Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Kauffer]

Andrew Hodges is one sick mofo. There's talk of reporting him to the Alabama State Board of Medical Examiners. The man is a fraud.

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I have his book as a PDF that I can upload if anyone wants to see how deranged he is.

I saw that he's slated to be interviewed tonight on blogtalkradio.com. There are already interviews there with Lisa Wilson on her own and Leek and Wilson together.

 

[MichaelB]

I saw that he's slated to be interviewed tonight on blogtalkradio.com. There are already interviews there with Lisa Wilson on her own and Leek and Wilson together.

Did you listen Liz Houle interview them? My god that woman is boring. Her voice is terrible and no personality. She's also been writing little press releases on examiner advertising their "books" as well as the one by Hodges. She's like a hater activist working away in the background.

 

[Antony]

Vixen, Curatolo was obviously wrong if, as you wrote above, "he saw the forensic team entering the cottage the next morning in white suits when he looked over."

Kercher's murder was discovered at about 1:30 pm on Saturday, Nov. 2, 2007. Nobody in "bunny suits" was at the cottage that morning. If he said what you claim he said, Curatolo either mixes up a quiet Saturday morning at the cottage with a hectic Saturday afternoon or, if he is correct that what he witnessed occurred in the morning, then he is referring to the morning of Sunday Nov 3.

Unless you maintain that it was the morning following the night he swore he saw Knox and Sollecito standing for several hours in the cold while crowds of young revelers in masks were boarding disco buses (Halloween, Oct 31)? The morning after Halloween night was Friday, Nov. 1. The victim was still alive that morning; Rudi didn't break in until that evening.

Curatolo is a discredited witness whose testimony is unreliable (false). Prolonged use of heroin does bad things to memory, vision, and honesty.

That's entirely correct, except that 2 November 2007 was a Friday, not a Saturday. The rest of your reasoning pretty much destroys Curatolo's testimony and Vixen's faith in it.

 

[Strozzi]

That's entirely correct, except that 2 November 2007 was a Friday, not a Saturday. The rest of your reasoning pretty much destroys Curatolo's testimony and Vixen's faith in it.

Nov 2 was a Friday? That's what I get for listening to Curatolo!

 

[Bill Williams]

Have you considered the possibility that Giobbi was a secret FOA agent and said that he had ordered the parallel interrogations to help Amanda and Raffaele should their cases come before the ECHR?

I read somewhere that Giobbi was in a gay relationship with Mignini. Of course this is not true, but is presented here in the spirit of slow flooding the thread with untruths.

 

[Strozzi]

"I went to check Filomena’s room and I can state that it was in a total mess, the wardrobe was open with clothes on the floor, the window pane was broken with glass inside the room. From a first check made by my girlfriend, who arrived soon after, it turned out that nothing valuable had been taken (laptop computer, note-book computer, jewellery, camera, TV) but at first sight only make-up. I also saw a drawer open in Laura’s room, while MEREDITH’s room room [sic] was locked."

Ta da! Arrest him!

Also:

"Before today I had never stepped foot into the bedroom occupied by MEREDITH. I remember that before she arrived I opened it several times to show it to those who wanted to rent it."

What's the betting that Zaroli's DNA is part of the mixed sample on the clasp?

A woman fastening and unfastening her bra could transfer DNA of others from her fingertips to her bra clasp. It would be interesting if a forensic scientist were to conduct a test to determine how many other persons' DNA is transferred to a bra clasp over the course of wearing a bra one day, two days, three days, etc.

 

[Kauffer]

Did you listen Liz Houle interview them? My god that woman is boring. Her voice is terrible and no personality. She's also been writing little press releases on examiner advertising their "books" as well as the one by Hodges. She's like a hater activist working away in the background.

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I listened a bit... Gave up up after lots of innuendo and Wilson stating that Amanda was hanging out with and sleeping with a cocaine dealer.

They're all trying to make money off this - that's a huge incentive. There's no money in a burglary turned murder with the true crime buffs.

 

[Numbers]

Methos,

Thanks for pointing out the source of the quote. Is the decision to deny Amanda house arrest publicly available? Do we know if the decision actually states or clearly implies that the arrest was planned so as to take place before Amanda's mom arrived? Certainly the ECHR would be able to obtain it and evaluate the significance with respect to the Convention. This would be a clear sign that the official misconduct was planned and was actually accepted by a judicial official, Magistrate Matteini.

