Continuation Part 16: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Planigale]

It was accepted by the prosecution and the defence as Mez' indisputable DNA profile. It was within a microscopic scratch on the knife, not visible to the naked eye. Thus, despite having been thoroughly scrubbed to be strikingly shiny, when found by police, Mez' DNA spoke from beyond the grave.

Amanda precluded this finding by telling Mom she was really worried about the knife found at Raff's. Unknown to Raff, she confirmed to police Mez had never been at Raff's.

Raff wrote in a confiscated diary - also in an attempt to preclude the finding - that he had "pricked the back of Mez' hand" whilst cooking at his place.

Mez was found with many knife nicks, especially under the chin and on her hands.

Perhaps Amanda and Raff can foresee next week's lottery? No need for GoFundMe.

Is this true? Or is this another falsity you have posted here? Were there any knife injuries on the back of the victim's hand?

 

[Zephyrgeist]

I keep saying? How have I been selective?



It is very troubling that an admitted heroin addict that stated he was on it that night who knew with mathematical certainty that the disco buses were there with people in masks is believed by any court. No it is troubling that they would even allow him to testify. He didn't pick the kids out or an array. I doubt he could see 50 meters at night even off the smack.

Hey how'd you like the fact that the prosecution KNEW no buses were there in March of 2008 from Rudi's testimony?

Opiates constrict pupils, making it more difficult to see in the dark. Some police look for pin-point pupils when suspecting opiates. That, plus his reading glasses [Szarzo], which he [Toto] used while reading.

I actually think, like Mignini and Naseer, that Curatolo was the greatest witness.

He absolutely gives a 100% alibi to the kids. Case closed. Next!

 

[Antony]

Disagree.

Massei and Nencini accepted all the above evidence as proven.

Your saying otherwise does not make it so.

Massei didn't have the Conti-Vecchiotti evidence. Nencini made conclusions contrary to the C&V evidence and the Rome lab that tested the 36i sample.

When the Marasca motivation is published, this will be one of the reasons why the Nencini verdict was unnulled. It's no good your citing the Nencini decisions - his verdict no longer has any legal vailidity, and it never had any relationship with reality.

 

[Kauffer]

So there we have it a self serving explanation for actual injuries found on Mez' body by Lalli.

Well, no we don't, unless you can point to the passage in Lalli's report where he discusses that Kercher's hand was pricked with a knife.

Can you do that?

You understand now, don't you, that Raffaele heard about the knife DNA findings from TV whilst in prison?

 

[Kauffer]

Massei didn't have the Conti-Vecchiotti evidence. Nencini made conclusions contrary to the C&V evidence and the Rome lab that tested the 36i sample.

When the Marasca motivation is published, this will be one of the reasons why the Nencini verdict was unnulled. It's no good your citing the Nencini decisions - his verdict no longer has any legal vailidity, and it never had any relationship with reality.

This is a good point. We don't know how Massei's conclusions would have been different in the light of the CandV report, which he should have ordered himself. Following the abominations revealed by the defence with regard to Stefanoni's hiding of evidence, proved by the data dump, a worthy judge would have ordered a comprehensive re-analysis of the forensic evidence.

 

[Kauffer]

I read somewhere he's now freelance.

Dr Gill didn't see any of the evidence. He is a disgrace to his profession.

You stated that he had left his university position. You were wrong.

Background
Experience

Professor of Forensic genetics
Department of Forensic Genetic
January 2011 – Present (4 years 7 months)Norwegian Institute of Public Health, Oslo, Norway
Research Scientist working primarily on developing theory to interpret complex DNA profiles for forensic purposes
Professor of Forensic genetics
Oslo University
September 2008 – Present (6 years 11 months)University of Oslo, Norway
Principal research Scientist
Forensic Science Service
1982 – 2009 (27 years)Birmingham, United Kingdom

 

[Planigale]

The autopsy report IIRC states there were 147 injuries on Mez' body, 3 deep stab wounds in neck, 23 nicks and slashes, bruises and shoulder displacement from her arms wrenched backwards rendering loss of use in one arm.

This is untrue.
Can you post anything factual?
Your posts are almost entirely falsehoods. Even when the 'facts' you rely on for your conclusions are proven to be false you seem not able to reconsider your conclusions.

