie. Otherwise it would have a citation attached to it.

 

[Grinder]

This is the same sort of faulty reasoning as, "My dad is bigger than your dad".

Raff preferred to study than take Amanda out.

Perhaps you could make this more interesting by telling us a little bit of theory of how the crime occurred.

Btw no shoe matching the small partial print on the pillow was ever identified and certainly no one remembered Amanda having a missing pair. Though they would have had some time between the before 10 pm murder until the noonish call to Filomena where and how would they have been able to dispose of all the tainted stuff? I thought you said they bleached the shoes or did they just bleach clean Raf's and disposed of Amanda's?

Meredith must have been really pissed and felt all alone when her Italian boyfriend didn't take her to his family on the holiday but left all alone in a cottage in a bad part of town.

 

[Ken Dine]

Take it up with David Marriott. He's the one directing the PR campaign!

After his partner died, David Marriott folded up his business over a year ago and he went to work for another firm, so he hasn't been involved with Amanda's case for quite awhile now.

Going into this final March 27th decision, I think Raffaele's family was doing all the heavy PR lifting, probably, because Raffaele had more to lose by another bad decision.

 

[acbytesla]

This is the same sort of faulty reasoning as, "My dad is bigger than your dad".

No its not. It's pointing out that others quouting from court records that your "claim" that Meredith was ignoring Amanda is blatantly false. PERIOD.

Raff preferred to study than take Amanda out.

That evening. Overall, he was thrilled to have Amanda in his life.

Your post imagines that a 20 year old successful university student was so upset over this imagined alienation from Meredith that together with a guy you are now suggesting didn't want to be with Amanda plotted to kill Meredith with another guy that she had barely spoken a sentence with and whom Raffaele had never met.

Do you have any idea just how illogical this sounds? Would a Mensa member choose not to use logic?

 

[Samzilla]

No its not. It's pointing out that others quouting from court records that your "claim" that Meredith was ignoring Amanda is blatantly false. PERIOD.

That evening. Overall, he was thrilled to have Amanda in his life.

Your post imagines that a 20 year old successful university student was so upset over this imagined alienation from Meredith that together with a guy you are now suggesting didn't want to be with Amanda plotted to kill Meredith with another guy that she had barely spoken a sentence with and whom Raffaele had never met.

Do you have any idea just how illogical this sounds? Would a Mensa member choose not to use logic?

I presume Vixen will answer back with an explanation like this:

To Raffaele, studying was greater than hanging out with Amanda under normal pretenses (eg. watching movies, smoking pot, etc.).

However, hanging out with Amanda if it meant he got to act out Vixen's theorized "Blood: The Last Vampire" murder fantasy, is greater than studying.

 

[acbytesla]

I presume Vixen will answer back with an explanation like this:

To Raffaele, studying was greater than hanging out with Amanda under normal pretenses (eg. watching movies, smoking pot, etc.).

However, hanging out with Amanda if it meant he got to act out Vixen's theorized "Blood: The Last Vampire" murder fantasy, is greater than studying.

Vixen will basically say it doesn't have to make sense or be logical.

She'll compare Amanda and Raffaele to Joanna Denney and Gary Strech. But they don't compare to Amanda and Raffaele. Amanda and Raffaele both come from loving families, both had highly successful scholastic backgrounds. Joanna Dennehy was estranged from her family and left home when she was 15. She was crazy and bragged to everyone about her killings. Gary Stretch was a 7 foot 3 inch dropout and career burglar.

Nobody but Vixen would compare them to each other but a guilter like Vixen. What can you say?

 

[Bill Williams]

After his partner died, David Marriott folded up his business over a year ago and he went to work for another firm, so he hasn't been involved with Amanda's case for quite awhile now.

Going into this final March 27th decision, I think Raffaele's family was doing all the heavy PR lifting, probably, because Raffaele had more to lose by another bad decision.

Is this why the cheques have not arrived?

 

[Kauffer]

It has been consistently reported by several.

Why do you think Mez pointedly ignored Amanda's desperate text messages at Halloween.

"Do you know how it feels to be lonesome?" ~ Gram Parsons

You are recycling falsehoods again. We showed you the actual messages exchanged between Amanda and Kercher. Why can't you understand them?

 

[Matthew Best]

I'm starting to think that Mensa should maybe get an expensive PR person as they are being made to look like the refuge of imbeciles at the moment.

 

[zotz]

This is the same sort of faulty reasoning as, "My dad is bigger than your dad".

Raff preferred to study than take Amanda out.

Grinder makes a good point. Amanda's boyfriend was more interested in her than Meredith's boyfriend was interested in her. Giacomo sometimes ignored Meredith when she saw him in the street. He saw Meredith as a casual fling, not as a serious relationship. In contrast, Raffael was head over heels about Amanda. He came from a rich family and, as everyone is constantly pointing out, they couldn't keep their hands off each other. Why would Amanda be jealous of Meredith? The backbiting that Meredith displays toward Amanda suggests that the opposite is true.