I think we can put this one to rest finally
Motivazioni-Matteini-denying-Knox-house-arrest-15-May-2008.pdf
Page 10:

Google Translated:
As regards, finally, the risk of flight, this is always present because it is considered that the girl's family lives in the United States and therefore there could be a very easy for it to leave our country; the fact that he has not done before the catch is irrelevant because, remember, the detention was very timely and implemented before it arrived in Italy the mother of Amanda in order precisely to avoid such situations.

So we finally have this statement's source.
Thus, Magistrate Matteini states that the arrest was motivated to prevent Amanda and her mother from making contact with Amanda as a free person.

While the context states that this involves the risk of flight, that makes no sense because Amanda could leave Italy on her own - she had arrived there without her mother and could depart there without her mother. Her mother was coming to provide support for her continued stay in Italy to study during this stressful time, according to Amanda's statements. Amanda's other support was Raffaele and her aunt in Germany.

I believe that the inference that the arrest was done before the arrival of Amanda's mother to prevent Amanda from getting a lawyer is reasonable and one the ECHR would see as a probable motivation for the interrogation and arrest on Nov. 5/6. Unless one assumes it was merely so that Giobbi (the "FOA secret agent") and his team of SCO officers could get back to Rome and out of the hick town of Perugia.

 

[Vixen]

Is this true? Or is this another falsity you have posted here? Were there any knife injuries on the back of the victim's hand?

The pathologists report indicated numerous superficial knife prick type injuries on Mez' hands, almost zero showing her gripping the blade, which would have been the case had her arms been free to fight back.

It indicates Mez being tortured and goaded at knife point before being mercilessly butchered by three druggies for evil fun, imagined slights by Amanda, Manga fantasy for Raf and anti-social personality disorder for Rudy.

You note Rudy did have several "grip blade" injuries.

 

[Vixen]

Massei didn't have the Conti-Vecchiotti evidence. Nencini made conclusions contrary to the C&V evidence and the Rome lab that tested the 36i sample.

When the Marasca motivation is published, this will be one of the reasons why the Nencini verdict was unnulled. It's no good your citing the Nencini decisions - his verdict no longer has any legal vailidity, and it never had any relationship with reality.

Wrong. Conti & Vecchiotti are in disgrace for perverting the course of justice. They were ordered by a court to test the DNA in question (i) and they declined without making a legal application to the court to do so, falsely claiming (a) it was potato starch, and (b) too low LCN.

The Rome laboratory demonstrated beyond doubt, it was not only testible, it was a clear DNA of Amanda. C&V attempted to pervert the course of justice with rogue judge Hellmann's complicity (and he wonders why his nickname amongst the judiciary is "Pontius Pilate").

Nencini's report was annulled because there was a bent element in the Cassazzione. Avv Bongiornio IMV perverted the course of justice by strategically diverting the case away from First Supreme Court.

The acquittal is a Mickey Mouse verdict by a Minnie Mouse court.

The motivation report will read like Donald Duck: a whole load of quackery.

 

[Vixen]

Well, no we don't, unless you can point to the passage in Lalli's report where he discusses that Kercher's hand was pricked with a knife.

Can you do that?

You understand now, don't you, that Raffaele heard about the knife DNA findings from TV whilst in prison?[/QUOTE]


ROFLMAOBAG Of course he did.

 

[Vixen]

The Rome scientific lab specifically stated that Stefanoni's single reading of the victim's DNA could not be relied upon.

Nencini went against this evidence. That will be one of the reasons given for annulling his conclusions.

You are factually wrong. You are conflating two different samples. The LCN sample near the knife point is Mez' at 15 points of the DNA, the legal standard being just 11. Both prosection and defense agree it is Mez' DNA. The identification of LCN was far less developed in 2008 than it was when Rome tested a different sample, near the top of the blade at the handle, which C&V without authority, refused to test.

ETA This was found to be the DNA of Amanda, and its position indicated the knife was gripped by Amanda in an grip by which the blade faced upwards, as Amanda plunged the knife downwards into Mez' neck, with an ugly sawing motion to cause a wound that seasoned detectives said was the most savage they had ever seen.