See for instance;
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Massei_Report_(English)
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luca_Lalli's_Testimony
There were not 147 injuries.
There were not 23 nicks and slashes.
There was no dislocated shoulder.

 

[Methos]

Methos,

Thanks for pointing out the source of the quote. Is the decision to deny Amanda house arrest publicly available? Do we know if the decision actually states or clearly implies that the arrest was planned so as to take place before Amanda's mom arrived? Certainly the ECHR would be able to obtain it and evaluate the significance with respect to the Convention. This would be a clear sign that the official misconduct was planned and was actually accepted by a judicial official, Magistrate Matteini.

I think we can put this one to rest finally
Motivazioni-Matteini-denying-Knox-house-arrest-15-May-2008.pdf
Page 10:

Per quanto attiene, infine, il pericolo di fuga, questo è sempre presente in quanto si consideri che la famiglia della ragazza vive negli Stati Uniti e quindi vi potrebbe essere una estrema facilità per la medesima di lasciare il nostro paese; la circostanza che non l’abbia fatto prima del fermo è del tutto irrilevante in quanto, si ricorda, il fermo è stato molto tempestivo ed attuato prima che arrivasse in Italia la madre di Amanda al fine proprio di evitare situazioni del genere.

 

[Kauffer]

Translations are tricky. Is the 'her' here Kercher or Knox? It would be possible for secondary transfer to occur of Kercher's DNA from Knox to the kniife.

If subject and object agree, then he is talking about Kercher.

But he cannot be referring to the knife retrieved from his kitchen. Kercher never visited Raffaele's flat in the very short time she knew him.

 

[Kauffer]

Marco Zaroli Statement 2-Nov-2007: http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Marco-Zaroli-Statement-2-Nov-2007.pdf

"I went to check Filomena’s room and I can state that it was in a total mess, the wardrobe was open with clothes on the floor, the window pane was broken with glass inside the room. From a first check made by my girlfriend, who arrived soon after, it turned out that nothing valuable had been taken (laptop computer, note-book computer, jewellery, camera, TV) but at first sight only make-up. I also saw a drawer open in Laura’s room, while MEREDITH’s room room [sic] was locked."

Ta da! Arrest him!

Also:

"Before today I had never stepped foot into the bedroom occupied by MEREDITH. I remember that before she arrived I opened it several times to show it to those who wanted to rent it."

What's the betting that Zaroli's DNA is part of the mixed sample on the clasp?

 

[analemma]

I think we can put this one to rest finally
Motivazioni-Matteini-denying-Knox-house-arrest-15-May-2008.pdf
Page 10:

Methos
Thanks for putting this to rest.
Google Translate;
"As regards, finally, the risk of flight, this is always present because it is considered that the girl's family lives in the United States and therefore there could be a very easy for it to leave our country; the fact that he has not done before the catch is irrelevant because, remember, the detention was very timely and implemented before it arrived in Italy the mother of Amanda in order precisely to avoid such situations."
So this is NOT an FOA Myth; the thugs were afraid of Edda.

 

[MichaelB]

Here's Kercher's cell phone log which was in the latest document dump on Ergon's fake wiki. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-co...redith-Kercher-cellphone-log-Oct-Nov-2007.pdf

It only covers though to 3.13pm on Nov 2 so we can't see how many times her father and sister attempted to contact her. They claimed to call non-stop once they heard.

It also doesn't show text messages either so we can't see Butterworth trying to get her book back like she claimed.

12.11pm is Filomena. Methos, do you know who 13.17 and 3.13pm is? Both from the same number.

 

[Antony]

A Rome scientific lab for a start.

The Rome scientific lab specifically stated that Stefanoni's single reading of the victim's DNA could not be relied upon.

Nencini went against this evidence. That will be one of the reasons given for annulling his conclusions.

 

[Methos]

Here's Kercher's cell phone log which was in the latest document dump on Ergon's fake wiki. http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-co...redith-Kercher-cellphone-log-Oct-Nov-2007.pdf

It only covers though to 3.13pm on Nov 2 so we can't see how many times her father and sister attempted to contact her. They claimed to call non-stop once they heard.