I think the jealousy angle (from a British point of view) makes sense only in a British context. Class divisions are a source of great bitterness there. In Britain one must be aware of one's position in society. If a person from the lower class becomes successful he/she often will change his/her accent to appear as if they belonged in a higher class, like Eliza Doolittle. Meredith was not upper class, she was middle class. There is no evidence that Amanda had any awareness at all of these sociological complexities. All the evidence points to Amanda being supremely self confident about her likability and her ability to make friends. What kind of person approaches complete strangers and strikes up a friendship? Certainly not one with low self-esteem. Amanda was well known for doing this. In other words, she was extroverted.

 

[Desert Fox]

Vixen will basically say it doesn't have to make sense or be logical.
She'll compare Amanda and Raffaele to Joanna Denney and Gary Strech. But they don't compare to Amanda and Raffaele. Amanda and Raffaele both come from loving families, both had highly successful scholastic backgrounds. Joanna Dennehy was estranged from her family and left home when she was 15. She was crazy and bragged to everyone about her killings. Gary Stretch was a 7 foot 3 inch dropout and career burglar.

Nobody but Vixen would compare them to each other but a guilter like Vixen. What can you say?

And she would be right if there was any real evidence of Amanda and Raff's involvement. If Amanda left bloody fingerprints on the scene, we would likely not be arguing for her innocence.

 

[acbytesla]

And she would be right if there was any real evidence of Amanda and Raff's involvement. If Amanda left bloody fingerprints on the scene, we would likely not be arguing for her innocence.

IF. But they don't.

Vixen doesn't argue about the evidence. She doesn't go toe to toe with Chris Halides or Charlie about the DNA or the luminol. She calls Dr. Gill a liar. How can we discuss the case with someone who uses made up evidence by journalists as opposed to the actual events and court documents?

Still there is very little these cases have in common.

 

[Desert Fox]

IF. But they don't.

Vixen doesn't argue about the evidence. She doesn't go toe to toe with Chris Halides or Charlie about the DNA or the luminol. She calls Dr. Gill a liar. How can we discuss the case with someone who uses made up evidence by journalists as opposed to the actual events and court documents?

Still there is very little these cases have in common.

I have looked for a case with even a passing resemblance to what the prosecution argued Amanda and Raffaelle committed. I have yet to find anything remotely like it.

On the other hand, what Rudy Guede is suppose to have done has many parallels with crimes committed by other individuals. Burglars do become rapists (assuming that a rape occurred) and burglars will also kill people to keep them quiet.

 

[bagels]

The murder of Troy LaFerrara was a male and female pair thrill killing. But the male and female were married, they didn't know the victim, and they didn't invite a random black burglar to come rape the victim, although they should have since it would have helped them tremendously.

 

[Desert Fox]

The murder of Troy LaFerrara was a male and female pair thrill killing. But the male and female were married, they didn't know the victim, and they didn't invite a random black burglar to come rape the victim, although they should have since it would have helped them tremendously.

There have been a few husband and wife thrill killing examples but in all cases I know about, the couple long knew each other. Even if Amanda had a thrilling killing obsessions and so did Raffaele, they would have trouble between languages discussing the idea.

 

[acbytesla]

The murder of Troy LaFerrara was a male and female pair thrill killing. But the male and female were married, they didn't know the victim, and they didn't invite a random black burglar to come rape the victim, although they should have since it would have helped them tremendously.

There have been a few dozen male female killers through out history. Almost all with a few exceptions the male was the leader. But you simply can't find a scenario where the pair had known each other for such a short time. You also won't find a situation where the could barely communicate with each other.

Can you imagine the conversation if the two had planned to kill Meredith? It would have made the old Abbott and Costello routine about "who's on first" sounces boring.

Amanda: Raffaele, mI amore, would you help me kill Meredith.
Raffaele: You want me to bill Meredith? Bill her for what?
Amanda: No, kill her.
Raffaele: Oh, you want me to fill her. Fill her with what?

And so on.

 

[acbytesla]

I have looked for a case with even a passing resemblance to what the prosecution argued Amanda and Raffaelle committed. I have yet to find anything remotely like it.

On the other hand, what Rudy Guede is suppose to have done has many parallels with crimes committed by other individuals. Burglars do become rapists (assuming that a rape occurred) and burglars will also kill people to keep them quiet.

Even the burglar scenario is a little rare compared to most murders. But compared to the orgy murder between strangers is downright absolute astronomical.

 

[Desert Fox]

Even the burglar scenario is a little rare compared to most murders. But compared to the orgy murder between strangers is downright absolute astronomical.

I agree that it is rare but it is at least not unknown. When I first heard, in passing about the case, I though Amanda and Meredeth may have gotten into a fight and that it was a solid case. Those are reasonably common.