Conti & Vecchiotti attempted to pervert the course of justice IMV and I saw a photo of their labs forcibly closed down, apparently.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, Curatolo was obviously wrong if, as you wrote above, "he saw the forensic team entering the cottage the next morning in white suits when he looked over."

Kercher's murder was discovered at about 1:30 pm on Saturday, Nov. 2, 2007. Nobody in "bunny suits" was at the cottage that morning. If he said what you claim he said, Curatolo either mixes up a quiet Saturday morning at the cottage with a hectic Saturday afternoon or, if he is correct that what he witnessed occurred in the morning, then he is referring to the morning of Sunday Nov 3.

Unless you maintain that it was the morning following the night he swore he saw Knox and Sollecito standing for several hours in the cold while crowds of young revelers in masks were boarding disco buses (Halloween, Oct 31)? The morning after Halloween night was Friday, Nov. 1. The victim was still alive that morning; Rudi didn't break in until that evening.

Curatolo is a discredited witness whose testimony is unreliable (false). Prolonged use of heroin does bad things to memory, vision, and honesty.

Correction: next day, not next morning. A newspaper/flower kiosk seller corroborated Curatolo's alibi he was there when he said he was.

 

[Grinder]

Methos
Thanks for putting this to rest.
Google Translate;
"As regards, finally, the risk of flight, this is always present because it is considered that the girl's family lives in the United States and therefore there could be a very easy for it to leave our country; the fact that he has not done before the catch is irrelevant because, remember, the detention was very timely and implemented before it arrived in Italy the mother of Amanda in order precisely to avoid such situations."
So this is NOT an FOA Myth; the thugs were afraid of Edda.

Yes I appreciate Methos digging. It does prove that a judge mentioned it 6 months later.

 

[Numbers]

Yes I appreciate Methos digging. It does prove that a judge mentioned it 6 months later.

Grinder,
What do you believe motivated Magistrate Matteini to suggest that the arrest was timed to the arrival of Amanda's mother?

My new hypothesis it that like Giobbi, Matteini was an "FOA secret agent" trying to cast doubt on the validity of the arrests on Nov. 6, 2007.

 

[Antony]

delete

 

[MichaelB]

We have a photo of the lying bum sitting on his park bench around 3pm on November 2.

 

[Grinder]

Grinder,
What do you believe motivated Magistrate Matteini to suggest that the arrest was timed to the arrival of Amanda's mother?

My new hypothesis it that like Giobbi, Matteini was an "FOA secret agent" trying to cast doubt on the validity of the arrests on Nov. 6, 2007.

We still have the actual people involved with the exception of Giobbi not verifying the order. Matteini wasn't at the station AFAIK. Perhaps she was at an FOA meeting, oops not formed yet. We also know for a certainty that Mignini et al. were asking Matteini to hold Amanda.

Since you have recently be blessed with wildly creative mind perhaps you can figure out why Amanda being arrested because her mother was arriving would be mentioned in the hearing in May.

I don't see why, if true, the mother's arrival would have anything to do with denying house rest in May.

Maybe by May the FOA propaganda was already impacting the case including Matteini

Perhaps there are other truths in Matteini.

Methos where did you find it or how? Is the whole hearing available for cut and paste translating?

 

[Grinder]

Correction: next day, not next morning. A newspaper/flower kiosk seller corroborated Curatolo's alibi he was there when he said he was.

Alibi?

He corroborated that he was always there. What time did the kiosk close that night? How would the guy remember Curatolo being there that specific night since he didn't see anything?

 

[Bill Williams]

The pathologists report indicated numerous superficial knife prick type injuries on Mez' hands, almost zero showing her gripping the blade, which would have been the case had her arms been free to fight back.

It indicates Mez being tortured and goaded at knife point before being mercilessly butchered by three druggies for evil fun, imagined slights by Amanda, Manga fantasy for Raf and anti-social personality disorder for Rudy.
You note Rudy did have several "grip blade" injuries.

It indicates nothing of the sort. I wonder if you're aware that on Mar 27 the pair have been exonerated, and Rudy is still in prison?