It also doesn't show text messages either so we can't see Butterworth trying to get her book back like she claimed.

12.11pm is Filomena. Methos, do you know who 13.17 and 3.13pm is? Both from the same number.

Robyn Butterworth +447853133067

 

[MichaelB]

Robyn Butterworth +447853133067

Ahh-ha! Thanks Methos.

 

[MichaelB]

"I went to check Filomena’s room and I can state that it was in a total mess, the wardrobe was open with clothes on the floor, the window pane was broken with glass inside the room. From a first check made by my girlfriend, who arrived soon after, it turned out that nothing valuable had been taken (laptop computer, note-book computer, jewellery, camera, TV) but at first sight only make-up. I also saw a drawer open in Laura’s room, while MEREDITH’s room room [sic] was locked."

Ta da! Arrest him!

Also:

"Before today I had never stepped foot into the bedroom occupied by MEREDITH. I remember that before she arrived I opened it several times to show it to those who wanted to rent it."

What's the betting that Zaroli's DNA is part of the mixed sample on the clasp?

There's 3 more to come: The two from Ricardo and Marco Marzan on November 3 about downstairs and then I think we're done. I'll see if I can get the 3 Hicham statements because he was the original suspect and it'd be interesting to see what they were asking him.

The other one I'd like to have is the Nov 4 police station intercept when they bugged the waiting room.

These are the new docs that were posted on the fake wiki:

On 2007 Investigations: Police work page
2007-11-03-Log-cellphone-KercherM-English.pdf
2007-11-03-Log-cellphone-Sollecito.pdf
2007-11-07-Log-landphone-Sollecito.pdf
2007-11-27-Police-deposition-Capezzali.pdf

On 2007 Investigations: Arrests page
2007-11-07-Prosecutor-notice-Request-to-validate-Arrest-Knox-Lumumba-Sollecito.pdf

On Arrest trials page
2008-01-21-Testimony-Bernaschi-Sollecito.pdf
2008-05-15-Motivazioni-Matteini-reconfirming-cautionary-arrest-Knox.pdf

On Arrest trials: KSL: Matteini trial page
2007-11-08-Testimony-Matteini-Knox.pdf

On Arrest trials: KS: Ricciarelli trial page
2007-11-30-Motivazioni-Ricciarelli-Arresto-Appello-Knox-Sollecito.pdf (forever missing Ricciarelli report)

On 2008 Investigations page
2008-11-08-Deposition-Monacchia.pdf

On Trials: Micheli court page
2008-09-16-Testimony-Summary-and-Rulings-Micheli.pdf (first Micheli hearing)
2008-10-27-Report-Fioravanti-Vodaphone.pdf

On Trials: KS: Massei and Cristiani trial page
2009-11-20-Closing-arguments-Mignini.pdf (forever missing)
2009-11-21-Closing-arguments-Comodi-Knox.pdf (forever missing- Comodi describes 3D reconstruction)

On Trials: KS: Hellmann and Zanetti trial page
2010-12-11-Testimony-Lawyers-Knox-Parisi-Maori-Ghirga-Vedova.pdf (missing Hellmann hearings)
2010-12-18-Testimony-Costagliola-Comodi-Perna.pdf
2011-01-22-Testimony-Lawyers.pdf
2011-03-12-Testimony-Mandarino-Pucciarini-Ciasullo-Bevilacqua-IniG-IniR.pdf
2011-03-26-Testimony-Brughini-Curatolo-Lucarelli.pdf
2011-05-21-Testimony-Napoleoni-Conti-Vecchiotti-Knox.pdf
2010-12-11-Court-doc-Zanetti-case-review.pdf

 

[MichaelB]

Andrew Hodges is one sick mofo. There's talk of reporting him to the Alabama State Board of Medical Examiners. The man is a fraud.

I have his book as a PDF that I can upload if anyone wants to see how deranged he is.

 

[Strozzi]

Mignini did apologise that not all witnesses would qualify for the Nobel prize.

You omitted to mention Curatolo correctly revealed he saw the forensic team entering the cottage next morning in white suits when he looked over.
Buses were not completely cancelled. So Cutatolo confudged Halloween partying buses. You say its OK for Raff to claim he and Amanda were at a party that night.

Vixen, Curatolo was obviously wrong if, as you wrote above, "he saw the forensic team entering the cottage the next morning in white suits when he looked over."

Kercher's murder was discovered at about 1:30 pm on Saturday, Nov. 2, 2007. Nobody in "bunny suits" was at the cottage that morning. If he said what you claim he said, Curatolo either mixes up a quiet Saturday morning at the cottage with a hectic Saturday afternoon or, if he is correct that what he witnessed occurred in the morning, then he is referring to the morning of Sunday Nov 3.

Unless you maintain that it was the morning following the night he swore he saw Knox and Sollecito standing for several hours in the cold while crowds of young revelers in masks were boarding disco buses (Halloween, Oct 31)? The morning after Halloween night was Friday, Nov. 1. The victim was still alive that morning; Rudi didn't break in until that evening.

Curatolo is a discredited witness whose testimony is unreliable (false). Prolonged use of heroin does bad things to memory, vision, and honesty.

 

[Kauffer]

There's 3 more to come: The two from Ricardo and Marco Marzan on November 3 about downstairs and then I think we're done. I'll see if I can get the 3 Hicham statements because he was the original suspect and it'd be interesting to see what they were asking him.

The other one I'd like to have is the Nov 4 police station intercept when they bugged the waiting room.

These are the new docs that were posted on the fake wiki:

On 2007 Investigations: Police work page
2007-11-03-Log-cellphone-KercherM-English.pdf
2007-11-03-Log-cellphone-Sollecito.pdf
2007-11-07-Log-landphone-Sollecito.pdf
2007-11-27-Police-deposition-Capezzali.pdf

On 2007 Investigations: Arrests page
2007-11-07-Prosecutor-notice-Request-to-validate-Arrest-Knox-Lumumba-Sollecito.pdf

On Arrest trials page
2008-01-21-Testimony-Bernaschi-Sollecito.pdf
2008-05-15-Motivazioni-Matteini-reconfirming-cautionary-arrest-Knox.pdf

On Arrest trials: KSL: Matteini trial page
2007-11-08-Testimony-Matteini-Knox.pdf

On Arrest trials: KS: Ricciarelli trial page
2007-11-30-Motivazioni-Ricciarelli-Arresto-Appello-Knox-Sollecito.pdf (forever missing Ricciarelli report)

On 2008 Investigations page
2008-11-08-Deposition-Monacchia.pdf

On Trials: Micheli court page
2008-09-16-Testimony-Summary-and-Rulings-Micheli.pdf (first Micheli hearing)
2008-10-27-Report-Fioravanti-Vodaphone.pdf

On Trials: KS: Massei and Cristiani trial page
2009-11-20-Closing-arguments-Mignini.pdf (forever missing)
2009-11-21-Closing-arguments-Comodi-Knox.pdf (forever missing- Comodi describes 3D reconstruction)

On Trials: KS: Hellmann and Zanetti trial page
2010-12-11-Testimony-Lawyers-Knox-Parisi-Maori-Ghirga-Vedova.pdf (missing Hellmann hearings)
2010-12-18-Testimony-Costagliola-Comodi-Perna.pdf
2011-01-22-Testimony-Lawyers.pdf
2011-03-12-Testimony-Mandarino-Pucciarini-Ciasullo-Bevilacqua-IniG-IniR.pdf
2011-03-26-Testimony-Brughini-Curatolo-Lucarelli.pdf
2011-05-21-Testimony-Napoleoni-Conti-Vecchiotti-Knox.pdf
2010-12-11-Court-doc-Zanetti-case-review.pdf

You've done a helluva job, Michael - a helluva job. Top work!

 

[Strozzi]

Andrew Hodges is one sick mofo. There's talk of reporting him to the Alabama State Board of Medical Examiners. The man is a fraud.

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I have his book as a PDF that I can upload if anyone wants to see how deranged he is.

Thank you for linking an excerpt of Andrew Hodges' account of the murder. I never heard before of the Vagina Dentate, a vagina with teeth that grabs and bites. So that's how the female controlled her two boy followers! I never knew that before.

I notice some similarities. Is there any indication that Andrew Hodges and Nick van der Leek had the same person edit their books?